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Mile High Mania 03-13-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9493735)
Denver might be the only place he still sees good production.

I don't know... I could see him doing well in BAL, DAL, NYG ... PIT.

notorious 03-13-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493740)
I don't know... I could see him doing well in BAL, DAL, NYG ... PIT.

Manning will know how to use him, and please don't take this the wrong way, but Welker fits Manning's armstrength a little better.

RyFo18 03-13-2013 01:57 PM

You're never going to stay ahead in this league by overpaying your best players in their declining years. Belichick knows this. That's why he'll continue the run of success for another decade.

Mile High Mania 03-13-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9493748)
Manning will know how to use him, and please don't take this the wrong way, but Welker fits Manning's armstrength a little better.

I still have a feeling this is going to turn out with Wes resigning with NE when it's all said and done. Honestly, if NE loses Welker - I think they're f'ed... what else do they have as a threat outside of the TEs?

Amnorix 03-13-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493449)
Well, when you catch 110+ catches in 5 of the last 6 seasons - that means your targets are incredibly high and you're going to drop a few.

I say go for it... sign him up, bring him to Denver and lets rock.


I'm a big, huge fan of Welker, but he has seen his drops go up exponentially the last couple years, including in key, key situations.

I want him back, but I understand not giving him Megatron type money. I think his league-wide utility isn't as great as an elite #1 WR, as he needs a highly accurate QB to take advantage of his skill-set, but Manning is definitely a guy who could make use of his skills as well as anybody, so his value to the Broncos is higher than it is to many teams and, of course, it weakens another top AFC contender.

MMXcalibur 03-13-2013 02:04 PM

**** you, Denver.

notorious 03-13-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493755)
I still have a feeling this is going to turn out with Wes resigning with NE when it's all said and done. Honestly, if NE loses Welker - I think they're f'ed... what else do they have as a threat outside of the TEs?

Everybody knows this, too.


We watched KC go down because of an asshat from NE with a huge ego. Maybe Billichick thinks he is smart enough to cover that hole.


I hope he tries.....

Mile High Mania 03-13-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 9493766)
I'm a big, huge fan of Welker, but he has seen his drops go up exponentially the last couple years, including in key, key situations.

I want him back, but I understand not giving him Megatron type money. I think his league-wide utility isn't as great as an elite #1 WR, as he needs a highly accurate QB to take advantage of his skill-set, but Manning is definitely a guy who could make use of his skills as well as anybody, so his value to the Broncos is higher than it is to many teams and, of course, it weakens another top AFC contender.

Everyone points to the drops and I get it... but, again when you're one of the most targeted in the league, that's something you just accept with the overall production being what it has been. Welker has been extremely critical to NE's success - you don't just replace him with most FA options. Not when their only other legit threats are TEs.

Mi_chief_fan 03-13-2013 02:08 PM

I honestly think NE has better options than Welker, assuming Gronkowski & Hernandez are healthy (Tavon Austin?).

Amnorix 03-13-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493776)
Everyone points to the drops and I get it... but, again when you're one of the most targeted in the league, that's something you just accept with the overall production being what it has been. Welker has been extremely critical to NE's success - you don't just replace him with most FA options. Not when their only other legit threats are TEs.


Frankly last year we had two legitimate pass-catching threats -- Wes and whichever TE was healthy in any given week, because Hernandez and Gronk played, I think, precisely one full game together. Assuming they can stay healthy, then losing Wes means we're still at 2.

In all honesty, we need a Z more than we need Welker back. A legitimate, outside the hash marks WR would make this offense go better than another guy who does the middle of the field, because AH and Gronk can cover that area just fine.

Ultimtely, I don't know how much money Welker wants. If he's thinking $10MM per year for four or five years then, yeah, I can't really see paying that.

I'm sure Brady isn't going to be happy to lose him though. Wes is one of his best friends on the team. His work ethic and toughness are also very hard to match.

Mile High Mania 03-13-2013 02:10 PM

In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.

silver5liter 03-13-2013 02:13 PM

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Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

RT @MikeGiardi: A source close to the situation telling me that Welker has gone back to the Patriots to see if they'll match the offer
called it

Mi_chief_fan 03-13-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493800)
In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.

They are, no doubt, and I'm not gonna hate on him, he's a good player; I guess that I just think that Welker can be more easily replaced than either of their tight ends.

Amnorix 03-13-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9493800)
In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.


Ultimately, he's replaceable ASSUMING the TEs stay healthy. Edelman can give us 60% or so of Welker, the two TEs being healthy can give us more (they will be targetted more) and having a better Z will help quite a bit also.

You also can't assume that he will be as productive the next two years as he was the last two years. He's the wrong side of 30. At some point, production drops, and usually dramatically. I doubt, knowing Welker, that that happens immediately or anything, but again, if he wants 4-5 years at $10 per, then that's a pretty big problem.

Mi_chief_fan 03-13-2013 02:15 PM

Oh, and I guess I should also say, nice pickup, assuming he signs with Denver. He's WAY better than Stokley.


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