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O.city 09-24-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10016300)
Because Kendrick Lewis has shown the unique ability to get injured on fluke plays and miss stretches of games at a time.

My hope is that Sanders Commings comes off of short term IR and steals the starting spot.

Also, two tight end sets with competent players would be preferable to one guy off the streets.

Yes, but were pretty set at safety it seems.


Agree with the te though.

Eleazar 09-24-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10016269)
There's been absolutely nothing so far to show that he has that sort of potential. Not even really any dominating flashes so far.

Just a bunch of 'meh' mixed in with a healthy does of 'WTF' and 'shit'.

The book isn't written by any means; but there is no data to show that sort of optimism at this point.

Really dude. He's played 3 games.

He didn't come into the draft being touted as Orlando Pace. He was a high ceiling project, an ascending player who it is hoped would develop into a top player a la Joe Staley, who came out of the same school.

Fisher was not even really a reach because he was the top player in the draft at a premium position. It wasn't like teams had him graded as a second round pick and we grabbed him a full round too early. He was a no-doubt top 10 pick.

I don't understand people holding him to this standard that makes no sense, that he should make the pro bowl this year or whatever, just because of where he was drafted. He can't help that. He's the same man whether he was drafted at #1 or #10 or anywhere else.

DaneMcCloud 09-24-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10016314)
I've been saying exactly what Reid was quoted in the article-- a full offseason in the NFL training program will likely do wonders for Fisher.

It's still bullshit, though, that the #1 overall pick would need a full year in the weight room and work on his technique before he's even adequate.

I'm really tired of that excuse and we've heard it about Dorsey and Jackson, two other Top Five picks.

If the guy can't play at a high level immediately, don't draft him.

And from the looks of it, Kyle Long is playing quite well. What's his excuse?

DaneMcCloud 09-24-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016330)
Really dude. He's played 3 games.

He didn't come into the draft being touted as Orlando Pace. He was a high ceiling project, an ascending player who it is hoped would develop into a top player a la Joe Staley, who came out of the same school.

The difference being that Staley was like #26 overall, not #1.

Ace Gunner 09-24-2013 05:55 PM

looking at Fisher's style in college, he's a mauler in pass protection -- he's that LT guy that, once he gets his hands on you, he's got control of you and he does it the way refs like. But his techniques in getting to a guy aren't good -- he has no hand techniques for that initial contact and he plays too high, needs to bend the knees and get better lateral quickness.

RealSNR 09-24-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016330)
Really dude. He's played 3 games.

He didn't come into the draft being touted as Orlando Pace. He was a high ceiling project, an ascending player who it is hoped would develop into a top player a la Joe Staley, who came out of the same school.

Fisher was not even really a reach because he was the top player in the draft at a premium position. It wasn't like teams had him graded as a second round pick and we grabbed him a full round too early. He was a no-doubt top 10 pick.

I don't understand people holding him to this standard that makes no sense, that he should make the pro bowl this year or whatever, just because of where he was drafted. He can't help that. He's the same man whether he was drafted at #1 or #10 or anywhere else.

We're not blaming Fisher. We're blaming Dorsey.

He and Reid's mantra in pre-draft interviews this offseason was, "the most important thing about the #1 pick is that you get it right."

Like Dane said, if Fisher needs all this time to become the great player he's supposed to be, then it wasn't worth it. Not at #1 overall. Pick another player with just as high of a ceiling and a propensity for immediately playing well. THERE'S your best player in the draft.

Coogs 09-24-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10016269)
There's been absolutely nothing so far to show that he has that sort of potential. Not even really any dominating flashes so far.

Just a bunch of 'meh' mixed in with a healthy does of 'WTF' and 'shit'.

The book isn't written by any means; but there is no data to show that sort of optimism at this point.

There is this...

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Fisher still managed to make a few impressive plays Thursday. He had a textbook reach block that sprung running back Jamaal Charles for a 3-yard score in the second half, and also drove a linebacker 12 yards downfield on another second-half run.

“There’s definitely different things you see in there that give you hope,” Schwartz said. “Really, some of his issues have been pass blocking and that just comes with time, knowing space, knowing angles, stuff like that. There’s no worry … we’re 3-0.”
And his teammates don't seem to be pushing the panic button.

BossChief 09-24-2013 06:02 PM

The line is not only trying to develop chemistry, but are also adjusting to the new blocking scheme.

They should start to come together over the next 4-8 games.

philfree 09-24-2013 06:07 PM

I just sense that there are some fans who want Fisher to fail so they can say I told you so. At this point I'm pulling for every player on this team to take a step. If that happens this week the Chiefs will be 4-0. C'mon Fish, get your shit together!

Hammock Parties 09-24-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10016364)
I just sense that there are some fans who want Fisher to fell so they can say I told you so. At this point I'm pulling for every player on tis team to take a step. If that happens this week the Chiefs will be 4-0. C'mon Fish, get your shit together!

No. I want Fisher to be a badass. Unfortunately he sucks right now and I am going to be pigheaded about it because I wanted Geno in the 1st and it looks like I was right.

This fanbase needs to get it through their thick skulls: take a QB in the 1st.

DaneMcCloud 09-24-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10016364)
At this point I'm pulling for every player on this team to take a step. If that happens this week the Chiefs will be 4-0. C'mon Fish, get your shit together!

I would expect to see Fisher play better on Sunday, due to the ten day break and expect a another leap after the Bye week.

We shall see...

the Talking Can 09-24-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10016245)
Albert had Brian Waters on one side and TE Brad Cottam on the outside helping him almost every ****ing snap of his rookie season with the Chiefs.

why do folks keep forgetting this.

Also, it's a changed league now, where the RT is seeing players that are pretty fast and beastly -- like, say, Justin ****ing Houston & JJ Watt.

albert was excellent his rookie season...sorry it bothers you

Fisher has already ****ed up more in 3 games than albert did in a season...again, I get it, we have to pretend we're excited about using the #1 pick in the draft on the worst RT in the league...i mean, you do, I don't

but some day he'll be the 8th best RT, and then the #1 pick will totally be worth it...because that's how 'safe' picks work

it's a tangent, and I know our draft class will improve...but jesus, right now our draft picks are a complete ****ing worthless pile of shit...

Hammock Parties 09-24-2013 06:21 PM

If Geno Smith or EJ Manuel are even simply above average QBs for 10 years, the Fisher pick is brutally bad, provided Alex Smith checkdowns his way into playoff losses.

the Talking Can 09-24-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10016205)
Lotuleili is playing well, as is Vacarro.

Vacarro and Berry would have been sick.

And Poe-Richardson and/or Poe-Lotuleili wouldn't be too far behind.

throw in DeAndre Hopkins, or hell even Eifert...i won't even start a fight by pointing out how much better Geno Smith is than Fisher...holy shit, talk about value picks

beach tribe 09-24-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10016314)
What Pablo said- it isn't like that argument never gets flipped around.

Oh, and there's that other thing. Where Geno Smith is a ****ing QB and Eric Fisher is not. The learning curve is astoundingly higher for the QB than the RT.

And no, before you accuse me of calling Eric Fisher a bust, he's not a bust yet. He's still got time to turn this shit around. I've been saying exactly what Reid was quoted in the article-- a full offseason in the NFL training program will likely do wonders for Fisher.

If he's still sucking wastewater at this time next year though, THEN we have a problem.

Yup.


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