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DJ's left nut 11-14-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186798)
It was deceptive as an indicator that he was throwing the ball down the field.

That's typically what people believe when they see a high YPA.

Milkman and I both regard YPC as a statistic that's far more indicative of what a QB is doing on the field.

Thank you, come again.

Says who? Who here has suggested that YPA is some outstanding metric of downfield passing? Your reasoning is wholly circular. "YPC is the key element to winning"...and now you're conceding that it only shows if someone is passing downfield well. Again, how does that prove your premise that downfield passing is the most critical component to winning?

And hey, if milkman, whos been crushing Smith from the start believes it, it must be true. Today may be the worst appeal to authority one ever seen

ChiefsCountry 11-14-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10186814)
Having seen both Asamoah and Allen play in college, it's difficult to see them struggle so much. They were both excellent college players. Of course, Allen isn't playing his more natural position...

Asamoah in college looked like he should be a 10 year starting vet in the NFL with All-Pro potential.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MileHighFish (Post 10186823)
I hope not but that's what I have been hearing. Know it's just talk at this point but would make some sense depending on how much pressure KC is able to put on Manning. Denver won't sacrifice Manning's health for a couple 8 yard slant routes. It will be interesting to see what they do as I believe they (Denver) has to be throwing a few wrinkles into the offense this week to slow the KC pass rush. Maybe it will be "ground and pound"?:D

They'll definitely mix things up with some looks that we haven't seen really since the beginning of the season and some new ones. That's what I like about the play calling. But again, Welker won't have a reduced role.

I think they keep Moreno and someone else back there to pass protect with Thomas, Thomas, Decker and Welker set up to work their magic.

Tough to cover, esp with Moreno dropping down for the quick dump pass in case of emergency. They'll have plenty of variations to work with on Sunday night.

They try to set the tone with the ground game, but their bread is buttered with the options in that passing attack. Not to mention, all the cheating and picking... how can they be stopped?

Marcellus 11-14-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10186824)
Says who? Who here has suggested that YPA is some outstanding metric of downfield passing? Your reasoning is wholly circular. "YPC is the key element to winning"...and now you're conceding that it only shows if someone is passing downfield well. Again, how does that prove your premise that downfield passing is the most critical component to winning?

And hey, if milkman, whos been crushing Smith from the start believes it, it must be true. Today may be the worst appeal to authority one ever seen

He uses whatever he thinks fits his narrative, its that simple.

First off YPC are not more important than YPA. Anyone who believes that is ****ing stupid. If you gain the most yards you can per attempt that is the entire point of passing the damn ball.

Secondly something that Clay continually ignores (because it ignores his narrative) is Smith's struggles are actually more to do with his issues on short passes at the 10 yard area. 3 of 4 INT's have happened on passes 10 yards or less and he is only completing at 60% rate. 3 TD's 3 INt's.

His rating is highest on passes 11-20 yards down field and he has a 3-1 TD ratio.

I would argue his short passing needs more work than his deep passing. But that would imply Clay is ****ing clueless.

loochy 11-14-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10186873)
is Smith's struggles are actually more to do with his issues on short passes at the 10 yard area. 3 of 4 INT's have happened on passes 10 yards or less and he is only completing at 60% rate. 3 TD's 3 INt's.

That's because that's pretty much all he throws!
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10186873)
His rating is highest on passes 11-20 yards down field and he has a 3-1 TD ratio.

that's only because he throws those if a dude is wide wide wide wide wide wide open...sometimes maybe

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10186818)
They both serve my purpose.

Alex sucks in almost every way.

You suck in almost every way

duncan_idaho 11-14-2013 01:31 PM

I'm still trying to get my head around why people think the Chiefs will be able to run with ease on Denver.

The Broncos have a very good run defense. The Chiefs have a slightly-better-than-mediocre run offense (by a very thin margin, heavily propped by Alex Smith's rushing stats).

Alex Smith is going to have to make plays in this game for the Chiefs to score enough to be in it. Some of those can be with his legs, but he's going to be much more aggressive about making plays than he has been for most of this season.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10186993)
I'm still trying to get my head around why people think the Chiefs will be able to run with ease on Denver.

Homers will be homers.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10186926)
You suck in almost every way

Relevant post, Mr. Raisin.

Marcellus 11-14-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10186993)
I'm still trying to get my head around why people think the Chiefs will be able to run with ease on Denver.

The Broncos have a very good run defense. The Chiefs have a slightly-better-than-mediocre run offense (by a very thin margin, heavily propped by Alex Smith's rushing stats).

Alex Smith is going to have to make plays in this game for the Chiefs to score enough to be in it. Some of those can be with his legs, but he's going to be much more aggressive about making plays than he has been for most of this season.


Denver has played 3 teams with a decent rushing offense. The Eagles put 166 yards on them (40 by Vick which sounds familiar), the Redskins ran for over 100 without anything from RGII and they kept the Raiders in check.

Denver has given up 9 rushing TD's, KC has given up 2.

There are different influences in all these things obviously but something tells me their rush defense isn't as good as the stats look just like I don't think ours is as bad as it looks on the surface.

Molitoth 11-14-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10187085)
Denver has played 1 team with a decent rushing offense. The Eagles put 166 yards on them. (40 by Vick). Sounds familiar.

Washington's RB's went over 100 on them.

Their rush defense is in part due to who they have played.

So basically the same logic used in the statements that say the chiefs are only a product of who they have played.... bad teams and backup QB's. :)

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187073)
Relevant post, Mr. Raisin.

It's more relevant than the ****ing False Narrative and negative, cherry-picking bullshit you've been spreading in this forum for much of 2013.

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10186993)
Alex Smith is going to have to make plays in this game for the Chiefs to score enough to be in it. Some of those can be with his legs, but he's going to be much more aggressive about making plays than he has been for most of this season.

Considering that the Colts and the Chargers run the same exact Rex Ryan inspired 3-4 defense with far less talent, the Broncos will need to be far more careful with the ball. That alone will make for a much lower scoring game than usual for the Broncos.

The Colts shut down Manning in the first half of their contest and the Chargers just shut him out in the second half. The Chiefs have the blueprint, scheme and players to limit their scoring opportunities.

I don't expect Smith to make huge, big chunk plays in snow and 20 degree weather. I expect to see the same plodding and methodical offense we've seen over the course of the first nine games.

Expecting them to open up the offense, on the road, at night, in 20 degree weather, is folly.

booger 11-14-2013 02:15 PM

Pam Oliver's Foreskin..........do it mods

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10187126)
Considering that the Colts and the Chargers run the same exact Rex Ryan inspired 3-4 defense with far less talent, the Broncos will need to be far more careful with the ball. That alone will make for a much lower scoring game than usual for the Broncos.

The Colts shut down Manning in the first half of their contest and the Chargers just shut him out in the second half. The Chiefs have the blueprint, scheme and players to limit their scoring opportunities.

I don't expect Smith to make huge, big chunk plays in snow and 20 degree weather. I expect to see the same plodding and methodical offense we've seen over the course of the first nine games.

Expecting them to open up the offense, on the road, at night, in 20 degree weather, is folly.

:cuss: WTF?

You have the blueprint... (vader voice) "Nooooooooooooooooooo"

KC's offense is pretty spare to fair on the road this season. Denver's "blueprint" for KC, contain Charles while forcing Smith to be a QB. Then offensively, keep Manning upright.


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