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The Franchise 12-16-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284094)
Based on the Schaub and Alex trades I think he'll bring back 2 2nds.

lolwut?

Cousins won't bring one 2nd round pick....let alone two 2nd round picks.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10283956)
It's kind of funny that Kaepernick has mostly avoided this type of scrutiny although he's actually half black himself. I wonder if he looked more "black" would he experience something similar?

He started playing better. The rumblings about tattoos and immaturity started early on in the season. When he started playing well and they started winning, the whispers disappeared.

Like I said, this isn't straight up racism; had RGIII kept playing well we wouldn't have heard this. I just find it a little unsettling that most of the time a young, black QB starts to struggle, the immediate issue becomes one a 'diva' attitude and an unwillingness to lead. There have been loads of shitty QBs in this league and they didn't take these arrows. Someone mentioned Cutler - he wasn't getting blasted as a lousy leader until a little later in his career; his early struggles were simply the struggles of a young QB.

Others have mentioned Geno - the difference between those 2 is that the "Geno is a shitty leader" narrative has been largely played out; it was the focus of the draft leadup. And with Geno, there is actually some track record to suggest that Geno was a mediocre/poor leader in his years at WVU. Those were surfacing even when he was playing well.

Every single report around RGIII from college through last season was what a great person and leader he was. Suddenly when he's struggling it's not growing pains, it's a lack of personal character and accountability despite 5+ years of high level football that suggest otherwise.

That should make one take pause.

The Franchise 12-16-2013 01:48 PM

Anyone calling RG3 a bust already is a ****ing moron.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 10284093)
Irvin has a future as the next Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton once an opening is available.

If RGIII is under any special scrutiny, by the media or anyone else, it might be because they crapped themselves over how great this guy was going to be.

And that's certainly a fair possibility. Members of the media are often hypercritical of guys they once fawned over; it's almost as though they're bitter about being made look a fool. It could also be overcompensating. Guys like Rick Riley, Tom Jackson and Bob Costas are the worst about this sort of thing; the bloviating asswipes that feel 'betrayed'. The PED stuff was the worst display of that you'll ever see.

Maybe there is something to the media types overcompensating for 'buying in' to the RGIII legend in 2012. Like I said, there may be some other explanations for it. But it's worth having the conversation - dismissing it out of hand is willfully ignorant. It suggests that RGIII's struggles have been treated the same as any other young QBs and I simply don't see how you can view what's gone on and believe that to be true.

I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.

BigCatDaddy 12-16-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284100)
lolwut?

Cousins won't bring one 2nd round pick....let alone two 2nd round picks.

I disgree, but we'll see. I think it's lock they are showcasing him and he gets traded this off season.

The Franchise 12-16-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284111)
I disgree, but we'll see. I think it's lock they are showcasing him and he gets traded this off season.

Oh I fully expect them to try and trade him this offseason. I just don't see him fetching two 2nd round picks.

BigCatDaddy 12-16-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284107)
Anyone calling RG3 a bust already is a ****ing moron.

Most fans these days expect a QB to be an all-pro in week 1. It's crazy.

BigCatDaddy 12-16-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10284119)
Oh I fully expect them to try and trade him this offseason. I just don't see him fetching two 2nd round picks.

I think he is similar to Schaub when he was traded from Atlanta so I'm basing it more off of that haul.

Anything much less than a 2nd and change they'll just keep him.

seaofred 12-16-2013 01:55 PM

Didn't Irvin get fired from ESPN for saying. Romo had to have some "brother" in him? Back when Romo would run around and make a play? Irvin has a history of being a racist and a race baiter. He is trash and can not be taken serious.

The Franchise 12-16-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284126)
I think he is simialr to Schaub when he was traded from Atlanta so I'm basing it more off of that haul.

What's going to be interesting to watch is how divided that fan base is going to be this offseason. You know there is going to be a good number of Redskins fans that want Cousins as their QB and RG3 to be traded.

HonestChieffan 12-16-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10284073)
Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.

Shut your racist mouth

fan4ever 12-16-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284110)
I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.

Neither can I, and I appreciate your well expressed opinion, but it's been my experience that the opposite is true; that criticism by the media towards minorities is often restricted for fear of exactly what they're being accused of now, and that's racism.

As for the QB, he's having a poor year, his team is losing, and that gets anyone criticized...I don't really see him receiving any more...my God, look how they're about to lynch Romo today. Sure, he still has his job, but they're also still in the hunt for the playoffs...otherwise?

fan4ever 12-16-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 10284128)
Didn't Irvin get fired from ESPN for saying. Romo had to have some "brother" in him? Back when Romo would run around and make a play? Irvin has a history of being a racist and a race baiter. He is trash and can not be taken serious.

This is what he said.

Michael Irvin on the Dan Patrick show said: "He (Tony Romo) doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."

Bwana 12-16-2013 02:23 PM

Irvin is a dumbass.

Kiimo 12-16-2013 02:49 PM

Michael Irvin was great at catching footballs despite being a cokehead freakout so of course he's qualified to give his opinion nationally.

There's nothing like hookers and blow to legitimize your opinion. Before you call me racist I don't want to hear Charlie Sheen's opinion either.


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