I prefer a franchise game manager

Cassel is garbage. A guy that turns the ball over enough to lead to a 2-14 season is not a game manager.

I somewhat agree with you about the aggressiveness comment but to me, Dalton and Ryan are only aggressive because the weapons they have on the outside. They're still managing the game in the sense that the system is designed to get the ball to those playmakers.

Was Trent Green a game manager? I say yes. Go!

Yeah, I think he was.

Matt Ryan lost the elite talent he had at the skill positions and still had his second best statistical year of his career.

With Julio Jones and Roddy White at WR:

4700 yards 32tds 68%comp

Without Julio Jones, and a banged up Roddy White (they also lost Sam Baker to ir and Tyson Clabo to FA)

4500yars 26tds 67%comp

No way is he a game manager. The difference in the win loss column can be directly attributed to his defense being a steaming bag of crap because they let some important pieces walk (John Abraham and Brent Grimes) while losing a bunch of other guys to injury like Sean Wetherspoon

pretty much. He was very robotic. everything had to be perfect for him. the line, the timing, Alex Smith is athletic enough to improvise. That makes him better IMO.

Just goes to show how much statistics really interpret to wins IE Matt Ryan.

I'm starting to wonder if there is a correlation between game manager and the coach/system they are in.

Look at Andy Reid's history. In his system, with what he asks the QB to do, he's never really had a "game manager", where as if you look at someone like Marty, or Cowher, the system they believed in seemed to be about minimizing the damage a QB could do if things went haywire.

ABSOLUTELY.

Watch him play. He's a game manager. He does not elevate his play or the play of those around him when the game is on the line.

Go look at the difference in the defensive statistics.

In 2012, they had the 5th best scoring defense in the NFL...last year they were 27th.

Going from giving up less than 300 points to giving up almost 450 is why that team lost so many games.

Look at Alex Smith for example in Reid vs Harbaugh.

I don't think it's any coincidence that most game managers happen to be the QB's of teams with a defensive minded HC.

I tend to think of Matt Ryan as not as much a game manager by coach/system etc, but more because of his physical skillset and mindset.

Im starting to think turnovers are more predictive QB stat than any other. Or more so, TD/TO stats.

If you are basing that strictly on 2013, sure you might have a partially valid point. If you are basing that on his whole body of work, I completely disagree.

Ryan has 25 game winning drives. That's the most of any quarterback in the NFL since 2008. I'd say he ABSOLUTELY raises the level of play of those around him when the game is on the line.

The year he didn't have his stable of talent around him, he looked worse. I'd say thats game manager.