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OldSchool 03-11-2014 08:41 AM

I think that more than ever now, we're going to have to go OL in the 1st again, lol. A starting quality OL player as a rookie won't be available in the 3rd round with all of these OL needy teams out there likely to reach for them in the 2nd-3rd, certainly not any potential swing guys like Bitonio, Thomas, Turner, etc.

KCUnited 03-11-2014 08:49 AM

Ah, the signs of spring in KC. Birds chirping in the morn, time springing forward, Rock Fest ticket pre-sale, talk of spending our first on a lineman...

OldSchool 03-11-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10479608)
Ah, the signs of spring in KC. Birds chirping in the morn, time springing forward, Rock Fest ticket pre-sale, talk of spending our first on a lineman...

Considering what guys like Asamoah and Schwartz are reportedly signing for, I don't think a "cheap vet starter" will be out there.

RunKC 03-11-2014 09:10 AM

Hats off to Dorsey. Literally every one of our major FA's are getting vastly overpaid and Dorsey isn't doing it.
No way would I overpay for any of those guys. Reports are that Schwartz is going to get more than Asamoah, who got $4.5 million a year.
Ridiculous.

Dorsey has proven he can get the same quality of player for far less.

The Franchise 03-11-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10479651)
Hats off to Dorsey. Literally every one of our major FA's are getting vastly overpaid and Dorsey isn't doing it.
No way would I overpay for any of those guys. Reports are that Schwartz is going to get more than Asamoah, who got $4.5 million a year.
Ridiculous.

Dorsey has proven he can get the same quality of player for far less.

Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a ****ing starter. It's that simple.

TEX 03-11-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10479655)
Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a ****ing starter. It's that simple.

I totally agree. Especially if you find one who played his way into that role. I'd have no problem paying and keeping Schwartz. I would have a problem paying a guy like Asamoah. You need to be able to detect what type of player you're paying, but you definitely need to pay and keep the good ones and balance that with letting the guys go who are not ascending and / or in your view will never reach their potential.

RunKC 03-11-2014 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10479655)
Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a ****ing starter. It's that simple.

Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a ****ing journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has seen in over a decade.

Chill the **** out and let's see who he replaces them with first.

The Franchise 03-11-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10479667)
Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a ****ing journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has see. In over a decade.

Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

jd1020 03-11-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10479674)
Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

kcchiefsus 03-11-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10479667)
Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a ****ing journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has seen in over a decade.

Chill the **** out and let's see who he replaces them with first.

The problem is now we're put into a situation to where we have no choice but to spend our first round pick on a shitty ****ing guard. Meanwhile, Donnie Avery and Dwayne Bowe keep not getting open and/or dropping passes and whatever piece of shit journeyman we sign at free safety will likely fail to be a huge upgrade over Kendrick Lewis.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see this team re-sign Kendrick Lewis.

kcchiefsus 03-11-2014 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10479681)
But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

wide receiver, cornerback, safety, tight end...

We have numerous other holes and John Dorsey decided adding offensive line to the list was a good idea.

OldSchool 03-11-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10479681)
But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

Zach Martin.:hmmm:

The Franchise 03-11-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10479681)
But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

D-line man. How long have you been around?

mcaj22 03-11-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10479674)
Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

This happened a few years ago with Wade Smith. He was a FA, everyone knew he was a decent starter and he walked to Houston. Rest is history. Schwartz is kind of similar to Wade, journeyman, play multiple positions, etc

htismaqe 03-11-2014 09:30 AM

I can't wait until the Chiefs take a guard in the 1st.


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