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Mr. Laz 04-22-2014 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10577652)
No, the sad thing is when non "true fans" spend 5 years bagging on the low importance of an o-line, then are the first to lead the charge on how ****ed we are because we're not focusing enough on it.
:clap:

Saccopoo 04-22-2014 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10577994)
It's a problem because it removes context from the other positions. Just as you're spending $2 million per year to get this bargain guard, you could also potentially be spending $2 million per year to get Hali's replacement, a dynamic WR opposite Bowe, a true ILB that does way more than bite the ear off Matt Schaub, or a fantastic TE that would really make Alex a happy QB.

Those are all far bigger bargains than getting that magic guard.
I'm just pointing out that there are apparently many people who didn't see a problem with paying Schwartz $4+ million per year - a guy who is on his fourth team in four years, virtually defining the term "journeyman."

To get what many people believe as the best guard prospect since DeCastro and a potential All-Pro level performer at the position at $2 million per seems like a freaking bargain.

The only problem is that these same people don't want to spend a first round draft pick on that guy. They are happy to spend $3 million more on a journeyman player but don't want a superior prospect because it's a hypothetical waste of a first round selection. "I'm happy spending $5 million per on an average player, but **** NO!!!1!11!, I don't want to spend $2 million on a potential All-Pro level player at the same position because it means that I have to use a first round draft pick to do it."

That seems asinine to me.

the Talking Can 04-22-2014 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10578055)
Is drafting the best guard in the draft at the #23 position stupid? Especially when it's a position of need?

And because of the incredible depth of the wide receiver position in this draft, the Chiefs could potentially get a borderline first round talent at the WR position with their third round pick. Guys like Devin Street, Mike Davis, Kevin Norwood, Robert Herron, Jared Abbrederis, Josh Huff, etc., are all very solid receiver prospects. (Devin Street, at least to me and from a measurables perspective, is as good as any of the guys who are being bandied about as potential first rounders.)

That #23 spot rookie receiver coming in is going to initially be a #3/#4/ST guy at best. That #23 spot rookie guard starts and is already better than anybody else on the roster.

I'm just being practical. Personally, my most superativest favorite player for our pick is Odell Beckham. However, being realistic and understanding the needs of the team, S'ua-Filo would be the better pick considering what potential receivers will still be on the board in the third round.
the WR we draft is going to have #1 WR upside, a much more important investment than a guard...and again, WRs of that caliber are usually not sitting their at #23

we should be drafting QBs, WRs, and pass rushers in the first in no particular order...we should not be drafting guards, as a matter of principle

rebuilding this team with back-to-back first round OL picks when the only pass catcher of any talent on our team is an older vet (Bowe) is insane

we don't need the latest 'best guard ever' (said every ****ing year)...we need game breakers

Saccopoo 04-22-2014 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10578061)
The same can be said for the guards in this draft. I'd rather take a guy who could potentially be a 1 wr vs a guard early when I could take a guard that can play at a high level later.
Okay, from a hypothetical perspective, which do you think is a better situation in terms of potential talent from an overall team perspective?:

#1. Xavier S'ua-Filo
#3. Devin Street

or

#1. Marquis Lee
#3. Trai Turner

the Talking Can 04-22-2014 11:03 AM
and why do you want to 'bargain shop' for WRs, while spending a premium pick on a guard?

it is so ass backwards

The Franchise 04-22-2014 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10578081)

#1. Brandin Cooks
#3. Trai Turner
That one.

the Talking Can 04-22-2014 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10578081)
Okay, from a hypothetical perspective, which do you think is a better situation in terms of potential talent from an overall team perspective?:

#1. Xavier S'ua-Filo
#3. Devin Street

or

#1. Marquis Lee
#3. Trai Turner
Marquis Lee can score on any play, Street can't...that's what you pay for in the first

the Talking Can 04-22-2014 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10578085)
That one.
mmmmm...tasty

Eleazar 04-22-2014 11:10 AM
We let Schwartz walk, and replacing him will be an undrafted player who was on the practice squad until the final week of last season, even though the team had a mountain of offensive line issues.

Yay.

Saccopoo 04-22-2014 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10578082)
and why do you want to 'bargain shop' for WRs, while spending a premium pick on a guard?

it is so ass backwards
Because, once you get past Watkins, Evans, Beckham and Cooks, the rest of the WR's are basically the same level until you hit the later part of the fourth round. (And I'm not so sure that guys like Moncrief and Huff and Street aren't just as good as the top four guys anyway.)

The #23 pick isn't a "premium" pick. It's not a top ten pick, where you are theoretically selecting a potential transcendent level player.

As well, much the same as the strong side OLB and RT, OG is a different animal these days. It's not the Woody Hayes three yards and a cloud of dust, '70's offense that required a big ass mauler to push the guy in front of him backwards a couple of years type of position anymore.

Remember when Asamoah went out and Schwartz came in and how much better the entire offensive line looked from that point on? And Schwartz is just a guy.

Getting a guy who is potentially an All-Pro level player at that spot seems to represent good value, regardless of the position he plays.

The Franchise 04-22-2014 11:11 AM
So Schwartz made the offensive line better....but he's just a guy.

****ing stupid.

Saccopoo 04-22-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10578086)
Marquis Lee can score on any play, Street can't...that's what you pay for in the first
I beg to differ:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/vaAgtNWewh8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Devin Street
6'3"
198 lbs.
33 3/8" arms
9 1/4" hands
40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Marquis Lee
6'0"
192 lbs.
31 3/4" arms
9 1/2" hands
40: 4.52
Vertical: 38"
Broad: 127"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Same guy except Street is bigger and high points the ball better. Better hands than Lee as well.

The Franchise 04-22-2014 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10578102)
I beg to differ:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/vaAgtNWewh8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Devin Street
6'3"
198 lbs.
33 3/8" arms
9 1/4" hands
40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Marquis Lee
6'0"
192 lbs.
31 3/4" arms
9 1/2" hands
40: 4.52
Vertical: 38"
Broad: 127"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Same guy except Street is bigger and high points the ball better. Better hands than Lee as well.
So why is Lee regarded as a 1st rounder and Street isn't?

saphojunkie 04-22-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10578102)
I beg to differ:

Devin Street
6'3"
198 lbs.
33 3/8" arms
9 1/4" hands
40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Marquis Lee
6'0"
192 lbs.
31 3/4" arms
9 1/2" hands
40: 4.52
Vertical: 38"
Broad: 127"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Same guy except Street is bigger and high points the ball better. Better hands than Lee as well.
You lose all credibility when you compare two WR on paper. Measurables mean nothing.

Saccopoo 04-22-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10578095)
So Schwartz made the offensive line better....but he's just a guy.

****ing stupid.
Four teams in four years says that he's just a guy.

If the Chiefs thought he was super All-Pro like everyone around here thinks, then I'm pretty sure that 16 over 4 wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to retain his services.

Just a guy. We signed his identical twin in Linkenbach. I don't know why people keep freaking out about the team letting Schwartz go.


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