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Hammock Parties 08-13-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10815820)
McCluster's receiving production didn't dip with Alex Smith. Again, right at the top.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:LMAOROFL

You CANNOT be serious.

A little useless slapdick like McCluster who never goes downfield is obviously going to have inflated numbers with a guy like Alex.

saphojunkie 08-13-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10815832)
Avery was 20 catches and nearly 200 yards short of his career best...

It's no coincidence that the outside WR's suffered through a year of Alex Smith. Even his biggest ball washers will tell you he doesn't like going outside.

He was also targeted 50 times more in 2012 than 2013. FIFTY TIMES.

And out of those fifty extra attempts? He got less than 200 yards.

Avery averaged 14.9 YPC or nearly 2YPC better than his "career best."

That's not killing a wide receiver. That's being far more ****ing efficient.

Hammock Parties 08-13-2014 03:25 PM

I've already posted the chart that shows how much Crabtree's production suffered with Alex vs Kaepernick.

Alex is what he is...maybe Bowe can get 800 yards this year.

jd1020 08-13-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10815838)
Jesus Christ that's like 12 yards a game!

He dropped more than 200 yards worth of passes.

Jesus Christ that's like 5 games at Avery's pace of 39 yards a game last season.

And Avery has been plagued with dropped passes his entire career, dipshit.

saphojunkie 08-13-2014 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10815840)
:LOL::LOL::LOL:LMAOROFL

You CANNOT be serious.

A little useless slapdick like McCluster who never goes downfield is obviously going to have inflated numbers with a guy like Alex.

You have a really bad habit of making blanket statements, being called on them, and then qualifying them retroactively. It's the difference between making an argument and being argumentative.

CLAY: Alex makes wide receivers worse!!!

Actually, these wide receivers didn't show that at all.

CLAY: Idiot! I didn't mean those wide receivers!

:shake:

Marcellus 08-13-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10815844)
I've already posted the chart that shows how much Crabtree's production suffered with Alex vs Kaepernick.

Alex is what he is...maybe Bowe can get 800 yards this year.

Maybe you and OTWP can get together and come up with all the magic statistical numbers that equals wins.

You guys are far more hung up on stats for individual players than you are actually winning.

That is unless you want to discuss the playoff game and then the stats mean nothing because we lost.

Nice cherry picking world to live in.

Hammock Parties 08-13-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10815848)
You have a really bad habit of making blanket statements, being called on them, and then qualifying them retroactively. It's the difference between making an argument and being argumentative.

CLAY: Alex makes wide receivers worse!!!

Actually, these wide receivers didn't show that at all.

CLAY: Idiot! I didn't mean those wide receivers!

:shake:

None of our wide receivers performed well last year. McCluster included, despite what you think about his "production."

Avery had a much better year in Indianapolis, too. And I told EVERYONE his production would go down here.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER is a middle finger to wide receivers and downfield passing.

Marcellus 08-13-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10815846)
Jesus Christ that's like 5 games at Avery's pace of 39 yards a game last season.

And Avery has been plagued with dropped passes his entire career, dipshit.

So in other words, Avery's production didn't drop off much. Got it.

jd1020 08-13-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10815853)
So in other words, Avery's production didn't drop off much. Got it.

:spock:

saphojunkie 08-13-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10815851)
None of our wide receivers performed well last year. McCluster included, despite what you think about his "production."

Avery had a much better year in Indianapolis, too. And I told EVERYONE his production would go down here.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER is a middle finger to wide receivers and downfield passing.

It's not about producing. It's about their COMPARATIVE PRODUCTION. And compared to their history, neither receiver had a down year.

Avery had a much better year in Indianapols? Are you ****ing shitting me?

The guy was mediocre in Indy. He's mediocre in KC. Luck threw to Avery FIFTY TIMES more in Indy and that garnered a whopping 195 more yards and one more touchdown.

Your contention was that Smith makes receivers worse. That didn't happen to any receiver other than Bowe. Avery had a normal Avery year and McCluster had his best year by far.

It doesn't matter if they're both average jackoffs. What matters is that you're wrong. Smith wasn't detrimental to them at all.

Eleazar 08-13-2014 03:36 PM

The only comment in that article that means a thing is Teicher saying that Bowe has had a bad camp. His basis for saying that? Who knows. It's Teicher.

You have to wonder how much the underwhelming crop of free agent WRs this past offseason played in to the decision to re-sign him.

Bowe looked to be suffering from just-got-paid last year. That had better not happen again this year or he could well find himself on the trading block.

jd1020 08-13-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10815881)
You have to wonder how much the underwhelming crop of free agent WRs this past offseason played in to the decision to re-sign him.

I would imagine the list of reasons to re-sign Bowe looked something like this:

1) Bowe's past body of work
























6798) The 2014 WR FA pool

John Dope 08-13-2014 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10815724)
Total bullshit. WRs in the best shape of their life, who have never had a major injury, are not "done" at 30.

Bowe has a good five years left.

From this week's MMQB...

Quote:

7. I think I’m not sure which quote I hear more from players of these two:

•“I am in the best shape of my life at this training camp.”

•“I learned that a supplement I took caused the positive test. I deeply regret not investigating the supplement.” (Miami safety Reshad Jones said that Friday afternoon, when the league suspended him for the first four games of the season for a positive PED test.)

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny...el-sam-rams/5/
Note that it was written after spending time with the Chiefs. Also, for the record, Bowe has said both quotes.

Hammock Parties 08-13-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10815873)
Your contention was that Smith makes receivers worse. That didn't happen to any receiver other than Bowe.

It happened with Michael Crabtree.

And it happened to Avery, too. Of COURSE he had fewer targets here. Why? ALEX SMITH IS HIS QB. ALL OF THE WRS TARGETS WENT DOWN.

And it will happen again this year unless Alex raises his level of play. Last year was not good enough.

saphojunkie 08-13-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10815941)
It happened with Michael Crabtree.

And it happened to Avery, too. Of COURSE he had fewer targets here. Why? ALEX SMITH IS HIS QB. ALL OF THE WRS TARGETS WENT DOWN.

And it will happen again this year unless Alex raises his level of play. Last year was not good enough.

I'm with you. I hope he does. I'm not happy with a top 15 QB. But I don't think he's fundamentally incapable of raising his level of play. And while Avery's yards went down, his YPC went way up. Alex is very efficient.

I would like to see him take more chances, even if it hurts his efficiency.


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