Mighty mouse!

Charles Davis and his stupid "Mighty Mouse" nickname can bite me. Nelson isn't particularly short for a CB and he is pretty thick. The original Mighty Mouse, Mark McMillian, was 5' 7" 154 lbs, so it the nickname was appropriate. Nelson is over 5' 10" and 200 lbs. Not very mouse-like.

absolutely

If we can mix in some coverage sacks into our defensive repertoire then we will be much more effective against the elite QB's.

I want Manning to get hit so badly. :grr:

Poe goes low
Hali goes for the arm
Houston goes high

Manning cries out in pain as his arm gets ripped out of it's socket. PBJ PBJ

Lets also add this player CB De'Vante Bausby UDFA will be in camp. Here is some highlight tape and interview. I think the kid played in KC area high school anyone know about DeVante Bausby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKPHIQO8DD0

Would you rather have Conley or Jaelen 'got his ass owned by a mediocre Steven Nelson' Strong ;)

We'll see. If he's a 4-year quasi-starter for us by locking up the Nickel role, then it's a good pick. My concern is that Sutton's defenses have largely struggled when trying to put a 'slot' corner at NCB. It looks to me like Sutton's scheme simply requires that you have 3 guys with the skills to play out wide playing CB, NCB included. I don't see those skills in Nelson. His lack of speed and size will leave him exposed at times. I know conventional wisdom says you can hide that in the slot but NFL O-Coordinators make a living kicking the shit out of conventional wisdom. If they find a weakness, they'll exploit it.

Ramik Wilson was my least favorite pick of the draft, this is second. We appear to have traded the upside and athleticism of a guy like Josh Shaw for the higher floor and aggressiveness of Nelson. I understand the philosophy, it's just not the approach I'd have taken.

I would have liked to have Funchess

I usually agree with your takes, but I think you're off on Nelson. He most certainly has the size and speed to play outside. He's faster than Peters and only a couple inches shorter. He's also physical and plays bigger than he is. I think Nelson is the perfect nickel for our scheme.

Nelson is an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than Flowers and ran a similar 40 at the Combine but is only a mediocre nickle in the NFL because of his size and speed? M'kay.

Flowers was a sub-par press-man corner because of size and athletic limitations.

If you're playing a Cover-2 or similar zone scheme, you should probably be just fine with Nelson wide. However, let's not forget that Flowers was a mediocre nickel on this team when we switched to Sutton's press-man scheme.

Don't just try to attach a 'name' former player to another prospect without considering how that player would fit in what we do now. You should be especially careful about doing so when said former player actually played in this system and didn't do it terribly well.

There's a better UDFA they signed and that's CB Justin Cox

But the bolded is what I'm concerned about.

I don't know how Nelson will fit everywhere, but I do know how Flowers fit here and in the press scheme, it wasn't great. Moreover, trying to compare Flowers to Nelson isn't fair either as Flowers was quite a bit more fluid than what I see from Nelson.

My point being that even if you can make a Flowers comparison - though I believe it's a reach - Flowers still wasn't terribly good in this system precisely due to the lack of speed and size. Owens wasn't very good. Robinson wasn't very good. Undersized corners without great closing speed can work in some systems but they don't appear to work worth a damn in this one.

Obviously Nelson could prove me wrong, I'm just going by what corners have succeeded/failed in this system and what I see in the guy.

I already deleted my post because I kind of realized that making the Flowers comparison doesn't help Nelson's case. Player comparisons are dumb anyways.

I like that Nelson has good feet for the position. His 3 cone and 40 are solid for nickel CB's.
I think he will be the 5th CB to start the year much like Gaines was pushed down the depth chart last season. Get him some experience and ease him in. Really think that Peters, Smith and Gaines are our top 3 with Fleming as a backup.

We desperately needed depth after Gaines/Fleming's injury problems and Cooper not panning out. They knew they couldn't rely on Parker anymore. He's just not that good there.

I do feel really good about the CB position and hope we add another one next season, as well as WR's. The game really is moving to the outsides and you definitely need a myriad of good players there.

Look at who we are playing this season. GB and DEN have plenty of good WR's and PIT/IND added more to their elite units. We needed to prepare for that.

So who stays in the secondary? We carried what....5 CBs and 4 safeties last year?

Cooper is probably the odd man out unless he magically shows something in TC and preseason.

Who's out at safety? They've got Parker, Branch, Abdullah, McCray and Commings. I would assume that McCray is out if Commings stays healthy.

I only brought up Flowers in reference to the size and speed bit. I never said he was similar to Flowers. In fact, it's obvious Nelson isn't Flowers as he is both bigger and faster.

I still believer that a lot of Nelson's apparent limitations in college are because of the shitty coaching DBs got at OS. Nelson played very well at the Senior Bowl when he got real coaching and got to work on his technique. It remains to be seen if he can continue to improve but I believe he will.

I will admit to being a bit of a homer on this pick. ;)