Originally Posted by 3rd&Long (Post 13358039)

Nothing to get into a twist over this information. Look at the past several decades and how many superbowl projected teams are listed? How many? The Chiefs are what they are...get your hopes up then crash them down to earth in a brilliant burning array of flames.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13357485)

It's not fair but Mahomes will either be the "Chosen One" or this thing goes down in flames...

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 13358284)

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13358293)

St Patrick does NOT bless you :shake:

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 13358323)

If someone could provide any reason for hope I'd be glad to listen. I'm 52 years old. Tired of waiting. Same shit every year.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13358036)

There are some things about this team that only true diehard fans can understand. People who actually watch each game and thoroughly observe the players.

The truth is, we are about to clear a ton of cap space that is essentially dead weight anyways. We aren't having to cut major contributors that we can't replace.

So you've got Veach set to take some portion of his $30+M in cap space and devote it directly to key needs that can be upgraded pretty easily. You've got the draft, which we should have more picks in once the Smith trade occurs, to directly devote those resources to upgrading on defense quickly. Maybe offense in some spots.

Whoever the guy is who wrote this just doesn't see the big picture, like most talking heads. He's looking at names and numbers and assuming the Chiefs are in a black hole, when they really aren't.

The 53 should absolutely be better in '18.

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 13358284)

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13358353)

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13358336)

You've mentioned it a couple of times and it's true and a little encouraging. The players we need to replace with potential FA/rookies have been so bad that anything should be an upgrade.

Anything we get opposite Houston next year is an improvement over this year. It also shouldn't be hard to improve the #2 CB position.

Upgrading at G and DL will probably take more skill by Veach considering we aren't bare at those positions, but do need improvement.

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 13358284)

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13358362)

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a guy to let it fly a little more.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13358362)

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a QB to let it fly a little more.

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 13358366)

I swear if they don't do something about the #2 CB my head will explode.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 13358370)

Was just watching some highlights of Micheal Vick and DeSean Jackson with Andy. Mahomes and Hill have potential to be incredible on the deep ball. Mahomes has similar arm to Vick and Tyreek has similar speed to DeSean. Plus it looks like Kelce is a better tight end than the Eagles had at the time. Should be fun to watch!

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13358399)

Andy is one of the great offensive schemers in the history of the league and he has never had the talent at playmaker positions which he will have here in 2018.

Part of it is just the Chiefs homer in me, but I really believe that Patrick and Andy can be the perfect combo for one another. They are exactly what each of them need IMO to reach their ceilings.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13358353)

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.