Originally Posted by tooge (Post 13676791)

Here's the thing with carbs. It's not so much the grams of carbs, but how they are absorbed into your body. Carbs are carbs. Glucose is glucose. Fruit contains fructose, glucose, and sucrose. Snickers bars also contain glucose and sucrose. The difference is that a mango, which contains twice the number of carbs as a snickers bar (50 vs 27gms), also contains a significant amount of fiber, which slows the absorbtion of the sugars, so you don't get the same sugar spikes in the blood.

That is why whole grains, despite being high in carbs, are totally fine, and actually good for you because the high fiber content helps to slow absorbtion of all sugars in your diet, thus leveling out blood sugar. Beans and leafy greens are also high in fiber. However, black and pinto beans are so high in carbs that they would wreck a keto diet.

Bottom line is, nix the keto diet. Have some carbs in the form of beans and whole grains, fruits and vegetables. Cut back on refined sugars like those in non whole grain breads, white rice, and potatos.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 13676851)

The old original p90x had a nutrition plan that made a lot of sense to me... basically start with really low carbs to lose the weight, then up carbs as your workouts improve.

Off keto (for me), it's about finding a balance that doesn't leave me feeling like I'm starving myself or down a slow spiral of cravings and slowly eating more and more... and like you said, when you eventually reintroduce some carbs, do it from fruits and vegetables, etc. (one of my favorites right now is the 4g net carb tortillas that have like 15g of fiber).

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13676878)

I tried all kinds of diets but Keto was the only that has worked for me and I lost quite bit of weight and fat. Then I wrecked one of my knees, got over weight again, found out I was on the border of Type 2 diabetes and now I am starting over.

But I decided to do lazy Keto\low carb this time instead of hardcore Keto. I have got to have a cheat meal once a week and as tooge said some beans. So far I have lost 15 lbs and down to 185 and my goal is to get to 170.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13676916)

Yes, but are you inflamed?
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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 13676876)

NO ONE needs full on Keto. It's not needed and it does not magically cure some disease.

I do believe in lower carbs than most Americans eat, especially if you aren't very active and trying to eat very little if any processed sugar.....But no where near a low carb level where you are in ketosis. 50-100g of carbs a day is pretty sufficient for most average people though. And unless you're replacing these carbs with very high fat foods, your look and waist line will likely improve.

Those who shouldn't do lower carbs are endurance type athletes. People biking, running or playing sports that have a high cardio component. But again if you look at the average American, this isn't them.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 13676984)

Is that a thing?

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13676995)

Yes. See ITT with the "carbs cause infLAME" comments.
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 13677009)

Sugar causes inflammation and too much of it can cause problems. I think this is great article on it.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...ation#section1

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13677042)

I'm still doing Keto. Seem to be stuck at 20 pounds for the last week and had several days where i felt weak and dead legs. Grabbed some potassium and Magnesium pills and that went away. I want to lose 20 moar but I have so much muscle I don't know if it's reasonable.

Edit: Wait, I just checked . It's not so much muscle. still fat.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13677053)

I think you're too inflamed. Stop eating all food and stop drinking all fluid. That should help.
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13677042)

I'm still doing Keto. Seem to be stuck at 20 pounds for the last week and had several days where i felt weak and dead legs. Grabbed some potassium and Magnesium pills and that went away. I want to lose 20 moar but I have so much muscle I don't know if it's reasonable.

Edit: Wait, I just checked . It's not so much muscle. still fat.

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13677060)

I have NO arthiritis. So its working

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13677098)

When I was on hardcore Keto I made sure to drink either chicken or beef broth every day. I really like the Better than Bouillon product and is more cost effective than just buying cans of broth.

Also make sure you drink a shit ton of water.

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13677042)

I'm still doing Keto. Seem to be stuck at 20 pounds for the last week and had several days where i felt weak and dead legs. Grabbed some potassium and Magnesium pills and that went away. I want to lose 20 moar but I have so much muscle I don't know if it's reasonable.

Edit: Wait, I just checked . It's not so much muscle. still fat.