Veach discovered Mahomes. Everyone knows this. Dorsey was here when we picked him but it was all Veach. This is why he deserves some time.

Everyone agreed we needed to act quickly while Mahomes was on his rookie deal. That's what Veach did - he acted quickly. Maybe didn't work in all cases but he took a swing at it.

Sure even if that is correct didn't Reid fail in Philly trying to do much more than coaching?
With a great talent like Mahomes the GM's role is critical in building a complementary team under cap constraints. We need a real one, not yes men like Veach or an overloaded HC who has a list of gameday issues to fix.

You aren’t seriously buying into that company line are you?

Maybe Veach scouted Mahomes but that’s what scouts are supposed to do.

DORSEY is the one who had to ultimately take Veach’s advice, and then make the big trade up to the exact spot he needed to get to in order to draft Mahomes.

We don’t give Dorsey nearly enough credit here. And as for Veach “discovering” Mahomes? It’s not like Mahomes was some grunge band playing in a dive bar that Veach happened to stumble upon. He was a well known commodity that every scout and GM in the league had their eyes on. So I’m not buying this “discovery” shit for one second.

It isn’t just the “company line” dumbass. Mahomes camp and the people Veach dealt with at TT have said the same things.

And it started well before Mahomes Junior year.

You want to vent about Veach after a disappointing loss? That’s fine, but let’s not try to change the facts to fit your narrative.

Yes Dorsey traded up to #10 not higher not lower while giving up just enough. Dorsey had his ups and downs but with a powerful HC like Reid directly reporting to the owner I don't know how "great" a GM can be.

The thing about this thread it's not just after a loss though. The interior has been getting Mahomes creamed all season. Well actually since atleast the new England game last year and the run defense has always been trash. It's a bigger picture thing then just reacting to 1 game.

What cases did it work?

None. Team loses the battle at the LOS constantly.

That's how I see it also. I just thought I may be missing something, so I was asking.

Veach has done the best he can with the cards he was dealt. He picked up decent talent in the offseason to overhaul the D in: Wilson, Okafor and Ogba. Hitchens and Clark were also very good pickups at the time. Not Veach's fault they haven't lived up to their contract. The safety position which was a major weakness was drastically improved.
The only weakness, and a major one, I see with Veach has been his drafting. It's been hit or miss. Saunders and Speaks look to be busts. Thornhill and Hardman do not. We need to have a really solid draft next year.

LB is bad for us right now. We have zero at that position that's worth a damn.

Huge problem that can't be fixed during the season.

It doesn’t matter that “everyone agreed” to whatever. Veach is the one getting a large paycheck to get it right, and he’s not getting the job done.

Ugly. Best rush of the day came from Ragland.... let that sink in.

Every big loss we've had in recent memory is a carbon copy of each of the other losses...it's a pattern and nothing about it is changing and that's concerning.

That was my big takeaway from last night...