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Sorce 10-06-2020 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 15222821)
I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but there were quite a few times that CEH just ran directly into a group of offensive linemen and defenders. I mean, like he was trying to hit a target.

His strength is supposed to be quick cuts, lateral cuts, and fast decision making when it comes to deciding which lane to run through, but last night he barely did that at all, and ran directly into the pile.

It was frustrating to watch.

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I also saw several runs where he tried to make a jump cut when the hole was straight ahead. Not really a concern, he's still learning the line and NFL.

Megatron96 10-06-2020 01:29 PM

Not sure why we're bagging on Sammy for that fumble. It was punched out by a very savvy safety, IIRC. And when's the last time Sammy fumbled? Was he a Chief when that happened? Otherwise, he played pretty well.

And the OL is going to take at least another 2-4 weeks to really gel, we know that.

People, this is not the OL that we thought we were going to have at the beginning of the season, remember?

So while KO has performed nicely, he's still not really settled in, we had Remmers in there for a game or so while Wylie was out, and now Wylie's back. And Wylie was never settled in either.

It's basically the same scenario that happened with the OL last year. Once we got all the starters back on the field, it still took 4-5 games for them to gel with each other again.

The OL will be fine. It's going to look a lot better in a few weeks. Our running game between the tackles is going to look a lot better in a few weeks.

htismaqe 10-06-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15222856)
Not sure why we're bagging on Sammy for that fumble. It was punched out by a very savvy safety, IIRC. And when's the last time Sammy fumbled? Was he a Chief when that happened? Otherwise, he played pretty well.

Seems like he has a couple every year...

Yeah, he had 2 last year and 1 the year before.

MahomesMagic 10-06-2020 02:18 PM

Only the Patriots can employ these tactics against us. It takes a loaded secondary with each player needing specific traits and the ability to effortlessly play as one. Its so complicated that the ex Pats that became head coaches in Detroit and Miami are still trying to get their players ready for it.

htismaqe 10-06-2020 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15223014)
Only the Patriots can employ these tactics against us. It takes a loaded secondary with each player needing specific traits and the ability to effortlessly play as one. Its so complicated that the ex Pats that became head coaches in Detroit and Miami are still trying to get their players ready for it.

And the coaches in Houston were never able to recreate despite several attempts.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorce (Post 15222835)
I also saw several runs where he tried to make a jump cut when the hole was straight ahead. Not really a concern, he's still learning the line and NFL.

Bieniemy is going to help, I'm sure.

Coochie liquor 10-06-2020 02:43 PM

I think Andy didn’t want to unpack too much of the playbook last night. He got a lead and then went vanilla. If somehow the Pats would have takes the lead he may have pulled more out. But defense and the Pats qb situation we’re making it where we didn’t have to. I couldn’t believe Hoodie was still playing short ball with a 2-3 score deficit late in the 4th quarter. Shows how little faith he has in those backups.

Megatron96 10-06-2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15222999)
Seems like he has a couple every year...

Yeah, he had 2 last year and 1 the year before.

Sammy has a whopping 5 fumbles in a 7 year career.

Just for the sake of comparison, Julio Jones over roughly the same period has 11.

Watkins probably gets about half the balls in a season, probably a little less, so Sammy's fumbling about as often as JJ. I think we can live with that.

htismaqe 10-06-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15223390)
Sammy has a whopping 5 fumbles in a 7 year career.

Just for the sake of comparison, Julio Jones over roughly the same period has 11.

Watkins probably gets about half the balls in a season, probably a little less, so Sammy's fumbling about as often as JJ. I think we can live with that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a huge problem or anything. Just that he has 1 or 2 a year it seems like.

KChiefs1 10-06-2020 05:05 PM

I've always said to rush 2 guys & have 9 back in a zone. It limits the open windows & in a zone you can watch Mahomes so he can't break a long run.

Only a solid running game would put an end to that & the Chiefs just don't have one.

Megatron96 10-06-2020 05:38 PM

It's been just four weeks with a rookie RB and a OL that we've already shuffled twice. I think we can wait 3-4 more weeks to see what we have in CEH. But so far I think he's done a pretty good job. Sure he's gotten stuffed a few times, but without looking at the A-22/coaches film, it's hard to say exactly what the problem is. But he has also made some really nice runs in each game. Let him have a few more weeks with a stable OL and we'll have a much better idea what's what.

Basileus777 10-06-2020 05:46 PM

The Patriots have the best secondary in the league, how many other teams can hold up in coverage with this approach?


This is what the Titans tried to do to us in the AFC Championship game and we tore them apart.

chiefzilla1501 10-06-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15223014)
Only the Patriots can employ these tactics against us. It takes a loaded secondary with each player needing specific traits and the ability to effortlessly play as one. Its so complicated that the ex Pats that became head coaches in Detroit and Miami are still trying to get their players ready for it.

There's a theory that in stacking up to beat the Chiefs, the Pats make them vulnerable to teams like Tennessee and Baltimore. We are THAT team and it feels pretty great. Especially since even on their best day we can beat them.

Megatron96 10-06-2020 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 15223558)
The Patriots have the best secondary in the league, how many other teams can hold up in coverage with this approach?


This is what the Titans tried to do to us in the AFC Championship game and we tore them apart.

I'm thinking every team in the AFC at least is looking at the film to try and figure out what Bill did last night.

I'm also thinking that maybe only a couple teams have the players to make it work. Steelers, Chargers, maybe the Bills if they can figure out how to generate any pressure with their down 4.

Then, how many of them have the DC smart enough as well as the players with enough football IQ to put it all together.

So yeah, probably one or two teams in the AFC. Probably about the same in the NFC.

Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15223466)
I've always said to rush 2 guys & have 9 back in a zone. It limits the open windows & in a zone you can watch Mahomes so he can't break a long run.

Only a solid running game would put an end to that & the Chiefs just don't have one.

I'm currently watching the NFL Network replay of the Browns/Cowboys game and it's a sad reminder of how incredible Kareem Hunt would be in this offense. You want to make Patrick's job easier? Give him a back like Hunt to complement CEH, especially as CEH learns on the job.

Hell, maybe even a guy like D'Ernest Johnson would get it done. I don't know.


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