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DaneMcCloud 06-18-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 15712888)
I think he's a decent WR3. I reckon he'll take a step forward this year but I don't expect to get a great deal more from him than we're seeing.

He's not a bust but you'd hope for more from a 2nd round pick, he's definitely not developed into a replacement WR2 for Watkins. I doubt anyone would pick him ahead of Metcalf or McLaurin if they had the pick again.


You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?

LMAO

Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

-King- 06-18-2021 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15713016)
LMAO

So you still don’t understand that Hardman isn’t the X in this offense and never will be.

He might not be the X, but he will absolutely be #2 in targets for WR’s.

And they clearly drafted Powell to be the future X while Robinson was signed to be a stopgap/insurance.

This is only news to you because you don’t have a ****ing clue.

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staylor26 06-18-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15713078)
You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?

LMAO

Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

“You must spread some reputation around before giving it to DaneMcCloud again”

Have a great weekend Dane!

Dunerdr 06-18-2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15713066)
You know who our “#2 WR” was last year in terms of production?

Mecole Hardman.

Not shocked but the "number 2" barely played, so its hard to use that example. People have differing definitions of #2. I used to think of it as your best two outside WR's as 1 and two but, that just isnt the case realistically. Hardman will likely be our second best producer, just not at the X role and people will probably still bitch about Sammy being replaced by the Robinson, Pringle and Powell committee.

staylor26 06-18-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15713088)
Not shocked but the "number 2" barely played, so its hard to use that example. People have differing definitions of #2. I used to think of it as your best two outside WR's as 1 and two but, that just isnt the case realistically. Hardman will likely be our second best producer, just not at the X role and people will probably still bitch about Sammy being replaced by the Robinson, Pringle and Powell committee.

Well that #2 is completely out of the picture now, so I don’t see any reason that’s going to change.

DaneMcCloud 06-18-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 15554060)
What's wrong?

Dude was always a project.

For the love of God this franchise needs to stop drafting projects in the 2nd rd.

Yeah, because the late second round is just packed with guys that can be Week 1 starters on a Championship football team, and Veach just keeps missing on them.

:facepalm:

staylor26 06-18-2021 02:03 PM

A “project” with over 1,000 yard and 10+ TD’s the last 2 seasons.

I don’t think people understand what a “project” is. You’d think Hardman hasn’t even gotten on the field yet.

Dunerdr 06-18-2021 02:11 PM

Man that ball where Mahomes jumps against the titans, Mecole scorched the entired titans d but hes a project.

kccrow 06-18-2021 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15555715)
Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

Kiimo 06-18-2021 11:49 PM

I shit on Breeland Speaks and nobody pushed back




But let's be honest that was fish in a barrel

saphojunkie 06-19-2021 01:26 AM

I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

Halfcan 06-19-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 15713642)
I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

It all goes back to the CP draft. Mecole was NOT their guy, so they will hate him forever for it.

"Just look at who we could have had!!!"

"Chiefs could have traded back, picked up extra picks and then parlayed those into extra picks- and then used them to fill 10 spots on the team with All-Pro players----but we ****ing picked Hardman instead!" :cuss:

Kiimo 06-19-2021 10:49 AM

I just want Mecole to get better at route running and concentration because I WANT him to keep getting better.

I understand he isn't the X receiver but I guess I just want him to be more clutch because he is explosive as hell.


But also CEH is going to get more look in the passing game along with Noah. We have a lot of good options without having that traditional second receiver.

I think people were just hoping that Hardman would turn into Calvin Ridley in his second year and it didn't happen partly because there are so many other options

-King- 06-19-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 15713642)
I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

Mecole played 6 more games than Watkins and only had 140 more yards, 4 more catches, and 2 more touchdowns a lot more drop. On a per game basis, Watkins was better and they didn't have to run plays specifically for him in order for him to succeed. He fit the natural flow of the offense whereas Mecole really doesn't.

RunKC 06-19-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15713546)
It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.


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