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Donger 06-28-2021 12:23 PM

FWIW:

Those findings seem to be supported by a report that Michael Stratton was on the phone with his wife, Cassondra, who told him their building was shaking just before the collapse. She was looking out from a condo at Champlain Towers South when she told him she saw "a sinkhole where the pool out her window used to be," he told the Miami Herald.

The phone call then cut off. Stratton is among the scores of people who remain unaccounted for days after the collapse. The death toll stands at 10.

Dartgod 06-28-2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15724109)
FWIW:

Those findings seem to be supported by a report that Michael Stratton was on the phone with his wife, Cassondra, who told him their building was shaking just before the collapse. She was looking out from a condo at Champlain Towers South when she told him she saw "a sinkhole where the pool out her window used to be," he told the Miami Herald.

The phone call then cut off. Stratton is among the scores of people who remain unaccounted for days after the collapse. The death toll stands at 10.

The pool in the lower left of this photo? Is that where she saw the sinkhole?

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/6-gU...HABBGVXKAM.jpg

suzzer99 06-28-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 15722620)
Yeah, this is awful. Back when I did news gathering in the early 1980s in Columbia, these frat boys went down to Jacks Fork on a float trip. There was a big storm, they got caught in it on the river, huge flash flood and a couple of them drowned. The news director wanted to send a crew to wait for these guys to get back home to their frat house, camp out in front of it, then ask them how they felt about their frat brothers drowning. I refused to go. They sent a different cameraman, and I got out of the news biz about a week after that. The song "Dirty Laundry" sums it up well. "It's interesting when people die..."

My Dad was a cub reporter for the KC star in the 70s. A family had just lost their son. My Dad asked if they wanted to talk about it and they said no. The dispatcher told him to get back in there and get a quote. My Dad refused and got fired for it.

suzzer99 06-28-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15724109)
FWIW:

Those findings seem to be supported by a report that Michael Stratton was on the phone with his wife, Cassondra, who told him their building was shaking just before the collapse. She was looking out from a condo at Champlain Towers South when she told him she saw "a sinkhole where the pool out her window used to be," he told the Miami Herald.

The phone call then cut off. Stratton is among the scores of people who remain unaccounted for days after the collapse. The death toll stands at 10.

Maybe she was in that part of the tower that remained standing for a few seconds, then collapsed.

Donger 06-28-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 15724263)
The pool in the lower left of this photo? Is that where she saw the sinkhole?

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/6-gU...HABBGVXKAM.jpg

Well, there goes that anecdote.

Pitt Gorilla 06-28-2021 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15722800)
It's not just reporters. Sure, some of the ones who cover disasters are scumbags, but at least they're on the job.

An EF-3 tornado hit in my area earlier in the week. Tornados are fairly rare this far north (suburban Chicago), especially strong ones that damage heavily populated areas. Luckily there were no fatalities, but there was a good amount of damage. In addition to the reporters, there were a bunch of rubberneckers touring the area. One woman drove in from outside the immediate area, parked her car, hauled out a double stroller and pushed her kids around with one hand while filming the damage on her phone with the other, like it was some sort of tourist attraction. Jesus. Eventually the cops had to set up road blocks to keep them out.

Ruined homes and lives aren't the ****ing Pirates of the Caribbean.

:shake:

That's really terrible. WTF is wrong with people?

RunKC 06-28-2021 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 15724263)
The pool in the lower left of this photo? Is that where she saw the sinkhole?

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/6-gU...HABBGVXKAM.jpg

Was there a confirmed sinkhole?

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Florida is the worst state for sinkholes bc the ground is comprised mostly of limestone which erodes far quicker than other material.

But the worst of it is documented in central Florida

displacedinMN 07-03-2021 12:17 PM

A top Miami-Dade fire official on Saturday told family members of people missing in the rubble of a collapsed condo building that demolition workers planned to bring down the remainder of the building on Sunday.

Worries have intensified over the past week that the damaged structure could come tumbling down on its own, endangering the crews below and complicating the search for victims.

Fire Rescue Assistant Fire Chief Raide Jadallah told family members during a morning briefing that the building would be brought down "as soon as possible. First thing tomorrow."

But he cautioned that there "may be some hiccups." A follow-up meeting will be held in the afternoon to finalize details of the demolition, which could be a precarious operation as experts enter the building to bore into the structure to install explosives.

Concerns that the still-standing portion could tumble have curtailed the search in areas close to that section, and shifts detected by monitors early Thursday prompted a 15-hour suspension of the entire search until engineers determined the site was safe to restart.

Jadallah said the remnants of the demolished building would be removed immediately after with the intent of giving rescuers access for the first time to parts of the garage area that is a focus of the search. Such access could give officials a clearer picture of the voids that might exist in the rubble and could possibly harbor survivors.

No one has been rescued since the first hours after the June 24 collapse. The approach of Hurricane Elsa from the Caribbean Sea also raises concerns that strong winds possible in South Florida by late Sunday or early Monday could further destabilize the standing portion of the towers.

The confirmed death toll from the collapse of the condominium building on June 24 stood at 22 early Saturday. Officials reduced the number of missing from 145 to 126 after duplicate names were eliminated and some residents reported missing turned up safe.

The demolition of the building would temporarily suspend search operations, but officials hope not for long. Some families asked to be able to return to the building to retrieve personal belongings, but will not be allowed to do so.

Frazod 07-03-2021 12:26 PM

They really should change words at this point - it's not rescue; it's recovery.

Deberg_1990 07-03-2021 12:29 PM

Wow. But I understand. Extremely doubtful there is anyone left alive in there.

Titty Meat 07-03-2021 06:36 PM

You must have been walking around the building at the time Fatzod

BigRedChief 07-04-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 15722912)
Current reporting shows this to be one huge case of gross negligence that got 160 dead. Ugly.

Condos around here built after the mid-90's and Hurricane Andrew are the safest places to be in a hurricane.

These older ones are vulnerable to shoddy work and corruption. And as in this case, if its a big repair bill that the current owners have to fix, they keep putting it off because of the cost.

I'd see some new regulations coming out of this that the structural concerns/repairs/ must be resolved within "X" amount of time or they must vacate the building.

Bugeater 07-04-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15729972)
They really should change words at this point - it's not rescue; it's recovery.

Yep, can't imagine there's anyone still alive. And how shitty would it be for the remaining residents watching the rest of the building come down with all their stuff still in it. But I suppose they should just be thankful to be alive. Horrible deal all around for everyone involved.

Chief Pagan 07-04-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15730359)
Condos around here built after the mid-90's and Hurricane Andrew are the safest places to be in a hurricane.

These older ones are vulnerable to shoddy work and corruption. And as in this case, if its a big repair bill that the current owners have to fix, they keep putting it off because of the cost.

I'd see some new regulations coming out of this that the structural concerns/repairs/ must be resolved within "X" amount of time or they must vacate the building.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/03/u...-collapse.html

Spoiler!


Interesting NYT article about their struggle to agree to agree to all the special assessment charges to pay for repairs. It's paywall. I'm not sure but maybe NYT's still allows a few free articles a month?

Edited: It's looks like you have to register to get your free articles. I put part of the article in behind a spoiler.

But unless the state\city\county gets more active, who is going to force the association to set aside the money and do timely repairs?

Floridians aren't really in love with having the government telling them what they have to do.

BigRedChief 07-04-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 15730450)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/03/u...-collapse.html

Spoiler!


Interesting NYT article about their struggle to agree to agree to all the special assessment charges to pay for repairs. It's paywall. I'm not sure but maybe NYT's still allows a few free articles a month?

Edited: It's looks like you have to register to get your free articles. I put part of the article in behind a spoiler.

But unless the state\city\county gets more active, who is going to force the association to set aside the money and do timely repairs?

Floridians aren't really in love with having the government telling them what they have to do.

Florida, like every other state\city\county, is already regulating the standards and sets building codes levels. Already telling their citizens and businesses you must ensure that “X” is up to snuff or you can’t sell or habitat that dwelling.


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