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KC_Connection 11-01-2021 10:31 PM

Turning the Chiefs into a run-based offensive football team is not the answer here. We aren’t going to be able to keep up with other teams in this league doing that. Not every opponent is like the Giants.

JakeF 11-01-2021 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928076)
Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

:clap:

PBJ PBJ PBJ

cdcox 11-01-2021 10:32 PM

Other than not finding the holes in the zone, we are not managing down and distance well this year. Too many 3rd and 6+. The play calling needs to most often gain 10 yards in two downs. Hitting the middle distance passes. Defenses are shutting down deep passes AND closing fast on sort stuff. Middle has to be open.

Hammock Parties 11-01-2021 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928076)
Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

They ate tonight. 21 carries for 4 YPC.

That's the best you're getting out of these backs, dude.

You think giving them the ball MORE is going to result in a better YPC?

Typically that is not the way it works.

-King- 11-01-2021 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15928081)
Every run is a win for the opposing defense, that’s why they are playing the coverages they are. Reid and Mahomes just need to do better.

And if the runs are working the way they were with Gore, then why shouldn't we punish them for not dropping a man?

BossChief 11-01-2021 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15928072)
No more running. More short passes, yes.

Darrel and Gore are one trick ponies. You cannot give them the ball 30 times.

That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

FloridaMan88 11-01-2021 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15928090)
Turning the Chiefs into a run-based offensive football team is not the answer here. We aren’t going to be able to keep up with other teams in this league doing that. Not every opponent is like the Giants.

The Chiefs passed almost every down on that impressive first drive.

Quick, short passes… almost a quick tempo rhythm as well.

Yes the drive ended with an INT, but the Chiefs effectively marched down the field and Mahomes completed like 7/7 passes.

MOAR of that strategy.

cdcox 11-01-2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928084)
EXACTLY.

Andy needs to adjust the scheme to help him in exactly those areas.

The pocket isn't a good place to be. OB isn't a bookend LT.

Hammock Parties 11-01-2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928105)
That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

The Chiefs aren't capable of doing that kind of thing consistently.

The backs aren't that good.

You'll notice that drive worked well AFTER the Chiefs came out mostly throwing.

That's why that drive worked.

You can't run a modern offense just grinding slow RBs up the center's ass. You just can't. You're stuck in 1995.

BossChief 11-01-2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15928099)
They ate tonight. 21 carries for 4 YPC.

That's the best you're getting out of these backs, dude.

You think giving them the ball MORE is going to result in a better YPC?

Typically that is not the way it works.

That’s EXACTLY the way it works with banger backs with big nasty OLs… we have 2 guys that can pair with this OL to wear defenses out and set them up for kill shots.

It’s the obvious counter punch to the defenses that have been frustrating Mahomes this year.

cdcox 11-01-2021 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928105)
That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

I'm never ever going to do that as a DC against PM.

BlackOp 11-01-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15928111)
The Chiefs passed almost every down on that impressive first drive.

Quick, short passes… almost a quick tempo rhythm as well.

Yes the drive ended with an INT, but the Chiefs effectively marched down the field and Mahomes completed like 7/7 passes.

MOAR of that strategy.

Reid has been doing this all year...it's really a head scratcher....not the short passes but finding something thats working then going away from it.

They had something working with Gore...then they ghosted him.

They should have done exactly what they did on the next drive....nope. Make them adapt to stop it...

JakeF 11-01-2021 10:40 PM

We do people seem insulted when the Chiefs run the ball.

JFC

Our Oline is built to run the ball, didn't anyone see that by the big, maulers to drafted?

You don't assemble a power run blocking offense line and then never run the damn ball.

Use the run to setup the pass, that has always been a good recipe for success

We don't have to run it on every play, just make a defense honor the run so we can throw the ball easier. It's not difficult.

This is still just PTSD flashbacks to Martyball. lol

BossChief 11-01-2021 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15928115)
The Chiefs aren't capable of doing that kind of thing consistently.

The backs aren't that good.

You'll notice that drive worked well AFTER the Chiefs came out mostly throwing.

That's why that drive worked.

You can't run a modern offense just grinding slow RBs up the center's ass. You just can't. You're stuck in 1995.

That’s a whole lot of hot garbage.

These backs are plenty good enough to be highly effective behind this OL.

Running long developing pass play after long developing pass play with these WRs and these guy blocking the edges is a recipe for disaster and that’s showing out on the field as we turn the ball over like 24% of the time.

We simply aren’t built for that type of offense. Not as a base offense, anyway. This offense is built to ride its OLs strength.

Like I said.

Best IOL in the NFL and 700 pounds of OTs. Let them lean on the DL and wear them down more. Then run those long developing pass plays once Niang and Briwn have leaned in on their guys all day.

Hammock Parties 11-01-2021 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15928119)
That’s EXACTLY the way it works with banger backs with big nasty OLs… we have 2 guys that can pair with this OL to wear defenses out and set them up for kill shots.

It’s the obvious counter punch to the defenses that have been frustrating Mahomes this year.

No one is going to respect either of these RBs. They can't break a run over 10 yards.


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