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CupidStunt 04-13-2022 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16243563)
I feel like Veach may have got hosed.

Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

JPH83 04-13-2022 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16243995)
Because it's an easy analogue for comparison's sake. Like you, I'm far more concerned with the DL. But when I'm trying to make a demonstration, I'm going to try to compare apples/apples and when comparing Patricks impact on the offense w/ his relative inability in directly impact the defense, talking secondaries is the cleanest way to do it.

I guess that makes sense. Imo If PM is a force multiplier as you say, and the most significant one on this team, then you give him the best opportunity to multiply resources to the greatest extent. Is any force multiplier on the DL going to be more impactful than QB?

...it's also possible I'm confusing myself talking about force multipliers and that Frank Clark has just made me never want to invest significant money in the DL ever again. Anyway, we disagree I guess.

O.city 04-13-2022 03:02 PM

Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

DJ's left nut 04-13-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16244805)
Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

{sigh}

RunKC 04-13-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16244805)
Would you trade 30 for Montez Sweat?

No I would draft well and then sign that mother****er next March in FA

O.city 04-13-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16244809)
{sigh}

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16244813)
No I would draft well and then sign that mother****er next March in FA

They're trading one of those picks for a DE. You guys may as well prepare for it.

htismaqe 04-13-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16244824)
They're trading one of those picks for a DE. You guys may as well prepare for it.

Who?

The Franchise 04-13-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16244860)
Who?

He's been saying Josh Allen for a while now.

kccrow 04-13-2022 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 16244046)
Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

Pretty terrible attempted dig to call me out of touch with contracts.

It's debatable whether or not MVS was in "more demand" than the receivers I listed. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. My point is simple, those receivers, with around equivalent production, have signed for far less.

While some have been signed in line with their actual ability and production, there are a few outliers like Kirk, MVS, and Zay Jones. That doesn't mean the entire market has gone reeruned. Yes, the market is getting more expensive and especially so at the top. Veach, in my opinion, overpaid for what he's getting in lieu of getting a better bargain. Now, that could absolutely work out but let's not pretend he didn't have an equivocally good QB throwing him the football in a similar offense.

Christian Kirk at 18 per actually makes more sense to me than MVS at 10 per. Kirk is younger, has produced more and appears to be on the ascent. I don't think Kirk should be making that either and that the Jags overpaid but Kirk undoubtedly had suitors.

Either way, the only thing we can do is hope he works out and applaud Veach if it does. If it doesn't, well, I'm very prepared for that.

emaw1979 04-13-2022 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16244928)
He's been saying Josh Allen for a while now.

I'd love trading for Josh Allen if it's for a 3rd rounder or even a conditional 2nd rounder next year. No way am I giving up a #1 or even a #2 this year.

The Franchise 04-13-2022 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16245022)
I'd love trading for Josh Allen if it's for a 3rd rounder or even a conditional 2nd rounder next year. No way am I giving up a #1 or even a #2 this year.

Yeah because I’m sure the Jags are good with that.

kccrow 04-13-2022 06:43 PM

Why would the Jags trade Josh Allen, for starters, and then why would they do it for a late 2nd or 3rd? No way that happens. If they take Hutchinson, they'll have a really good duo of pass rushers to build that team around.

emaw1979 04-13-2022 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16245046)
Why would the Jags trade Josh Allen, for starters, and then why would they do it for a late 2nd or 3rd? No way that happens. If they take Hutchinson, they'll have a really good duo of pass rushers to build that team around.

Because he's an underperforming 1st round pick with 1 year remaining on his rookie contract? And if they draft DE, they are heavy at the position.

RunKC 04-13-2022 08:29 PM

I keep hearing about packaging 29 and 30 to move up and I’ve gotta say I think that would be a big mistake. I understand big time players win games but goddamn man. Most of the best playmakers in this league are not high picks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> now have 12 picks in the draft. What are they going to do with them? <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@baldyNFL</a> believes, and I completely agree, they can be bold and go after certain players with all this ammo. My report on NFL NOW on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/rOy5aCt69S">pic.twitter.com/rOy5aCt69S</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1514365968272834567?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OKchiefs 04-13-2022 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16245132)
I keep hearing about packaging 29 and 30 to move up and I’ve gotta say I think that would be a big mistake. I understand big time players win games but goddamn man. Most of the best playmakers in this league are not high picks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> now have 12 picks in the draft. What are they going to do with them? <a href="https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@baldyNFL</a> believes, and I completely agree, they can be bold and go after certain players with all this ammo. My report on NFL NOW on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/rOy5aCt69S">pic.twitter.com/rOy5aCt69S</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1514365968272834567?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I believe I saw a post somewhere about them possibly being able to package one of 29/30 and also 50 to move up in the first. If they see someone available around middle of the first I could see that being a worthwhile trade. Then maybe try to trade back down from the other 1st to regain an additional 2nd/3rd. I’d like to see some moving around in the draft, both up and down, with all these picks.


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