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crispystl 10-31-2022 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16566499)
So I was watching a Chiefs podcast last night, and apparently Toney may or may not be a good punt/kick returner. He's only returned something like 16 punts/kicks between college and the NFL. And he had some drops doing it in college.

Now Toub is the best ST coach ever, so maybe it's just a question of coaching him up properly. No question the Chiefs coaching staff is the best he's ever been around, so there's plenty to be optimistic about, but Toney may not be our answer this season as a returner. Just saying.

But it also means Toney may not be returning kicks/punts right now.
He can't be any worse than "can't find the ball in the" Skyy Moore. Like someone else said a few days ago...I think returning punts is killing Skyy's confidence as a WR.

Megatron96 10-31-2022 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 16566542)
He can't be any worse than "can't find the ball in the" Skyy Moore. Like someone else said a few days ago...I think returning punts is killing Skyy's confidence as a WR.
I guess we'll see. i don't know; I've only seen him return kicks/punts in his highlights reels, so of course there isn't any of him muffing one.

But considering his injury history, I doubt he's ever going to be a long-term returner. I think he'll be more of a situational returner.

Simply Red 10-31-2022 12:24 PM
so this guy currently has 2 bum hamstrings correct? When were they saying he MAY be ready to play?

Seems like this was a move more so for next season or to keep for trade bait and what not.

htismaqe 10-31-2022 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 16566567)
so this guy currently has 2 bum hamstrings correct? When were they saying he MAY be ready to play?

Seems like this was a move more so for next season or to keep for trade bait and what not.
Both Andy Reid and Toney himself said he's 100% healthy and ready to go.

Megatron96 10-31-2022 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 16566567)
so this guy currently has 2 bum hamstrings correct? When were they saying he MAY be ready to play?

Seems like this was a move more so for next season or to keep for trade bait and what not.
All the news says he's healthy and ready to play. There was something weird going on in NYG concerning his health. I've heard more than a couple of NY reporters say that management decided that Toney wasn't healthy when he said he was. And vice versa. It's confusing, but the bottom line is that the NYG and K. Toney disagreed about his status.

But yeah, the more I look into t, the more it seems like acquiring Toney was more about next season than this one. Which I guess means we're still looking for another offensive weapon for this season?

FRCDFED 10-31-2022 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16566499)
Now Toub is the best ST coach ever, so maybe it's just a question of coaching him up properly. No question the Chiefs coaching staff is the best he's ever been around, so there's plenty to be optimistic about, but Toney may not be our answer this season as a returner. Just saying.

But it also means Toney may not be returning kicks/punts right now.
You think Toub is the beat ST coach ever? Even after watching KC trot Moore out there and muffing kicks?

htismaqe 10-31-2022 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FRCDFED (Post 16566717)
You think Toub is the beat ST coach ever? Even after watching KC trot Moore out there and muffing kicks?
If you look at the advanced analytics, he's one of the best ever, yes.

Megatron96 10-31-2022 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FRCDFED (Post 16566717)
You think Toub is the beat ST coach ever? Even after watching KC trot Moore out there and muffing kicks?
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16566721)
If you look at the advanced analytics, he's one of the best ever, yes.
What he said.

Helps things if you do your homework.

BWillie 10-31-2022 02:08 PM
Nm

carcosa 10-31-2022 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16566876)
What he said.

Helps things if you do your homework.
How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...

htismaqe 10-31-2022 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16567149)
How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...
They're more like PFF QB rankings. But all that means is that individually, you have to take them with a grain of salt. It's when ALL of them agree on something that really means something.

Megatron96 10-31-2022 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16567149)
How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16567154)
They're more like PFF QB rankings. But all that means is that individually, you have to take them with a grain of salt. It's when ALL of them agree on something that really means something.
This is the key. Dave Toub's reputation as a ST coach is unanimous among all analysts, and among all NFL coaches. And has been for more than a decade.

The only people that question Toub's excellence as a ST coach is the occasional ignorant fan.

BWillie 10-31-2022 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16567149)
How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...
I dont really know if its possible to assign certain NFL positions for players a WAR like they do for baseball. Just so many variables and not every play is of equal value. Great QBs are great because they move the sticks on 3rd down. And can make crazy plays when their team is losing and they have to.

Couch-Potato 10-31-2022 05:40 PM
I'd give him KR & PR duties immediately, and develop a sweep and pass play for him his first week. Let him know he's got a place on this team and we've got him in mind.

BWillie 10-31-2022 05:44 PM
I want this guy to be good so bad.


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