I know you were really high on Williams too but you were also pretty vocal about WR and were especially championing moving up for Jameson Williams. So, you would have completely overlooked WR at 50 to take Williams? I'm not sure I can believe that.

I think Veach ****ed up in his calculations and settled for Moore but standing pat at 50 it would have been tough to double-dip at DE with Pickens and Pierce sitting there and a pretty dire need to get a rookie WR in the fold.

You forgot Nick Bolton...

Interesting note!

Right? All the steals come from two SEC schools that produce a lot of NFL talent. Who would have thought?!

It'd be like me saying, well, how about Wisconsin and Northwestern in the B1G?! I mean, not quite the same state but near the same geographical distance apart, and I'd still be giving an overwhelming edge to Miss St/Ole Miss.

It's not even a great argument. Should Veach scour the shit out of those programs? Of course, because they produce a lot of NFL talent every year.

It's not an argument to make sense of him trying to cover for his obvious desire to add a WR last year, one he would have TRUMPED taking a DE to get by trading up for Jameson Williams.

And btw, Sneed never played for a Mississippi program.

;)

Give me Ngakoue, who is more productive than anyone we have, and then JJ Watt for the limited snaps crusty old vet role. Come get a ring, JJ! You deserve it. He'd also be a great mentor for Karlaftis. Then give me a draftee no later than #62 at DE. And a mountain for nose somewhere around round 3.

More I think about it the more I think we just have to do way more in FA. It's funny how much people swing between "FA is for needs" to "Fix it through the draft" normally the latter comes after something isn't fixed in FA.

I'm not a fan of Ngakoue or JJ, I think both will ask for too much and offer too little at this stage. Would much rather a middling DT option and a guy like Okoronkwo or Omenihu as a decent pass-rusher that's probably cheaper, and younger. I'd probably then still take a top 2 picks DE.

What are peoples opinions of Marcus Davenport. He could be decent and is coming off a down year so should be cheaper.

Very good, but will probably still cost us more money than we can afford. If he's anywhere near in value as some of the other names mentioned id go for it no doubt.

Ngakoue has 9 sacks this far this season, and is 27.
Watt has 7 sacks this season, and is 34 and often injured.

Both play for shit teams and don't have the benefit of playing with a lead, where sacks come in bunches.

Both are around $15m per, give or take. If they were currently Chiefs, we would have Jones with 10.5 sacks, Ngakoue with 9, and Watt with 7 before any current DE's become part of the conversation. That's a pretty huge influx of production considering we could mostly pay for one of them by cutting Clark and only have to pay the other out of our available cap.

Neither of your picks are as productive, although they would be cheaper.

Ngakoue is absolute feast or famine. He'll still get you a decent haul of sacks no doubt, more than the guys I'm mentioning, and that has value. But he also then goes missing a lot. Watt as you say is perma-injured. Do I want a guy getting 7 sacks in half a season then probably being out for the playoffs, not really.

Anyway, could we afford both? If we could then we could afford Davenport and Omenihu and I'd rather those guys. I think Davenport will get those sacks back.

Maybe.

I don't think Watt is going to get a big money deal at this point. I would imagine, just knowing what I know about the guy, that he would want a real chance at a championship, and that would be his primary motivational factor. He's done everything else in this league. I think if you're talking rotational snaps, you could figure he'd last the season. If you need him to play 90% snaps or something you're probably going to be lacking. But 30%? I'd take that for probably around $10m.

Ngakoue is a speed rusher, which is kind of the missing ingredient, in my opinion. We don't have anyone that threatens from the snap. He's getting $14m this year. I'd take him for that, and see no reason why he would be a bunch more next year. As a second and third down pass rush specialist, I think that'd be a good haul.

Considering we're paying Frank Clark what both of those guys would cost, I'd call that a win.

It is insane how much we've paid Clark. Jesus Christ

I'd be game for Ngakoue if he's around the same amount he's making now but if it's higher then probably pass.

As for Watt, man... what a disappointing ending to an otherwise unbelievable career. If you could get him for a full slate of games, that's great. I just don't think it's likely anymore. If I'm a GM, it's probably a hard pass unless he sits out early and I'm picking him up late in the season.

If you get JJ Watt, a decent strategy might be to save him for the 4th quarter of close regular season games and obviously the 2nd half of close Playoff games. I think perhaps he could be a good teacher/coach for younger players like Karlaftis. That's where Watt could provide a ton of value, regardless of what he might be doing on the field.