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Hammock Parties 01-09-2023 04:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs worked out free agent WR John Ross. <br><br>He was the 9th overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft to the Bengals and ran the fastest 40 ever at the Combine (4.22).</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1612576266091221002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 01-09-2023 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16725510)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs worked out free agent WR John Ross. <br><br>He was the 9th overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft to the Bengals and ran the fastest 40 ever at the Combine (4.22).</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1612576266091221002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Wow. Guys I don’t think Hardman is coming back…

DJ's left nut 01-09-2023 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16725514)
Wow. Guys I don’t think Hardman is coming back…
Maybe not but again - do you really think they're gonna sign a street free agent and have him in there?

They've gone without Hardman for about 2 months now and haven't had a fully healthy version of him all season. If he's not coming back, they'll just write him off and run the offense as they've run it for half the season.

I don't think John Ross (who's played like 5 games in the last 3 years) is someone they're bringing in to replace Mecole. I just don't see these as related conversations.

excessive 01-09-2023 04:50 PM
You guys are nuts. Hardman is playing in the playoffs. You'd rather Andy went all Staley and had him out there against the Raiders? Nah, the team has always been on the cautious side on returning players. You think Andy thought they had to have Mecole to best the Raiders? No, he's doing what he's always done, watching out for his players. I expect Mecole to play and make his presence known.

crispystl 01-09-2023 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16725215)
At times, maybe a little.

But they weren't sandbagging against Buffalo or Cincinnati - there was just too much on the line.

But we haven't had a full compliment of targets all season.

We should in 2 weeks.

And now you'll witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station...
Oh yeah I agree. It seems like we let it rip for big games like that, but sandbag in games Andy thinks we can get away with it. I expect to see the offense take it up another tick in the playoffs. Especially if Hardman is healthy.

O.city 01-09-2023 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16725469)
I think they probably do, actually.

They just couldn't get it this year.

I think this season they allocated scarce resources to particular niche skills in an attempt to re-build the position on the cheap.

Then they flat missed with the Moore pick.

But I think they'll keep shooting their shot and they WILL try to find a larger, more toolsy Z wide receiver.

Because they aren't using JJSS at ALL like Reid has ever used an X receiver. And I don't believe they drafted Moore expecting him to ever be like that. They just took what was in front of them.
They actively traded away the opportunity to take said guy though in Pickens (sorry Detox).

I dunno. I think they'd like to have said guy, but I dunno that they really wanna expand the resources to have that single guy, when they can cobble together a couple into that.

crispystl 01-09-2023 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16725217)
andy been sandbagging all year
I have a feeling he's really been sandbagging some of the running game with Pacheco.
I think he's fast enough to turn the corner on some off tackle and other runs we haven't seen for a while.

Rasputin 01-09-2023 04:56 PM
Imagine if we had Willie Roaf at LT. Keep interior line and have big John Tait at RT.

Hammock Parties 01-09-2023 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 16725570)
I have a feeling he's really been sandbagging some of the running game with Pacheco.
I think he's fast enough to turn the corner on some off tackle and other runs we haven't seen for a while.
they pitched him the ball ONCE this season to my memory, and it wasn't a toss play

i want to see a toss with thuney out there in front

DJ's left nut 01-09-2023 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16725568)
They actively traded away the opportunity to take said guy though in Pickens (sorry Detox).

I dunno. I think they'd like to have said guy, but I dunno that they really wanna expand the resources to have that single guy, when they can cobble together a couple into that.
Yeah - but like I said in the Moore thread, I think they just missed.

They saw Pickens/Pierce/Moore as similarly talented prospects. Or they just didn't want to deal with Pickens potential attitude concerns.

I don't think that's a statement as to the type of player they were really looking for. I think they just got it wrong. But hell, maybe Moore steps into the Z role next year and makes me look like a dick.

But I don't think they're actively opposed to large, fast, talented WRs.

JustDíqLix 01-09-2023 05:12 PM
Toney baloney.

The only thing that matters is that you have the best QB in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes.

https://i.ibb.co/PGXMwjd/474-F5-D8-E...4-FA005-A2.jpg

RunKC 01-09-2023 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16725528)
Maybe not but again - do you really think they're gonna sign a street free agent and have him in there?

They've gone without Hardman for about 2 months now and haven't had a fully healthy version of him all season. If he's not coming back, they'll just write him off and run the offense as they've run it for half the season.

I don't think John Ross (who's played like 5 games in the last 3 years) is someone they're bringing in to replace Mecole. I just don't see these as related conversations.
I think Toney has made Hardman expendable. I would like us to draft another speed receiver though.

I do think these moves signal the end of Hardman’s time here. Ross is just an initial lottery ticket

DJ's left nut 01-09-2023 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16725609)
I think Toneybhas made Hardman expendable. I would like us to draft another speed receiver though.

I do think these moves signal the end of Hardman’s time here. Ross is just an initial lottery ticket
Using Toney the way they've used Hardman is a massive waste, IMO.

Use Toney as a true Z. He has the tools for it. Use MVS as an X in a DeSean Jackson mold.

Skyy/Hardman rotate at the Y depending on what you're looking for. And ultimately you draft another WR, ideally one with more size, to potentially step in for MVS in 2024.

I think you COULD use Toney like they've used Hardman, but I think you're better served, if the price is right, retaining Hardman and walking from JJSS.

crispystl 01-09-2023 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16725580)
they pitched him the ball ONCE this season to my memory, and it wasn't a toss play

i want to see a toss with thuney out there in front
Yup exactly. It's something him and the o-line should be able to execute at a high level too.

ROYC75 01-09-2023 05:23 PM
All I know is if Hardman & Toney is both healthy, along with Moore & MVS, there is no reason not to have 1 of them going deep on every play. You can even sprinkle in a few double post/ fly patterns now and then as decoys of some screens and underneath routes to keep the defense stretched & worn out.


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