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Dunerdr 03-18-2023 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16862864)
Yeah, I was thinking about this for a minute last night, and it feels far-fetched that Veach would do this. At least this year, with no EDGE1 on the roster. I mean, maybe that's Omenihu?

Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

JPH83 03-18-2023 11:45 AM

Right now RT is the biggest need and has the fewest options to fill in FA in my opinion. Maybe someone like Cameron Fleming. The talent in the draft is at DE imo so I'd love to add another 1st round Edge. But I think we'll go RT. Only way I see it not happening is if the Bengals take Wright and Veach thinks there's a big drop to the next guy, which there is. Then I reckon it's DE R1, trade up for a Bergeron type R2. Wouldn't hate it but it'd be a shame to lose the 3rd.

oldman 03-18-2023 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16862585)
Ok don't side step the question.... AS A FAN... WOULD YOU IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE TO SEE MAHOMES WITH A WR OF THAT CALIBER.....

AS A FAN of the Kansas City Chiefs since 1963, IN A PERFECT WORLD the Kansas City Chiefs would be Super bowl Champions EVERY YEAR!!! I don't care if PMII takes a breather and only throws for 3500 yards if we go 20-0. I don't care if we are the #5 offense as long as we score more points than our opponents. Winning in the NFL, not a fantasy football league, is everything.

JPH83 03-18-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862878)
Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

They're vetting a lot of DEs but I do wonder if it's R2-3 now. Tranquil is our coverage LB that allows Chenal to rush more imo, and he can also add to our blitz packages. That's a great way to add flexibility.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862878)
Did we have an EDGE1 on the roster that I missed last year? I think Spags is getting versatile line guys knowing we won’t be able to afford or draft a true Edge 1. We play mismatches and hope our coverage continues to improve buying some of our slow burners a chance.

In terms of usage, it was Frank. He was the veteran presence, do-it-all guy. I'm not talking about results, just which EDGE Spags leaned on most of the time.

Dunerdr 03-18-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16862917)
In terms of usage, it was Frank. He was the veteran presence, do-it-all guy. I'm not talking about results, just which EDGE Spags leaned on most of the time.

Understand. We need a leader and a few more guys for this committee imo.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16862976)
Understand. We need a leader and a few more guys for this committee imo.

Question is, does that mean Frank is coming back somehow, or does Spags install someone else as that guy? I don't think would be Karlaftis, but could it be Omenihu? He doesn't have a lot of stats to look at, but we know he's capable of lining up inside/outside, defends the run . . . I mean, maybe? I haven't seen enough of him to have a strong feeling either way.

Hammock Parties 03-18-2023 12:44 PM

Omenihu's pressure rate demands starter status IMO, especially when he's big enough to be great against the run.

Kick him inside on passing downs and bring in Danna or a speed rusher to be named later.

DenverChief 03-18-2023 12:45 PM

Guys - it's clearly going to be WR OBJ

chiefforlife 03-18-2023 01:21 PM

Back to the Coiling to strike idea...

Trade strike; Could be Zadarius Smith. Veach was after him before, he wants out of Minny, Minny is cap strapped. This would NOT be a high draft pick, 4th or less. Savvy Vet still producing at a high level. Opens up our draft.

DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber. Veach HAS been looking for WRs it just hasnt worked out YET. They chased JuJu for two years knowing they would only have him for one. They have looked at OBJ, AJ Brown... Veach is NOT stupid, we all know that, he isnt going to screw the team over, BUT if he can find the right deal he WILL do it.

Some guy NO ONE is expecting, this would be Veach at his BEST. He seems to know what every teams situation is and could be trading for someone that isnt on anyones radar, this is the "Oh Shit" trade.

Megatron96 03-18-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16863023)
Back to the Coiling to strike idea...

Trade strike; Could be Zadarius Smith. Veach was after him before, he wants out of Minny, Minny is cap strapped. This would NOT be a high draft pick, 4th or less. Savvy Vet still producing at a high level. Opens up our draft.

DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber. Veach HAS been looking for WRs it just hasnt worked out YET. They chased JuJu for two years knowing they would only have him for one. They have looked at OBJ, AJ Brown... Veach is NOT stupid, we all know that, he isnt going to screw the team over, BUT if he can find the right deal he WILL do it.

Some guy NO ONE is expecting, this would be Veach at his BEST. He seems to know what every teams situation is and could be trading for someone that isnt on anyones radar, this is the "Oh Shit" trade.

Dez Bryant came in for a workout. They did try to re-sign Tyreek. They even extended Sammy.

When you look at the history, it's pretty clear that they've always been looking for a veteran top-tier WR, they just haven't found the one they really want. Yet. It's just a matter of time.

RealSNR 03-18-2023 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16862585)
Ok don't side step the question.... AS A FAN... WOULD YOU IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE TO SEE MAHOMES WITH A WR OF THAT CALIBER.....

Yes. You know what I'd like to see more than that, though? Drafting our own guy that Mahomes will turn into a stud himself.

No, it probably won't be a WR with the range and athletic talent of Jefferson, but how about any of the random WRs outside of the 1st round who blossomed into elite players in their own right in this era of the modern NFL? In a totally random order, just to name a few... Tyreek, Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf, Jordy Nelson, Amen-Ra St. Brown, Anquan Boldin, Josh Gordon (that one season in Cleveland, man...), Steve Smith Sr, Victor Cruz, and a whole bunch of other guys I'm forgetting about.

And even then, JJ himself was a late 1st round pick. I know those guys don't exactly grow on trees, but if there is some elite guy like that who slips through the cracks, we've got just as good of a shot as everybody else to identify and scout him should he happen to slip into the back half of the first round.

I get it. You just like the idea of Jefferson playing with Mahomes. That can still be a reality-- it will just have to be somebody like Jefferson instead of Jefferson himself, and we just gotta put in the legwork.

oldman 03-18-2023 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16863023)
DeAndre Hopkins, yeah hes not the 25 year old guy but he is a TOP WR with a few good years left at a reasonable salary for a guy of his caliber.

Good grief, can we get off this narrative??? He's a malcontent with a huge salary that some desperate team will overpay for, just not us. He'd probably want a new contract for even more cash. Veach can find a better fit than him if we want to build for not only 2023, but 2024-6 and beyond. As long as PMII is QB1 we'll be OK.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-18-2023 01:40 PM

They were speculating on SIRIUS today that we were going after Tunsil and letting Lawaan play RT. Lawaan said he would gladly play RT. Protecting our 500 million dollar man was priority

Megatron96 03-18-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16863048)
They were speculating on SIRIUS today that we were going after Tunsil and letting Lawaan play RT. Lawaan said he would gladly play RT. Protecting our 500 million dollar man was priority

Doesn't feel right to me. We probably aren't throwing nearly $40M/yr at our OTs. Seems like overpaying for potential production. And it's just not necessary. Pat's not middle-aged Brady/Manning/Ryan. He can help himself get out of trouble. And we just don't run enough to make the investment in top-tier/elite OTs worth the cap space. Reliable and explosive weapons are more important at this stage of his career.


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