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Mecca 08-28-2023 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076691)
Teams with the best shot at #1:

1. Cardinals
2. Commanders
3. Falcons
4. Texans
5. Bucs
6. Rams

I'd be pretty shocked if it's any other team.

Well considering the Cards have that Texans pick increase their odds..

Bucs I can see, I think Atlanta leans on Bijan which will get them 6 wins.

O.city 08-28-2023 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076691)
Teams with the best shot at #1:

1. Cardinals
2. Commanders
3. Falcons
4. Texans
5. Bucs
6. Rams

I'd be pretty shocked if it's any other team.

The Commanders just have so much talent on the defense...I think they'll get to 6 or 7 wins.

The Falcons are probably the same just from a talent standpoint.

staylor26 08-28-2023 01:59 PM

Could you imagine Williams in ATL with Bijan, Pitts, and London?

Oh man!

Pitt Gorilla 08-28-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17076665)
Pat wasn't generational though as a prospect.

So, Williams has displayed more talent in college than Pat? That's insane.

Williams is also a good 2" shorter, so to overcome that and Pat's college abilities is really impressive.

staylor26 08-28-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17076695)
The Commanders just have so much talent on the defense...I think they'll get to 6 or 7 wins.

The Falcons are probably the same just from a talent standpoint.

Yea, but they're also both starting 2 2nd year QBs that could be absolutely awful.

This is exactly why I'm confident it will be the Cardinals though.

Mecca 08-28-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076700)
Yea, but they're also both starting 2 2nd year QBs that could be absolutely awful.

This is exactly why I'm confident it will be the Cardinals though.

Atlanta didn't even get a top 5 pick starting Mariotta for most of the year.

Pitt Gorilla 08-28-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17076668)
How much have you seen him?

If you've only seen him towards the end of last season, he had a lower leg injury that drastically hampered his mobility. He's better than that. And the truth.

That's probably correct and I remember him from Oklahoma.

DJ's left nut 08-28-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076692)
I have to say, I wasn't aware of this at all, so that's a very good question.

I'd just assumed he'd redshirted. So I looked it up and was...puzzled.

The difference between 24 and 25 ain't much.

The difference between 19 and 20? Man, that can mean a LOT. And with a relatively short track record to boot.

Though the idea that the Cardinals are 'tanking' is a little funny. Those guys were gonna ****ing suck no matter how hard they tried. This isn't a team that was gonna win 8 or even 5 games if they went balls out.

This was a probable 3 win football team if they got a couple breaks.

Kyler Murray has managed to **** over different franchises in different sports. That's some pretty excellent work right there.

staylor26 08-28-2023 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17076703)
Atlanta didn't even get a top 5 pick starting Mariotta for most of the year.

Yea, I don't expect them to actually finish where I rank them, but I'm factoring QB play heavily because a couple injuries here or there and things get ugly quick with a bad QB.

Mecca 08-28-2023 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17076707)
I'd just assumed he'd redshirted. So I looked it up and was...puzzled.

The difference between 24 and 25 ain't much.

The difference between 19 and 20? Man, that can mean a LOT. And with a relatively short track record to boot.

Though the idea that the Cardinals are 'tanking' is a little funny. Those guys were gonna ****ing suck no matter how hard they tried. This isn't a team that was gonna win 8 or even 5 games if they went balls out.

This was a probable 3 win football team if they got a couple breaks.

Kyler Murray has managed to **** over different franchises in different sports. That's some pretty excellent work right there.

The question though is what NFC team is gonna trade for Murray when Arizona is willing to just dump him?

Pitt Gorilla 08-28-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076669)
I mean, he wasn't seen that way.

But I'm sure Veach would disagree, and in hindsight he clearly was.

What does Williams do better than Pat? That's what I'm trying to understand.

Mecca 08-28-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17076709)
Yea, I don't expect them to actually finish where I rank them, but I'm factoring QB play heavily because a couple injuries here or there and things get ugly quick with a bad QB.

This is a reason I am all over Bijan Robinson in fantasy, he is gonna get a ton of touches of the ball.

staylor26 08-28-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17076707)
I'd just assumed he'd redshirted. So I looked it up and was...puzzled.

The difference between 24 and 25 ain't much.

The difference between 19 and 20? Man, that can mean a LOT. And with a relatively short track record to boot.

Though the idea that the Cardinals are 'tanking' is a little funny. Those guys were gonna ****ing suck no matter how hard they tried. This isn't a team that was gonna win 8 or even 5 games if they went balls out.

This was a probable 3 win football team if they got a couple breaks.

Kyler Murray has managed to **** over different franchises in different sports. That's some pretty excellent work right there.

Oh, I don't disagree with that at all, but they're also doing everything everything they can to make sure they get that #1 pick .

duncan_idaho 08-28-2023 02:05 PM

I wasn't aware of how old Williams was for his class, but he's still a legitimate stud talent.

The real thing that might decide who is better between him and Drake Maye (who is also an incredibly well-regarded QB prospect who would have gone #1 unless something weird came up in the draft run-up) is where they land.

When you look at what the Commanders, Falcons, and Cardinals have on offense, it sounds crazy, but Washington might actually be set up well for a young QB to succeed quickly.

Terry McLaurin is a legit WR1. Jahan Dotson is a really nice, rising WR2. Both are better than any WR on the Cardinals offense.

The Falcons have Robinson and London and Pitts (if he can be salvaged), which isn't as good as the Commanders to me, but still better than the Cardinals.

staylor26 08-28-2023 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17076714)
This is a reason I am all over Bijan Robinson in fantasy, he is gonna get a ton of touches of the ball.

I'm drafting him after the big 3 (Chase, Jefferson, McCaffrey).


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