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DJ's left nut

10-02-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 17143549)

He saw his hand on the back. Probably thought it was inside the back of the jersey. Again, this is slowed down and the guy just called what he thought he saw.

Well if he 'thought he saw' a 300 lb man horsecollar a RB from behind that promptly rolled forward as he was tackled, he has a poor grasp on physics and/or the human body and probably shouldn't be an NFL official.

Because what he 'thought he saw' very obviously couldn't have happened.

It was horseshit.

Bowser

10-02-2023 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17142604)

Stop it. It’s holding.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is insane. <a href="https://t.co/1IAiXn2pR6">pic.twitter.com/1IAiXn2pR6</a></p>— Barstool New York (@BarstoolNYC) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarstoolNYC/status/1708680700507906134?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not by the letter of the law.

The rusher should have fallen down instead of just standing there and hitting Smith in the head hoping for the best.

DTHOF

10-02-2023 10:51 AM

Four more years until we have to play those ass wipes so Saleh has to stew until then. No way they are winning that division any time soon

kysirsoze

10-02-2023 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17143484)

Fair enough. We don’t need to hash this out on this one because it benefitted us and I really don’t care all that much, but I think we’d all be crying about how egregious a missed call this was if the roles were reversed.

In particular, this still highlights my thoughts. You can see #11 would have an unobstructed path to Mahomie here if Smith didn’t have him yoked up in a clear hold. He doesn’t rip or swim here because Smith has him cuffed lol I’ll give Donovan props for being so strong

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not directly in front. Johnson not giving up. <br><br>Issa hold <a href="https://t.co/kaqU9kOAlx">pic.twitter.com/kaqU9kOAlx</a></p>— Cowboys Due Diligence (@StevieJPTX) <a href="https://twitter.com/StevieJPTX/status/1708873517519814882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If you have to respond to a video with a single frame, you're probably wrong.

WilliamTheIrish

10-02-2023 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17143560)

I’m going to bet he doesn’t know physics at all. Maybe he does. **** all if I know.

He sees 500lbs of of two humans coming at him in real time at real speed. Was it correct? No. But this isn’t the first time a ref has flagged what he thinks he sees. Won’t be the last either.

I’m not defending the call. But I’ll bet it looks way different at that speed on the ground.

DJ's left nut

10-02-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17143570)

Not by the letter of the law.

The rusher should have fallen down instead of just standing there and hitting Smith in the head hoping for the best.

I'd say it was a hold in the making.

An inchoate holding. He had exhibited a clear intent and taken overt acts towards committing a hold.

But Jermaine Johnson didn't continue at his outside shoulder and actually force him to do it.

IowaHawkeyeChief

10-02-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17143527)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch Travis Kelce on this play. Twitter will not care about it. W <a href="https://t.co/Cj8ikGorBW">pic.twitter.com/Cj8ikGorBW</a></p>— Chandler (@_chandler_____) <a href="https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1708778371876892938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yep, looks like a designed screen to Kelce based on the lineman releasing... Should have been a hold there.

DJ's left nut

10-02-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17143594)

Yep, looks like a designed screen to Kelce based on the lineman releasing... Should have been a hold there.

Yup - had to be a screen. Look at how far downfield Creed and Humphrey are and how they hold at 1 yard before both simultaneously bolting down the field. That was clearly the timing of a screen pass. And they break just as Kelce should be receiving the pass. Anything else and it's going to be the most obvious ineligible man downfield penalty ever committed.

With as carefully timed and coordinated as Reid's screen game is, I don't think there's any question that was a designed middle screen to Kelce. And as obvious a foul as has ever existed happened right in front of the official who's job it is to watch for that very foul and it didn't get called.

But yeah - Chiefs get all the breaks.

Good catch.

WilliamTheIrish

10-02-2023 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17143527)

Holy hell.

O.city

10-02-2023 11:18 AM

If he's in the frame of the defender, the OL is going to be able to "hold" all they want.

It's literally what you teach your OL to do.

Mecca

10-02-2023 11:37 AM

Nothing will ever top guys who played/coached the game explaining how it isn't a hold and fans/reporters being like nuh uh!

DJ's left nut

10-02-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17143671)

If he's in the frame of the defender, the OL is going to be able to "hold" all they want.

It's literally what you teach your OL to do.

Exactly.

It's like I was saying with DBs - you're taught to slap at WRs in your pocket so long as you keep your hands below your chest from pretty much the moment they put pads on you in peewee.

Read the rule as strictly as possible and it's illegal contact. If you want the sport to, y'know, exist - it's not a penalty.

That's what OL are taught from the moment they get too fat to play DE anymore. Then get stuck on the OL in HS and are taught that if you keep your hands inside your shoulders, all bets are off. Especially if/when you keep your legs moving underneath you and keep your chest square to the defender.

NOBODY would expect that to be called a holding penalty and all this "it's clear as day holding" shit from the talking heads who know better is just nothing but sour grapes.

This is stuff we've known since time immemorial and now we're going to pretend like it's not obvious.

GloucesterChief

10-02-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17143521)

It's funny we had so much shit go against us but because Gardner got the hold penalty that's all anyone talks about.

And Gardner grabs a lot. Finally got called on it.

tredadda

10-02-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 17143398)

Ref had a bad angle.

It's very possible that he did. I think what this shows is that KC is not some beneficiary of phantom penalties because the league wants them to win.

Molitoth

10-02-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17143802)

And Gardner grabs a lot. Finally got called on it.

Refs typically let many penalties go unless they blatantly effect the outcome of the play.

Hence... you can find a holding call on EVERY play. The ones that are called are the ones that had a drastic impact. (Most of the time).

If the refs called everything, 1 NFL game would last 5 hours and games would end up like 12 to 3. Defense doesn't sell the NFL brand.

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