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WhawhaWhat 10-28-2024 07:10 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to Salvador Perez, this year’s Roberto Clemente Award winner. Salvy is the first Royal to ever win the prestigious award, which is given annually to a player for his service and philanthropy.</p>&mdash; Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/anne__rogers/status/1850886235792826748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tredadda 10-28-2024 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17769125)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to Salvador Perez, this year’s Roberto Clemente Award winner. Salvy is the first Royal to ever win the prestigious award, which is given annually to a player for his service and philanthropy.</p>&mdash; Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/anne__rogers/status/1850886235792826748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s without question one of my top 2 favorite KC sports athletes of all time. He continues to amaze me in so many ways.

Chiefspants 10-28-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17769125)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to Salvador Perez, this year’s Roberto Clemente Award winner. Salvy is the first Royal to ever win the prestigious award, which is given annually to a player for his service and philanthropy.</p>&mdash; Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/anne__rogers/status/1850886235792826748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His trophy case is going to need some structural reinforcements.

GabyKeepsMeWarm 10-29-2024 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17769125)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to Salvador Perez, this year’s Roberto Clemente Award winner. Salvy is the first Royal to ever win the prestigious award, which is given annually to a player for his service and philanthropy.</p>&mdash; Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/anne__rogers/status/1850886235792826748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is so cool! So happy for Salvy! Anyone catch him and his wife at the game last night for the presentation? He’s truly one of a kind and such a remarkable person and representative of the team.

PHOG 10-29-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17771291)
This is so cool! So happy for Salvy! Anyone catch him and his wife at the game last night for the presentation? He’s truly one of a kind and such a remarkable person and representative of the team.

No, I wish I had though. Haven't watched any of the series, just followed the scoring. Congratulations Salvy!

TomBarndtsTwin 10-29-2024 12:26 PM

Salvy is a National Treasure.

Really hope he gets into the HOF someday . . . . .

Ocotillo 10-29-2024 09:48 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">White Sox To Hire Will Venable As Manager <a href="https://t.co/GgXlA0ZIQ4">https://t.co/GgXlA0ZIQ4</a> <a href="https://t.co/HXmcKEOhtR">pic.twitter.com/HXmcKEOhtR</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1851468424167215329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dlphg9 10-29-2024 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17763119)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It appears Baseball Reference has made their annual tweaks to their WAR calculations, and Bobby Witt Jr. has surged from 9.4 to 10.0 bWAR, clearly moving him past George Brett&#39;s 1980 for the best season in history by a Royals hitter. Even in the offseason, Witt keeps excelling.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/1849824164175024428?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was an error and they changed it back lol

GabyKeepsMeWarm 10-30-2024 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17771429)
Salvy is a National Treasure.

Really hope he gets into the HOF someday . . . . .

If he can somehow keep beating back Father Time, put together a couple more All-Star type level seasons, maybe pad his stats with a couple more seasons of decent productivity, I think he eventually gets into Cooperstown. But the writers are notorious for gatekeeping catchers. It’s pretty ridiculous. And the various veterans committees aren’t much better.

Gary Carter not a first ballot HOFer? Carlton Fisk not a first ballot HOFer? Thurman Munson still not even in? It’s preposterous.

Ocotillo 10-30-2024 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17772429)
If he can somehow keep beating back Father Time, put together a couple more All-Star type level seasons, maybe pad his stats with a couple more seasons of decent productivity, I think he eventually gets into Cooperstown. But the writers are notorious for gatekeeping catchers. It’s pretty ridiculous. And the various veterans committees aren’t much better.

Gary Carter not a first ballot HOFer? Carlton Fisk not a first ballot HOFer? Thurman Munson still not even in? It’s preposterous.

And then last year Joe Mauer was first ballot, so go figure. Not that Mauer didn't deserve it, but he was a peak performer that rode his three batting titles.

I think what will hurt Perez the most are younger, new age voters putting too much emphasis on WAR. They say the threshold for a Hall of Famer is 60 career WAR and Perez is at 36 career WAR on Baseball Reference.

I find WAR for a catcher to be the most unreliable because of all the intangibles and inmeasurables at that position. It's the reason why Yadier Molina (42 WAR) will be a great Hall of Fame candidate study as all the basebally people love him but there's guys like Keith Law that go out of their way to single him out as a non-Hall of Famer.

But ultimately the reason why Perez has a 36 WAR is because analytics simply doesn't like low walk players. Vladimir Guerrero Sr. and Andre Dawson are the outliers in terms of greatness of low walk sluggers but there's other semi-greats like Joe Carter and Juan Gonzalez that get no love at all. Gonzalez is PED-related, too.

Here's a good bias though, HOF voters tend to love the one player for one team guys. Todd Helton and Mauer just this last year fit this category.

ChiefsCountry 10-30-2024 07:55 AM

If Salvy can get one more World Series that would really lock him into the HOF IMO.

GabyKeepsMeWarm 10-30-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17772557)
If Salvy can get one more World Series that would really lock him into the HOF IMO.

Tell that to Thurman Munson. I’ve got ZERO love for the Yankees, but if there was ever an outlier, it was Thurman. Guy won an MVP, had two WS rings, 7 AS selections, 3 GG’s, great postseason numbers, the respect of everyone, and he can’t get in, not to mention what should be the massive NYC bias, and he still can’t get in. It’s bizarre.

Buster Posey has a very similar case, and if he gets in, it should open a whole can of worms for other catchers on the outside looking in.

Ocotillo 10-30-2024 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17772813)
Tell that to Thurman Munson. I’ve got ZERO love for the Yankees, but if there was ever an outlier, it was Thurman. Guy won an MVP, had two WS rings, 7 AS selections, 3 GG’s, great postseason numbers, the respect of everyone, and he can’t get in, not to mention what should be the massive NYC bias, and he still can’t get in. It’s bizarre.

Buster Posey has a very similar case, and if he gets in, it should open a whole can of worms for other catchers on the outside looking in.

Jay Jaffe, who writes extensively about the Hall of Fame for Fangraphs, had Munson as the 12th best catcher of all-time and eighth-best catcher by peak performance in his book Cooperstown Casebook.

Munson is a glaring omission who got light support from the writers and hasn't been revisited much by the veterans commitees. Another catcher that comes to mind is Bill Freehan.

Buster Posey is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. I don't think he's going to have any problem getting in even though he cut his career short.

TomBarndtsTwin 10-31-2024 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GabyKeepsMeWarm (Post 17772429)
If he can somehow keep beating back Father Time, put together a couple more All-Star type level seasons, maybe pad his stats with a couple more seasons of decent productivity, I think he eventually gets into Cooperstown. But the writers are notorious for gatekeeping catchers. It’s pretty ridiculous. And the various veterans committees aren’t much better.

Gary Carter not a first ballot HOFer? Carlton Fisk not a first ballot HOFer? Thurman Munson still not even in? It’s preposterous.

The criteria for a catcher making the HOF is some of the dumbest shit in the history of baseball.

To me, a catcher needs to be elite defensively and be able to control the running game, AND be able to hit pretty decently as well. I'm obviously not a Cards fan, but if Yadier Molina doesn't make the HOF, that will be the biggest crock of shit ever.

And then they go and put someone like Mike Piazza in because he played in NY and hit a lot of HR's and was Tommy Lasorda's boy. :rolleyes: Dude was utter SHIT defensively. He was basically a DH masquerading as a catcher.

Salvy was an elite defensive catcher for several years and absolutely controlled the running game better than almost all other catchers in baseball for several years. And he can hit .270 get you 20+ HR's and 80+ RBI, even in his younger years. With longevity figured in and the ambassador (yes, I think these things matter) for the game he has been, especially in his home country, to me he absolutely IS a HOFer. I realize he will never be first ballot, but he should be in there eventually.

But MLB writers and voters have some ****ed up criteria and priorities when it comes to deciding which catchers get in. It's maddening.

jd1020 10-31-2024 08:46 AM

Salvador Perez has 18.3 career fWAR. His stats arent even close to HoF. He'll go into the Royals HoF.


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