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Zouk 10-13-2008 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5113173)
If I'm the Chiefs, I want Sinorice Moss and a 3rd rounder.

They won't get that much - but I love the idea of including Sinorice Moss in the deal. That's a great call.

milkman 10-13-2008 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5113196)
The more I hear about this the more I hate Carl and Herm more.

I really do wish very bad things to happen to both of them

You should have thrown another "more" in there.

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 09:37 PM

OK giants, you need another offensive weapon, make the call

dirk digler 10-13-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5113205)
You should have thrown another "more" in there.

LMAO

Thanks for the tip maybe next time I will

Mecca 10-13-2008 09:38 PM

The Giants about cut Moss, guy has been a serious bust.

The Bad Guy 10-13-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5113185)
His age, and the fact he opened his dumbass mouth and said he's considering retiring after the 2009 season.

Not many teams are going to give up a ransom to rent a guy for what may amount to a season and a half.

JMO.

All that takes is a phone call to clear up.

If Jason Taylor is worth a 2nd at his age, Tony Gonzalez is worth the same.

OnTheWarpath15 10-13-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5113232)
All that takes is a phone call to clear up.

If Jason Taylor is worth a 2nd at his age, Tony Gonzalez is worth the same.

That's another argument, but I'd respectfully disagree with you.

If I'm building a football team, DE is one of the most important positions to me.

TE is very close to the bottom of the list.

Good TE's are a luxury. Good DE's are an absolute necessity.

Again, JMO.

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 09:46 PM

Report coming.

The Bad Guy 10-13-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113255)
Report coming.

More spam.

No one cares about WPI's take.

dirk digler 10-13-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5113232)
All that takes is a phone call to clear up.

Yep. I would bet that Tony said that because he doesn't want to waste his time playing for this team next year because they probably are going to suck again

KCrockaholic 10-13-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113255)
Report coming.

when?

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5113303)
when?

5 minutes.

aturnis 10-13-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5113303)
when?

tomorrow, around 3-4.

OnTheWarpath15 10-13-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5113260)
Yep. I would bet that Tony said that because he doesn't want to waste his time playing for this team next year because they probably are going to suck again

Or because the man is 32 years old, has taken a beating for the past 12 years, and would like to enjoy his life with his wife and kid while he can still walk without a limp?

I mean, some of you guys have no idea how much a toll these guy's bodies take.

Have any of you guys ever spent any significant amount of time with a pro football player? It's not pretty.

Never got a chance to talk to him, but I saw Marshall Faulk struggle to get up a flight of stairs this spring - 2 years after he retired.

Kurt Warner told me several stories about guys still struggling to get out of bed on Fridays after the previous week's games.

I've seen Dan Dierdorf at Annie Gunn's here in STL countless times, and the man can barely walk.


Maybe, just maybe, he'd like to get on with the rest of his life while he's still in decent enough shape to enjoy it?

Frankie 10-13-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113255)
Report coming.

Who is this Report guy? And why do you think we are interested in a play by play of your sexual activity?
:p

dirk digler 10-13-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5113314)
Or because the man is 32 years old, has taken a beating for the past 12 years, and would like to enjoy his life with his wife and kid while he can still walk without a limp?

I mean, some of you guys have no idea how much a toll these guy's bodies take.

Have any of you guys ever spent any significant amount of time with a pro football player? It's not pretty.

Never got a chance to talk to him, but I saw Marshall Faulk struggle to get up a flight of stairs this spring - 2 years after he retired.

Kurt Warner told me several stories about guys still struggling to get out of bed on Fridays after the previous week's games.

I've seen Dan Dierdorf at Annie Gunn's here in STL countless times, and the man can barely walk.


Maybe, just maybe, he'd like to get on with the rest of his life while he's still in decent enough shape to enjoy it?

Could be Warpath but I have seen Tony quoted earlier this year saying he wanted to play for 3-4 more seasons if he stayed healthy.

Mecca 10-13-2008 10:04 PM

Well in fairness Marshall Faulk had about 50 surgeries on his knee. This is a guy who had his knee scoped and played the same week which is insane.

smittysbar 10-13-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113307)
5 minutes.

Times up

KCrockaholic 10-13-2008 10:07 PM

Maybe the Giants losing will be a blessing in disguise for getting this deal done...Maybe they will think they need Tony to put their team over the top. and have another red zone threat along with Burress...If they had won, they wouldve been undefeated and wouldve thought they could make it without Tony...idk? just guessing

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5113339)
Times up

So's the article.

smittysbar 10-13-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5113343)
Maybe the Giants losing will be a blessing in disguise for getting this deal done...Maybe they will think they need Tony to put their team over the top. and have another red zone threat along with Burress...If they had won, they wouldve been undefeated and wouldve thought they could make it without Tony...idk? just guessing

Might be, I think a lot of peps were thinking the same tonight. If Tony was watching, I would bet he was smiling. Not that Buffalo is bad, but I bet he would take the NYG all day over the Bills

smittysbar 10-13-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113357)
So's the article.

???

Mr. Flopnuts 10-13-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5113228)
The Giants about cut Moss, guy has been a serious bust.

Why? Because they have 4 WR a TE and a RB that have more receptions than him so far this year?

Sure-Oz 10-13-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5113375)
???

that will be $100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5113375)
???

Our site is updated.

If you really want to read it, you can always grab a free 7-day trial subscription.

smittysbar 10-13-2008 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113384)
Our site is updated.

If you really want to read it, you can always grab a free 7-day trial subscription.

No thanks

KCrockaholic 10-13-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113384)
Our site is updated.

If you really want to read it, you can always grab a free 7-day trial subscription.

WTF? you posted that a report was comming, then told us its on your website, and we gotta get a free trial, or pay god knows what?

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:18 PM

Sorry if you weren't aware. Most people are.

Mecca 10-13-2008 10:19 PM

And Claythan wonders why he gets on peoples nerves...

mdstu 10-13-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5113408)
And Claythan wonders why he gets on peoples nerves...

He knows.

smittysbar 10-13-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113406)
Sorry if you weren't aware. Most people are.

I was aware, I just thought you might be posting something here, since you said REPORT COMING. Should have known better.

That's fine though, I have Sports Center and NFL Network which will both have the REAL story, long before WPI.

boogblaster 10-13-2008 10:22 PM

Don't go Shane Don't go Is he ever coming back momma ...

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5113417)
I was aware, I just thought you might be posting something here, since you said REPORT COMING. Should have known better.

That's fine though, I have Sports Center and NFL Network which will both have the REAL story, long before WPI.

Like I said, we have news no one else has reported.

If you don't want to read it, not my problem.

Bwana 10-13-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5113417)
both have the REAL story, long before WPI.

My thoughts exactly.

Mecca 10-13-2008 10:26 PM

Is the news that you got to play with Kellen Winslows big balls?

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:29 PM

Shut up, tard.

KC kid 10-13-2008 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113421)
Like I said, we have news no one else has reported.

If you don't want to read it, not my problem.

You can do that when you make up the news

FAX 10-13-2008 10:45 PM

I'd pay $100 for an article about the capture of Mothman along with pictures of him caged and eating apples and raw pig bowels. Got one of those?

FAX

doomy3 10-13-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5113408)
And Claythan wonders why he gets on peoples nerves...

Hi pot, meet kettle.

Boris The Great 10-13-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113421)
We have news no one else has reported.

This is true. The WPI report had details about the money left on the latest contract Gonzalez signed, which no one else has reported. Of course, it hasnt been reported because nobody cares.

In terms of relevant news, nothing in the WPI report isnt already known by people who have paid attention. And not only that, in certain details the WPI report is lagging behind what Jay Glazer wrote over 36 hours ago.

Nightfyre 10-13-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5113259)
More spam.

No one cares about WPI's take.

Please shitcan this asshat for his spamming.

ClevelandBronco 10-13-2008 10:55 PM

Trade the Hall of Famer. You have to do it.

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris The Great (Post 5113525)
This is true. The WPI report had details about the money left on the latest contract Gonzalez signed, which no one else has reported. Of course, it hasnt been reported because nobody cares.

In terms of relevant news, nothing in the WPI report isnt already known by people who have paid attention. And not only that, in certain details the WPI report is lagging behind what Jay Glazer wrote over 36 hours ago.

You're lying.

ClevelandBronco 10-13-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113528)
You're lying.

You've made an amateur career of lying.

Boris The Great 10-13-2008 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113528)
You\'re lying.

Shall we go through it, paragraph by paragraph?

Hammock Parties 10-13-2008 11:00 PM

I really don't care what you have to say, Boris.

Boris The Great 10-13-2008 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5113532)
I really dont care what you have to say, Boris.

You sure seemed to care a minute ago.

bills_phan 10-13-2008 11:43 PM

Hello - Bills fan here. The speculation is killing us in Buffalo right now! Anyway, you may be interested in the most detailed update I've read to date.

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After working the cell phone and BlackBerry most of Monday trying to land something regarding the Tony Gonzalez trade possibilities, here is some of the info I gathered from various sources close to several different organizations:

--My source close to the Chiefs says that, as of Monday afternoon, the New York Giants had offered a 6th round draft pick for Gonzalez, but the Chiefs asking price was a 3rd rounder. I'm told there had been no other formal offers made by other teams up to that point, including Buffalo. However, the source said that if the Bills - or any other team - were to "get to the 3rd round area, the deal would probably get done."

That doesn't mean there haven't been discussions among teams, just that official offers had not been presented up to that point.

Also, I'm told the Packers may have quietly re-entered the Gonzalez discussions.

There were reports late Monday night stating Gonzalez was "saying goodbye" to his Chiefs teammates and that meant he had already been dealt. That's not necessarily the case. Remember, the official "off day" for NFL players is Tuesday. So, Gonzo was most likely making the rounds just in case he didn't see his current teammates when they returned to work on Wednesday.

As far as Buffalo, here's something to keep an eye on: I'm told the Bills could be working on something else "minor" before the Tuesday 4pm trade deadline. The Bills may not be willing to give up a 3rd round choice for Gonzalez unless they are able to deal a player of their own for a late-round pick in return, whether it's to the Chiefs or any other team. This is an organization that values draft picks very highly, especially since Marv Levy took over a few years ago and then handed the reigns to Russ Brandon and Company. Of course, as the deadline approaches, the pressure of not passing on an opportunity to land a player like Gonzalez may cause the Bills to push a deal through regardless of what else happens.

As far as the Giants, they were most likely waiting until after their Monday night game at Cleveland to get a better evaluation of their tight end position, before deciding to up their offer or not. In that 35-14 loss, Giants tight ends Kevin Boss and Michael Matthews totaled two catches for 37 yards.

Finally, when it's all said and done, the Chiefs may be content with holding on to their future Hall of Fame tight end, at least through the end of the season. He is, after all, the face of their franchise, and they may feel like they can still give him his wish and still receive the compensation they're looking for by waiting until the 2009 draft to deal him.

I'll have more info if and when it comes available to me on Tuesday.
This guy has proved to be VERY reliable in the past.

salsports.com (I can't seem to post the link, but you get the idea!)

Dylan 10-14-2008 12:20 AM

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As far as the Giants, they were most likely waiting until after their Monday night game at Cleveland to get a better evaluation of their tight end position, before deciding to up their offer or not. In that 35-14 loss, Giants tight ends Kevin Boss and Michael Matthews totaled two catches for 37 yards.
Mr Bills Phan:

While your friend has his finger on the pulse -- Would you do me a favor? CAn you ask him if he heard why the Giants placed two very active players on the inactive list in Monday nite's game?

Team members that are most vital and productive to the team. WR that had scored a couple of TDs a week ago, and a DE that's a player on the team.

TIA...It's late and I gotta to go to bed now. i'll be back tomorrow.

Chiefs need a DE? We also have an extra kicker -- We'll just throw him. Let's all make Kristie happy.

OnTheWarpath15 10-14-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5113330)
Could be Warpath but I have seen Tony quoted earlier this year saying he wanted to play for 3-4 more seasons if he stayed healthy.

I haven't seen that, but I have seen where he said that he'd definitely play in 2009, but is considering hanging it up after that season.

Hammock Parties 10-14-2008 10:54 AM

Update coming.

This one...is free.

Brock 10-14-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5114335)
Update coming.

This one...is free.

That's probably about what it's worth.

sedated 10-14-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5114335)
Update coming.

This one...is free.

that's good news, now you might actually get someone to read it.

Hammock Parties 10-14-2008 11:08 AM

EDWARDS’ PRESS CONFERENCE MOVED
Posted by Mike Florio on October 14, 2008, 12:11 p.m. EDT
It might mean something. Then again, it might mean nothing.

The Chiefs have announced that Herm Edwards’ press conference has been moved from 3:00 p.m. EDT to 4:00 p.m. EDT.

The timing is significant because the trade deadline is 4:00 p.m. EDT. Our guess is that the Chiefs want to have Edwards available in the event that he’s needed for any negotiations or strategery sessions from 3:00 until 4:00. Or, possibly, they’re working on something and they want to have the extra time to get it done (or not get it done) before Edwards meets the media.

Three Chiefs currently are known to be on the block — tight end Tony Gonzalez, running back Larry Johnson, and (per Jay Glazer during his Monday spot with Whitlock on Rome) linebacker Napoleon Harris.

DeezNutz 10-14-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5114401)
Our guess is that the Chiefs want to have Edwards available in the event that he’s needed for any negotiations or strategery sessions from 3:00 until 4:00.

ROFL

Yeah...

morphius 10-14-2008 11:14 AM

Harris? Really? That guy should be available for free, and the Chiefs should kick in the plane ticket.

arrowheadnation 10-14-2008 11:27 AM

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Someone just called into Benigno and Banks and claimed he was at the Giants hotel in Cleveland, He said Drew Rosenhaus was there and supposedly the deal is done from what they over heard.
That is from a NY Giants message board I was just reading. It claims that they're trading us Sinorice Moss and a 5th rounder for Tony. They also claim it makes sense because Moss caught two TD's last week and was inactive this week.

Of course take this with a grain of salt. I find gossip like this interesting and figured some of the rest of you might too.

Hammock Parties 10-14-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation (Post 5114451)
It claims that they're trading us Sinorice Moss and a 5th rounder for Tony.

.

There is no ****ing way that's true.

Rooster 10-14-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5114401)
Our guess is that the Chiefs want to have Edwards available in the event that he’s needed for any negotiations or strategery sessions from 3:00 until 4:00.


:spock:

Donger 10-14-2008 11:47 AM

What are the odds that a player of Tony's caliber could be had in the 3rd round? 1 in 20?

beach tribe 10-14-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5114517)
What are the odds that a player of Tony's caliber could be had in the 3rd round? 1 in 20?

More like never, but age is a factor, although I believe if he goes to a good team he will be a 70 catch TE for another 4 yrs.

OnTheWarpath15 10-14-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5114517)
What are the odds that a player of Tony's caliber could be had in the 3rd round? 1 in 20?

Why does that player have to be comparable in talent to Tony?

If he's NOT traded, then he's likely retiring after the 2009 season anyway, and then we have NOTHING to show for it.

It's like the talk about "replacing" Jared Allen.

This team has so many holes, I'd rather have several solid starters for the next 10-12 years, than one player - who's proven he was playing for the big payday.

If we traded TG, and used the draft pick to select, say, a RG who becomes the anchor of the OL for the next 10 years, then it was absolutely worth it. Or a MLB. Or any solid starter.

And if they pick an absolute bust, then it was STILL worth it, because we weren't winning WITH Gonzalez to begin with. We have nothing to lose.

Fans are letting sentimentality get in the way of business.

Otter 10-14-2008 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5114517)
What are the odds that a player of Tony's caliber could be had in the 3rd round? 1 in 20?

I was thinking the same thing, can't believe the Giants wouldn't part with a 3rd round pick for 2 or 3 years of having Gozno in the backfield. He's the best in the game at his position, arguably the best ever.

Donger 10-14-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5114540)
Why does that player have to be comparable in talent to Tony?

If he's NOT traded, then he's likely retiring after the 2009 season anyway, and then we have NOTHING to show for it.

It's like the talk about "replacing" Jared Allen.

This team has so many holes, I'd rather have several solid starters for the next 10-12 years, than one player - who's proven he was playing for the big payday.

If we traded TG, and used the draft pick to select, say, a RG who becomes the anchor of the OL for the next 10 years, then it was absolutely worth it. Or a MLB. Or any solid starter.

And if they pick an absolute bust, then it was STILL worth it, because we weren't winning WITH Gonzalez to begin with. We have nothing to lose.

Fans are letting sentimentality get in the way of business.

I think you're missing my point. Tony's a known quantity. Can the same be said about a draft pick?

OnTheWarpath15 10-14-2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5114579)
I think you're missing my point. Tony's a known quantity. Can the same be said about a draft pick?

Nope.

A draft pick has the potential to help this team for the next 10-12 years.

Can the same be said about Tony?

Dylan 10-14-2008 12:49 PM

http://blog.nj.com/giants_impact/200...orice-moss.jpg
New York Giants WR Sinorice Moss was a healthy inactive Monday in Cleveland.

Are the New York Giants prepared to deal Sinorice Moss as part of a package for Tony Gonzalez?
by John Shabe / NJ.com
Tuesday October 14, 2008, 12:34 PM

With this afternoon's NFL trade deadline looming, The Star-Ledger's Mike Garafolo thought he caught a tip that the Giants might be prepared to trade WR Sinorice Moss as part of a Tony Gonzalez deal. Did you see this item he had last night?

It's the third time Moss has been a healthy scratch this year, so what's the big deal?
Well, the trading deadline is Tuesday. So did the Giants have a trade worked out for Moss and did they want to make sure he didn't injure himself? Perhaps they had a trade worked out with the Chiefs for tight end Tony Gonzalez?

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ts_prepar.html


:D

farmerchief 10-14-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 5114723)
http://blog.nj.com/giants_impact/200...orice-moss.jpg
New York Giants WR Sinorice Moss was a healthy inactive Monday in Cleveland.

Are the New York Giants prepared to deal Sinorice Moss as part of a package for Tony Gonzalez?
by John Shabe / NJ.com
Tuesday October 14, 2008, 12:34 PM

With this afternoon's NFL trade deadline looming, The Star-Ledger's Mike Garafolo thought he caught a tip that the Giants might be prepared to trade WR Sinorice Moss as part of a Tony Gonzalez deal. Did you see this item he had last night?

It's the third time Moss has been a healthy scratch this year, so what's the big deal?
Well, the trading deadline is Tuesday. So did the Giants have a trade worked out for Moss and did they want to make sure he didn't injure himself? Perhaps they had a trade worked out with the Chiefs for tight end Tony Gonzalez?

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ts_prepar.html


:D


More "rumor" from the Giants board a few minutes ago....

.As per giants101, there is supposed to be a deal on the table for gonzo, involving moss and a 5th round pick
Rumors Swirl - Giants Close to Gonzo Deal?

We've been doing all we can to get some information on this Tony Gonzalez situation here at Giants 101, and I've just received word that a Gonzalez deal is on the table. The deal reportedly involves Giants third-year wideout Sinorice Moss and a mid-round draft pick - possibly a 5th round pick.

However, I've also been told that the Buffalo Bills have made a significant offer to the Chiefs for Gonzalez as well, that could include a higher draft pick than the mid-round pick the Giants have on the table along with Moss.

Updates to follow here on Giants 101..

afchiefs 10-14-2008 12:54 PM

This guy could just be blowing smoke but look at the member coments

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...-on-trade-news

Dylan 10-14-2008 12:59 PM

stick with the story I posted ---

"Package"

Sounds as if they're trying to get something done

not that i know anything... trust me i don't have war room information.

i just loves football lol

Stinger 10-14-2008 01:04 PM

According to the ESPN Radio update Micheal Smith says it now looks like the deals to trade TG are unlikely. Several formal offers have been received but only mid round picks were offered and the sources say the Chiefs will not move off of their demand of a second.

Sure-Oz 10-14-2008 01:05 PM

Well i guess Tony GEEE will get his ceremony and speak out how much we blow the rest of the season


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