Bowlen has NO SAY in the matter. NONE.

The dudes have been friends for twenty #$%^%* years. Wake up. The world doesn't revolve around the desires of Chiefs Planeteers.

he would actually only be paying him for the amount of his balance of his contract to coach the broncos, the chiefs would be paying for his coaching duties:D

I am sure he wouldn't be happy about it but he should have thought about that before he fired him.

Also from what I understand Bowlen owes alot of money to the coaches that he let go this past month so I am sure he would like for some of them to get jobs so he doesn't have to pay the full amount.

In the end Bowlen is a business man and I am sure he would rather pay $3.5 million instead of $7 million.

What the **** does friendship have to do with business? Not a damn thing. I have no doubts Shanahan RESPECTS Bowlen, but you're ****ing crazy if you think Shanahan isn't going to look out for himself before he looks out for Bowlen. He doesn't owe Bowlen jack doo diddly squat. He was FIRED. Do you not comprehend that? FIRED by his BFF.

WRONG. That was for Holmgren - Head Coach Holmgren - with no GM duties. Keep up. As someone (I'll put the name in later*) said above, it was probably inflated to get Holmgren to give up the GM role - which is exactly what I've been saying, it will cost MORE to hire Shanahan without the GM role.

[edit] * Well, what do you know, it was YOU. Did you forget?

People are fooling themselves if they think Shanahan isn't at least a LITTLE pissed off at Bowlen. Football is Mike Shanahan's life. Quarterbacks are the biggest part of that life. Three years ago Shanahan drafted a franchise quarterback and he was just beginning to pay off. Pat Bowlen took Jay Cutler away from Mike Shanahan.

It's sort of like if FOX had fired George Lucas after he had worked on Star Wars for two years and given it to another director. Do you not think he would be pissed off at FOX? Do you not think he would want to go to a competing studio and make a similar science fiction epic?

Oh yeah, this is like the end of Aliens, make no mistake. Jay Cutler is newt. Pat Bowlen is the alien queen. And Mike Shanahan just got in his power loader and yelled "GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH!"

What does businessman Mike Shanahan owe the Hunts? Why would he take less from them than anyone else? What makes you think the Chiefs can get Shanahan - or anyone - at subprime?

Remember - Shanahan gets the $7 million if he does NOTHING. The scenario ESPN offered doesn't make him one extra cent.

Cost more?? That's ****ing absurd.

Even including Holmgren it still averages out to $3.25 mil. and he's GONE-we should technically take him out of the equation.

I expect Shanny will make more than $3.25 million, but you need reservations for the looney bin, if you think it will cost $8-9 million to sign Shanny as just the Head Coach. NFW.

Hello? have you not heard a word we have said?


BECAUSE HE WILL BE HEAD COACH ONLY!!!!!!!!

Hello? Have you not heard a word I have said?

HE WOULDN'T GET ONE EXTRA CENT FROM THE ESPN SCENARIO THAN IF HE DID NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!

I imagine Holmgren's salary wasn't adjusted down when his GM duties were stripped.

Earth to Orange, come in Orange. Are you reading?


"Hello..?"
"Yes, a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd.
Will you accept the charges from United States?"

"Oh, He hung up! That's your residence, right? I wonder why he hung up?
Is there supposed to be someone else there besides your wife there to answer?"

"Hello?"
"This is united states calling, are we reaching..."

"See he keeps hanging up, and it's a man answering."

Actually that's an apt comparison. I fully remember Carl was described as this young football golden boy and a savior to a franchise that hired him, much the same way Pioli is now. Then he hired a successful established HC, much like Pioli (seemingly) has now. He is comparing the situations, not the collective talents. I think Carl was good until he became too big in this organization.

The last owner not to comply? What about THE ROONEYS?

BREAKING NEWS: ESPN SAYS THE ROONEY FAMILY ARE RACISTS

I concur.

I don't want Shannarat here if he wants shared GM duties.
And I don't think Pioli is dumb enough to give them to him.

So everyone should just chill the **** out.

Shanahan said he thought the Broncos' offense, with its cast of young stars such as Pro Bowl selections Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, would have the team in the hunt for another championship in the near future.

"I'll always be part of that," he said. "I'll always be rooting for them. Hopefully we can get it done."


Notice he said "we." He still bleeds blue predominantly orange.

Oh how sweet. Either way Bowlen is going to take it up the ass on this one.

This. I am quoting you to indicate my profound agreement with your insightful comment.

That's precious. Really, it is.

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

Says the 40-year-old virgin.

How many job openings are there going to be next year? Probably, not many. If Shanahan wants to coach in the NFL for a non-crazy owner who will also have an opening.....

I put it at least 50-50 he lands here this weekend.

I'm definitely precious. Mike Shanahan, however, is not. He's about as cutthroat as they come.

[QUOTE=orange;5421377]orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?[/QUOTE]

uuuummmmmmmm, he LIKES to coach and a challenge????
oh and that was a question not an answer (referencing what is underlined)

The Cowboys are the obvious target. Yes, the owner is crazy... but that crazy owner has three Super Bowl rings so he knows a little something about football. If he can extract roster control from Jones, Shanahan is Dallas-bound in a heartbeat.

JASONSAUTO - you got REP (read it) - but that doesn't mean I agree with you, only that it's a fair suggestion. I don't think that competitiveness is enough to drive Shanahan to burn his bridges with Bowlen. He's not out of options.

Yeah. NFL head coaches hardly ever get fired.

Good grief... :shake:

You don't seem to UNDERSTAND that Shanny is going to make $7 million a year for the next 3 years from BOWLEN, unless he finds work ELSEWHERE, in which the difference will be made up by whoever hires him, thus FREEING UP MONEY for Bowlen. Bowlen OWES that to him , since he FIRED him-that's what having a contract is all about.

He won't be taking less, he's making $7 mil next year and the two after that whether he works in the NFL or not. He's OWED that.

A back-loaded contract. 2 million year 1, 2 million year 2, 2 million year 3, 10 million year 4.

not going to happen until jones dies he will be al davis in 20 years

LOL

You would have a better chance of extracting control from Al Davis

He likes Vaseline on his uniform.

Look at the turnover the last two years...There are not that many jobs...

cinci, wash, SD if they all suck next year....name some more, given the recent turnover.

Oh, and of course the elephant in the living room, dallas...but if that hasn't been done by now....

When you get to an NFL head coach level of salary and ambition, it ain't about the money. It's about the ambition and accomplishment. No one is going to talk about you if you are sitting on the sideline.

When people think someone at this level would rather twiddle their thumbs than make something happen for the same pay either way, it makes me laugh.

Any number of teams who want Shanahan, and think that their current coach isn't getting it done might fire their coach.

So, as is my style, I'm not about to go over 500 posts to catch up.

Can someone tell me the consensus of this thread? Is this legit?

Because football coaches coach.

Why would Eric Mangini jump right back into the water to coach when he could sit on his ass and collect a fat paycheck from the Jets?

Why would Scott Linehan coach as a coordinator for basically nothing while the Rams pay his entire paycheck?

Why would Mike Nolan coach the defense in Denver when the 49ers are on the hook for his salary?

I know my lazy ass would sit there and collect my money, but I'm not a football coach.

Stop acting like you're surprised that Shanahan would be interested in the Chiefs.

1) They have solid ownership
2) They have a top evaluator
3) They have loads of cap room
4) They have a high draft pick
5) They have a great fanbase that would worship Shanahan forever if be coached a winner here.
6) He knows the division

It's really not rocket science why he would coach again, and why it MIGHT be with the Chiefs.

Do I think he's coming here? No, I don't.

But is it hysterical watching Bronco losers spend their entire night on a CHIEFS board trying to refute any chance of it happening? Absolutely.

According to that article, 17 teams showed interest in Shanny and yet he's still unemployed. Kind of blows that theory out of the water.

All of which are good points, and I too think he's not coming here. I think we're waiting until after the Super Bowl to make a final decision. Hell, it took them this long to finally let go of Herm.

Because he wants to coach, and he sees the Chiefs as a good opportunity?

You're turning me on a bit.

I understand that exactly. You don't seem to. Let's spell it out:

- Shanahan does nothing - collects $7 million.
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $3.5 million - collects $7 million (Bowlen makes up the difference and their friendship is ruined)
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $7.5 million - collects $7.5 million (all from the Hunts, Bowlen grins and bears it)

Now, what's in it for Shanahan to take the second option?

I must say, the fear in the form of absolute, albeit uninformed, certainty that Shanahan is not the Chiefs next coach from Broncos fans is worth its weight in gold even if it doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=orange;5421458]I understand that exactly. You don't seem to. Let's spell it out:

- Shanahan does nothing - collects $7 million.
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $3.5 million - collects $7 million (Bowlen makes up the difference and their friendship is ruined)
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $7.5 million - collects $7.5 million (all from the Hunts, Bowlen grins and bears it)

Now, what's in it for Shanahan to take the second option?[/QUOTE]

maybe with the economic times NO team will pay out that kind of money to ANY HC???

Because football coaches don't sit on their ass and collect a paycheck. They didn't become football coaches to do that. They have the ego and the intensity to put competition AHEAD of money. Sure, they want to get paid, but they BECAME football coaches to compete.

I would also like for you to show me where Pat Bowlen said they wouldn't be friends anymore if he coached the Chiefs.

You would only do that to screw Bowlen. There is no other reason.

Shanahan doesn't hate Bowlen.

By Orange's logic, no fired coaches would ever work because they could just sit on their ass and collect a check.

What bullshit, flawed logic.

Shanahan also isn't tonguing his ass like you want us all to believe.

It's called self-interest, and it's what motivates human behavior.

I understand exactly. You don't seem to. Let me spell it out:

...and stabs his mailman in the face out of insanity.

Shanahan has every reason to screw Bowlen.

uh oh the denver fans throw down(on a chiefs board no less)

Again, I'm not saying that. I'm saying giving the Chiefs a DISCOUNT while sticking Bowlen for the rest of the $7 million will end their friendship. Don't you think so? You would be happy to pay someone to go work for your competitor?

Gee, maybe he's familiar with the division. Gee, maybe he enjoys coaching. Gee, maybe he and Bowlen aren't as close as you wish, otherwise please explain their being BFF and then being shitcanned by his BFF. Business is business, Bowlen PROVED that loud and clear to his BFF-did he not?

Sorry, Shanny doesn't owe his BFF a ****ing thing, in fact, knowing how competitive he is and what he's said about Pioli, I'd be surprised if Shanny doesn't take the job.

I think your posts are showing that you really just don't want this to happen, so you aren't using sound reasoning.

The drunk just fired him. Why wouldn't he want to screw him over?

I don't think these rumors have merit based on what's been revealed at this point, but this idea that Shanahan has no reason to want to screw Bowlen... That just naive.

None whatsoever. .500 over the last three years. Revolving door DCs, with record bad defenses and seson-ending collapses. One playoff win in a decade.

That only keeps you employed in Kansas City.

So is shanny not coming here?? Since espn says a source says a deal is unlikely....

Shanahan had a contract.

Bowlen didn't honor the contract.

The way you talk, Shanahan should have given Bowlen a discount to coach because of their friendship.

Short answer...

Nobody has a clue.

hey now what about detroit???

If you weren't so nervous about this happening, why did you spend your whole night on a Chiefs message board trying to put out the flames?

disturbing image.

Dont think it would be much of a fight.

why??

And they don't take less than the market price for their services, either.

I don't know very successful coach, but his strong ties to Denver, have me fighting this strongly. I don't know how strongly I could be behind this.

Completely unknown. We only have contradicting information.

I'm sure Orange has the pictures of it happening. He is the expert on the relationship between Bowlen and Shanahan.

Nothing better to do. You?

I see....interesting but it says we still are targeting him but Mort thinks we get Todd Haley instead...

It doesn't even have to be aimed at screwing Bowlen. A back-loaded contract essentially allows Shanahan to get paid by Bowlen and Hunt.

0nce again in these economic times what is "market value"?

He would be getting market value. It just wouldn't be all from one employer. The money still counts the same in his checking account.

Because we kick the living shit out of those turds.:D

I spend most of my free time on here.

I just know that I wouldn't be over at the Mane refuting any potential rumor that had Marty Shottenheimer going to the Broncos after the 1999 season.

Well, Mort was just on Sports Center, backtracking completely off his earlier position and saying that the Rat is being targeted, but nothing more.

So, basically, we know nothing, other than Herm got whacked.

Which is definitely a good start.

Now, I'm going to watch Battlestar Galactica.

Bingo.

Wrong. Bowlen is honoring the contract. That's the whole point of this discussion. Shanahan will get his $7 million x 3 years.

Your guaranteed the PAY, not the work.

not fight us, each other