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he controlled the T.O.P. for 38 minutes against the 2nd best defense the NFL has seen in 20 years...and won MVP in the game. What a ****ing myth that is... Manning outplayed Brady (who through a season ending pick that year) in the AFC Championship game...and then played a marvelous game in the Super Bowl...they were down 7-0 and then he threw a 3rd and 20 pick on their first series...and then all he did after that was control the clock for 2/3 of the game and win in easy fashion against a defense that took Rex Grossman to the Super Bowl. |
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here comes wes welker cut by the chargers traded by the dolphins leads the league in catches? |
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oh, and brady never threw a season ending pick in the superbowl. |
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and that's why this shifted from Manning GOAT to Montana... No one is talking about Brady anymore because that debate is CLOSED. Everyone knows it... The Colts are still going to be in the mix every year...the Patriots are going to be like the Celtics now...they'll probably win their division...and then they'll lose in the 1st or 2nd round... They are done. That onside kick doesn't happen...the Colts probably win. That extra possession swung the entire momentum of the game...gave the Saints a 13-10 lead before the Colts answered...the Colts go up 17-6...the Saints are playing catch up rather than the Colts... When they went up 24-17 Manning KNEW they had to score with 3+ minutes left (which is why they were in such hurry up mode) because otherwise the Saints would march down into field goal range and just end the game in regulation...with 3 minutes and 3 TO's they had a little leeway... A play no one talks about that really helped the Saints was when that dude got injured on 3rd and 5 and they went to an injury timeout...Manning was tearing them apart with the hurry up...that gave them a chance to regroup and call a play and have the right personnel out there...and then he throws the pick. |
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they traded a 2nd and 7th for him and only a 4th for Moss... They expected Welker to patrol their slot the way he has... |
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I'm not going to spend my day off arguing with 3 17 year old kids who were still breast feeding when Brady won his 1st Super Bowl...the same postseason where he threw 1 TD pass.
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If Dwight Freeney is healthy.....the Colts win.
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a 50% win to loss ratio in the playoffs reflects the best of all time i think
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Look, he's won four MVPs. I'm not blind to that. It's hardly like I missed that fact. Or that he has more MVPs than anyone in NFL history. Well done. Applaud. But we'll see what 2010 and beyond brings. Quote:
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Look, honestly, I've always said I'd be perfectly happy with EITHER as my QB. You can tell me Manning is better, but all I see is far too many playoff choke jobs which make me REALLY happy to have Tom Brady and three rings and not Peyton adn one ring. Thanksallthesame. Quote:
And as I said, except for you and a few others, there isn't much talk of Manning as GOAT either. |
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Or are you honestly telling me that you think Brady has had the same caliber of WRs/TEs/RBs that Manning has had. I note that Branch, Givens and others haven't exactly lit it up since leaving Brady's side... |
if manning wasnt such a nice guy everyone in the world wouldnt be so pro-manning. the 1 SB he won its well known that his rbs/defense outplayed him but he still gets MVP and gives people reasons to be on his nuts
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its and automatic GIVEN that collie and garcon will blow when they leave indy |
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Wow, who knew. |
i wish i wasnt "17" so the facts i bring up would count.
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doboshow you wanna play some xbl since this clown has clearly ducked out of this conversation
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The Colts OL dominated the Bears, running for over 180 yards. Their defense, meanwhile, had two picks, one for a TD and held the offensively-challenged Bears (a fairly mediocre SB team, BTW) to less than 300 yards of total offense. But yeah -- it was all Manning... Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. |
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Given how little time he had, I thought Brady played very well. Better than Meltdown Manning likely would have. |
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Manning wins awards for being nice. <=== best argument ever!!! |
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See there are other aspects to the game than just the QB's. But you can go as far as saying that Manning prob would have thrown their defense off guard with his audbles and changing at the line etc. No one does that like Manning, not even Brady. I can go on and say that the Colts defenses in 2002-03 etc have prevented Manning from going to more SB's than he's been in. |
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But that's Brady's fault? That's a joke, to be honest. Did you knwo the Patriots had FORTY-FIVE (45) yards rushing that game? Average of 2.8 yards. And even though Brady was under pressure all day and sacked five freaking times, he threw ZERO picks. How many did Manning throw the other day against the Saints when his jersey barely got dirty all day? Oh right, just the one I guess... Quote:
Of course, none of this has resulted in anything more than one SB win for Peyton -- a game in which he had a thoroughly pedestrian performance by the way -- in his career, but that's ok. His sweat smells like roses too.... Quote:
I can go on and say that the Colts defenses in 2002-03 etc have prevented Manning from going to more SB's than he's been in.[/quote] You didn't see the Patriots 2002 defense much did you? Or '05... Or '09 for that matter. It wasn't pretty, really. No pressure on QBs and a serious problem with stopping the run. |
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Best part of the SB was watching mangina throw the pick to seal the loss-thats gonna leave a mark on his rep-lol
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Of course nothing will change your mind. You're a Pats fan. Switch Peyton and Tom Badass to the other team and Peyton has more SB's the Brady. not even close. |
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I think it was the best the I could hope for Manning. He played good but not great and when it counted he choked. I have to confess when he threw the interception I still thought the Colts could win but he didn't let me down.
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Ok, assuming that you are saying that the 2000 Ravens D is better than that Bears D. A list of defenses in the last 20 years that were better than the 2006 Bears D... The list is too long to list. They were 3rd in Points and 5th in yards. They weren't even the second best defense of that ****ing year. |
Did you know that Peyton Manning also built all the talent for the 90's Bills, the expansion Carolina Panthers, and the Indianapolis Colts?
He did this by controlling the mind of Bill Polian, even when he was 13. |
I'm going to repost this for posterity, because I want to see how Hootie either A) dodges the argument, or B) deflects it away to something else:
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Control freaks Manning and Belichick coexisting
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after that the Colts offense controlled the ball for 38 minutes and he won the MVP... but yeah he didn't do anything to win that game... Just like he didn't do anything to beat the Patriots the game before that. Whatever. Peyton Manning > Tom Brady Has always been, will always be. |
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Did you see the passes Manning delivered (before the pick, of course) in the face of pressure? He made 3 or 4 UNBELIEVABLE, LEGENDARY 3rd down passes. Passes Brady could NEVER make. |
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Sorry, they don't stand out clearly in my mind... |
Sometimes I wonder if Hootie knows the definitions of the words he uses.
There was one legendary pass in that game. And Tracy Porter caught it. |
Hamas my argument never was against Brees...Brees executed his gameplan FLAWLESSLY...whichever team won the QB was going to be MVP...
Brees also didn't have to make a tough pass all game long. That's all I said....and that's isn't a bash on Brees in the least...who knows...maybe he does have to make a tough pass and maybe he completes it... but the fact of the matter is... Dink and dunk, dink and dunk...and the Dungified Colts D never adjusted...and made it easy street for Brees and that offense... Which put all the pressure on the Colts offense after that onside kick...and Peyton responded once...and couldn't respond again...Vilma made a few great plays on deep balls I thought were going to be Manning TD's to Collie... but I was saying when they fell down 24-17 they had to score in 1:30 or so...with more than 3 minutes otherwise they were fucked...and that's what they tried to do...you didn't see the pre-snap Peyton Manning shit because he didn't have time to do it... and that's when the forced pick came... Hey...a bad read/pass at an inopportune time...no doubt about it...but like I said about Favre the week before...not a choke job. The Saints did everything right to win that game...Payton rebounded nicely from that abysmal NFC Championship game... But the Saints played better on offense, better on defense, made ballsier calls, and got an extra possession... and that "turnover" on 4th and goal ended up being a gift for them...best case scenario worked out because of that... If they had just kicked a field goal there is little doubt in my mind Peyton marches down and gets at least 3 before halftime. |
and I was more impressed with Pierre Thomas than Joseph Addai in that game...regardless of how one long run paints the statistics in the game.
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Actually, Manning got the ball with 6 minutes left, not 3, so that argument is null and void too.
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It sure as hell wasn't "legendary," but the pass that Manning completed to Clark--I believe--while rolling out to his right, putting the thing perfectly over two defenders and under two others, was a thing of ****ing beauty.
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Everyone knew he had to score with 3+ minutes otherwise the Saints were just going to drive and clock it...and win with a field goal... 3+ and 3 T.O.'s gave them a little leeway because they could have sat on those T.O.'s until the Saints got into field goal range... |
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and that's why you didn't see any of the pre-snap shenanigans...
they either had to score with 3+ minutes or 0:30 seconds or less to have a chance... 1+ minute and the Saints were going to win, period. 3+ puts the pressure on the Saints... < 1:30 puts all the pressure on the Colts... it was clear what they were trying to do... and that's when those INT's happen...to ANYONE |
shit...
the worst thing I saw all game was that 1st timeout the Colts used... that was handing 40 seconds to the Saints for no reason...awful, ridiculous decision and I'm not sure if Manning made it or the coaches made it or both... but it was dumb nonetheless |
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He threw a tight spiral on that interception that was legendary. Just when you think Peyton Manning had shed his habit of choking in the clutch he adds another chapter in his storied career of leading another dominant team to a big letdown. Meat Dragon you really are embarrising yourself with your dumbass excuses for Peyton.
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Change your name to the excuse dragon.
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Ill give it up to peyton. He made a few great throws.
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Eli is more clutch than peyton.
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He was 8 when Tom Brady won his 1st Super Bowl. |
IIRC, Eli is one of the few QBs whose rating actually increases in the 4th.
So saying that he's more clutch is statistically accurate, I believe. (going completely off memory--not going to look that up right now) |
clutch QB play is just some made up ****ing bullshit excuse for trying to ignore simple logic...
watch Brady play watch Peyton play one is clearly better than the other John Elway was a "clutch" QB according to most and he lost 3 Super Bowls... |
So... I'm not going to read through this stupid thread, but has Hootie accepted that Brees is better than Manning yet? Just curious if he is being a huuuge homer or if he is being reasonable.
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ROFL Brees played marvelously in the Super Bowl and executed the gameplan with precision and deserves to be Super Bowl MVP and deserves his Super Bowl ring. |
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It must suck to be so young and naive and predictable. Or maybe you are 15? 16? Did I overshoot it a few years? |
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