what books?

When did they write that book?

so they planned to trade Bledsoe all along? before he got hurt?

You wanted to lump him in the "Career Backup" category, not me.

If you REALLY want to know about the Patriots and their thinking, go to the library and read "The Patriot Reign" and a few other books about the Patriots dynasty.

he was until the Raiders gave him a chance

Gannon started 2 years in Minnesota and after sitting on the bench for 3 years he then was cut and went to the Redskins and played 3 games.

He was drafted by the Pats to play DB not QB.

You're wrong on this one....Why sign Bledsoe to that contract if he's not the future? What had Brady shown at that point?

No, he wasn't.

Do you know anything about Gannon's career? Or do you just want to argue?

Stop using facts it only confuses him.
in March 2001, Bledsoe was signed to a then-record ten-year, $103 million contract.[8] Bledsoe did not, however, finish his career with the Patriots, nor even see the opening of the new Gillette Stadium. During the second game of the 2001 season, Bledsoe was hit by New York Jets linebacker Mo Lewis while running upright to make it out of bounds. Replacing Bledsoe at quarterback, soon-to-be All-Pro Tom Brady led the Patriots to an eventual Super Bowl championship. Though he never regained his starting role, Bledsoe nevertheless proved integral to his team's playoff run when he replaced a hobbled Brady in the AFC Championship Game against Pittsburgh. Bledsoe, starting from the Steelers 40 yard line, capped a scoring drive with an 11 yard touchdown pass to David Patten to seal a 24-17 victory. In gaining the conference title Bledsoe completed 10 of 21 passes for 102 yards and a touchdown against no interceptions.[9]

Bullshit. You're talking out of your ass.

Go read the books. Or go ask people on Patriot's Planet.

Dude. Trent Edwards is a "career backup" who is starting for the bills. And the discussion started with Matt Cassel.... the career backup who also happens to be starting

Yay, anyone can quote Wikipedia.

That huge "contract" sure didn't preclude the Patriots from trading him one year later, did it?

QFT. He sucked ass with every team he was with inculing his first year in KC backing up Bono of all people.

Look back to the Thanksgiving game of 95' agains the Lioins for proof.

He was journeyman QB until he went to the Raiders.

Wow, I just saw that the jets are the first team to lose with 318 yards of rushing since 1944....
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STFU Cassels career didn't start until last year.

Uh, I know that. And when he refused, he was gone.

That doesn't mean he was a "career backup".

Was he a Franchise QB out of college? Absolutely not.

But to say he was a "career backup" is misleading and false.

He's implying that Edwards sucks

Now that I reread that.........Sorry

I appologize, you did make an appearance.

Yeah, the wind is a b!tch when you have an average arm.

You are a master of revisionist history aren't you. Notice the lack of a ? at the end of the sentence.

They traded him after Brady won the SB. Dumb****. That doesn't support your statement they thought Brady was going to start by year 3. Yea that's why the paid Drew the huge contract.

Give me a ****ing break.

He was expected to start in his third year AFTER leading his team to a super bowl...no shit...I know that. If things went to plan...Brady would have backed up Bledsoe for 10 years starting in 2001

I already mentioned Brady was tough to categorize, btw.

Team dropped more balls today.

I gave him permission to do that, so it's ok. :)

You cant use facts with Dane. Somehow a book written after the fact negates the 10 year$101 million contract.

Their negativity toward anything the Chiefs do might have something to do with it. ;)

Yeah, those games he won for the Chiefs in 1997 were an aberration.

:rolleyes:

Go read the ****ing books, Dummy.

I'm sure you're going to tell me that Pioli was the man that wanted Brady, right?

That's true. There were alot of drops that was catchable. Bowe had what, 3 drops today?

What that actually proves is that the draftubaters constantly rep each other. Not that he is popular. BTW, how do you know how many rep points he has?

There is no such thing. They have been the first ones to defend Dorsey & Albert, they laud the ability of the underplayed-but-talented players on the roster such as Morgan. This idea that the critical posters on the board aren't actually Chiefs fans or are more concerned with their own egos than with the team itself is not founded in reality. You're blind to positivity coming from them.

In 1997...he was a backup...given opportunity he showed he could be given a chance to start full time. That's why he is lumped in with those other career backup types including Matt Cassel

You are still avoiding the point you cant dispute. Where in the book does it explain Bledsoe's contract if Brady was supposed to start by week 3?

They think they're realists, I think they're just cynics.
It's unusual for Mecca to give praise to a Chiefs player, or at least that's my perception, and I'm afraid that I find that style of fandom to be tiring.

Once again don't use facts with Dane.

Gannon was stuck behind Grbac for a reason at that point. He was shitty journeyman QB at that point in his career.

You are a real ****ing moron.

The "10 year, $101 million dollar contract" was no where near those numbers. Hell, Bledsoe played 5 years beyond that contract for his career! And for two different teams.

I guarantee you that he didn't see one quarter of that contract. AND, the Patriots cap was not damaged by trading Bledsoe.

Smoke and mirrors.

Really? Is that what you think?

I'd bet that 99% of all Chiefs fans feel differently.

And I'm pretty sure we all think there would be a different outcome in 1997.

He was a backup for the same reason why San Diego cut Drew Brees and drafted Philip Rivers:

Marty Schottenheimer was a horrible evaluator of quarterback talent.

If you think they gave him a then record contract with plans to replace him 2 years later you are ****ing dumber than I thought.

The reality is you have been caught once again as the king with no clothes.

Full of shit with nothing to back it up.

I think it's funny that you guys think that we all "rep each other".

That's nonsense.

How do I know? Because he's higher on the rep chain than me and I've got 550,000 points.

I'm surprised that every Chiefs fan isn't cynical. They've been one of the worst franchises in the entire NFL. Poorly run in nearly every facet for decades.

I don't, Elway would have still beat us.

it's nothing more than playing both sides. because there is no risk involved.

You are moving the goal post.

Gannon was a career back up with no success prior. That was the point you tried to refute.

Nobody is trying to argue his success the last half of the 97 season. Except you..

You are a ****ing asswipe and you clearly no nothing about the Patriots, their way of thinking nor have you read the books about the Patriots during that time.

I'm sorry that I can't link those books to you but it would be well worth your time to read them.

And for the record, Pioli isn't the guy that wanted Brady.

What does this even mean? You're so cryptic, stevie. It obscures your wisdom.

You may be right: Marty could never beat Elway when it counted.

I reserve the right to dream, though.

:D

That's not the point. The point is the Patriots decided to take a chance on a career backup type and make him the face of the franchise. We know he was considered a career backup type because he was drafted by a team ready to hand out serious cash to Drew Bledsoe.

Dick Rehbein.

Why do you keep bringing up Pioli?


Your argument is still week as shit. Books written after the fact?

You do understand the concept that the winners write the history right?

You cannot realistically explain giving a record contract to a QB you expect to replace in 2 years and you ****ing goddamn know it. You just refuse to admit when you are wrong.

A 2nd year player is a career backup?

Ok now you are really starting to sound like sour grapes rather than lemon pie. None of that really matters in retrospect now does it?

Right, I know you know this information.

These guys are clueless and attacking me because they aren't informed.

For the record, Pioli wanted Tim Rattay.

:shake:

You keep forgetting to touch on the subject of the Bledsoe contract.

How can I personally be wrong when there are books that detail this information?

JFC, you are an ill-informed gas-bag.

I love it. Its the Stadium!! It isn't that he sucks. Its the Stadium!! Classic.
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WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Do you REALLY think that Bledsoe was GUARANTEED $103 MILLION DOLLARS?

REALLY? DO YOU?

This, audience, is the difference between being able to read, and functional literacy.

What?

This is my first foray into this part of this shitfest.

Read that Hamas post again. He didn't say that it was the stadium that was responsible for Sanchez' atrocious game. All he said regarding the stadium was that the Meadowlands has tougher conditions than Arrowhead.

So he is the reason they gave Bledsoe the contract since he was the QB coach?

Does anybody else who he'd actually listen to want to tell Dane he is wrong? His refusal to admit he is either wrong or lost in the discussion is frustrating

This moron is claiming that since the Patriots signed Bledsoe to a 10 year, $103 million dollar contract, they didn't have plans to start Brady down the road.

You know, because Bledsoe screwed up the Patriots cap THE VERY NEXT SEASON and Pioli LOVED brady.

:shake:

LOL. You are getting more transparent by the minute.

What am I "wrong" about?

And again, you deflect the question.

Seriously, Wikipedia is the basis of your argument?

Wow, you're SUCH and insider!

While true, Cassel threw for 300+ yard games at Foxboro. So you also can't make the argument that Cassel hasn't endured the conditions yet.

It's definitely an interesting thing to watch develop. There was very little talk going into the draft about Sanchez's lack of experience in the conditions.

**** it. You deal with the hog.

I've heard about the book, and heard some of the details in it, but can't comment on any of that.

But regardles of what details the book about the team's thoughts on Brady and his future, there isn't any way that Brady can be portrayed as a career backup.

In year 3 you claim which was 2 years after signing Bledsoe to the contract. Don't confuse yourself.

You are using a bunch of BS to try to back up a your weak as comments. No team signs a QB to a record deal with plans to replace him after 2 years.

Surely your not that stupid? No you aren't your just pissed you cant back your BS.

You are right. It was Mecca. But Hamas continued the crap when Arrowhead was brought up. Besides. Mecca, Hamas, what's the difference?

How come when Brodie Croyle screwed up here nobody said "Wait, he's only 22!!"?
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Yet, they traded him THE VERY NEXT SEASON.

Surely, you can't be that stupid.

From Patriot Reign:

Referencing Belichick having to make a "tough QB call", as he did in Cleveland with Kosar/Testeverde in Cleveland.

Are you refuting the contract $?

Now you are trying to use the source of my quote as a weakness even though you know its true. First sign of a losing argument is to start deflecting.

3 Interceptions, one run back for 6 and a fumble in the end zone for 6 against the Saints. 145 yards of ineptitude against Miami. 5 Interceptions today. Rarely has a 22 year old QB been this suckshit.
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Do you understand NFL contracts?

THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED.

Do you know what that means?

He's not... none of they guys from my original post were...obviously... but he was supposed to be and that's what the post was about. Career backup types like Cassel were the topic of discussion

So did Belichick.

There's a lot of luck involved in roster moves.

huge difference. That's pure speculation