They could make plays to suit the strengths of both. Just because a guy is fast doesn't mean Cassel can't hit him on a crossing route. Then if a big arm QB comes in they could be a deep threat. I don't believe you take the slower guy just because Cassel can't throw downfield.

Anyone who thinks this is going well and fully supports it answer this question...

Why do you hire a head coach who employs a downfield passing attack and then trade for a QB who's worst attribute is throwing downfield?

If thats the case this dojo would not be in balance, is that not true?

I'm sure people in Dallas didn't see much, if any, improvement after Jimmy Johnson's first year, or when Parcells finished his first season with a worse record than Perkins, or when Noll finished with a worse record than Austen.

If you think Pioli sucks and you don't have any hope for the future, why waste the next 4 years of your life involved in something that infuriates and angers you so much?

Seriously someone answer my question, I'd love to see the rationale for it because frankly it doesn't make any sense.

Talk about a strawman... geez, even the heartiest of homers would never say that things 'are going well', 'full support', 'every decision a diamond!'.

You want a black/white answer... Worst Regime Ever/Best Regime Ever.

So, Vince never won games in the final minute or two? His ability to run didnt deter teams from running too much man coverage or else risk getting burned by him? Cmon man, give the kid his props. The Titans were 0-6 and are undefeated since he was inserted into the lineup and are in the ****ing playoff picture! At the end of the day, its about winning games right? He does that and makes the games fun to watch...I think he will get things tightened up and become a guy in consideration for league mvp a couple times in his career, Im sure people will discount that too. Well see. I see a better version of Dante Cullpepper in the kid.

You dont pass on a elite talent like Crabtree because he doesnt have great speed either. A lot of/Most of the great receivers in history haven't had great speed.

I think Crabtree has enough speed to make himself a effective deep threat, but will live off the crossing routes and possession situations...and the end zone.

OK. So I've been trying to build this house for years. I hired a contractor and he build part of the house but it looked like shit and was ready to fall down. He told me he would have to tear it down and start again. So I let him and a year later, he had built nothing. So I fired him and brought in a new contractor. He was a pretty famous carpenter and had won some Carpenter of the Year awards so I figured he'd be a good contractor. Afterall, he knows what the heck he's doing. He told me it would be a long process to build a great house and that I should be patient. I was excited as hell. Award winning, great contractor was going to build me an awesome house. 11 months later, I look at my lot and nothign is build. No foundation, no studs, nothing. In fact, most of the crap from the last contractor was still there, lying around. He had hauled a couple of piles of trash away, but he had also throw away some stuff that I thought he could have used. I asked him what was going on. He told me, "It takes awhile to get the lay of the land. Afterall, I wasn't here last year. All I had was pictures of the lot and blueprints from the last contractor." "Besides" he tells me, "I had to move my family and set up a new company, find an office, hire a secretary, buy a computer and more stuff." I guess the first year was just about getting things going and getting a feel for my land. Should I have expected more out of my amazing contractor?

I have looked around. It reminds me of when you called me out for saying that Sanchez supporters were starting shit. You were absolutely right--it was the anti-Sanchez guys usually starting the shit. And I didn't realize it until you told me that. In the same way, if you look around this thread, there's maybe 1 or 2 people who are throwing outright support for Pioli. For the majority of people, they're disappointed, but willing to wait one offseason before they make a final judgment.

I think if you looked around, you'd be pleasantly surprised that that level of homerism isnt nearly as rampant here as you might think.

I made some comments that with better staff, he might do a better job in 2010 and got railed for it. There are a few people who believe his head is firmly in his ass. I'm probably guilty of overgeneralizing on this one too.

I love analogies. Let me play around. What if the contractor you hired had several electricians on that staff who were known for sloppy work? Or carpenters who were known to be so sloppy that they spent more time correcting mistakes rather than building things. My response would be: "get those guys the **** away from my foundation." The secretaries, staff, etc... are one thing. But your specialists like carpenters? I want the right guys for the job. Otherwise I'll spend way more time fixing their mistakes. But the analogy is also flawed. I would never hire the guy in the first place until he had a staff in place and if I did, shame on me. The NFL and corporate America doesn't have that luxury.

The more appropriate analogy is a company like GM. Let's assume it's 2008. Before they declared bankruptcy. There are two approaches to fixing GM. You can take a shotgun approach, immediately act on pressing issues, and adjust later if you make mistakes. Or... you can take it slow, think through the problem, prioritize your strategies, and get the right people in place before you roll in fast forward. In most of corporate America, they use the latter approach. At GM, do you want the same idiots who screwed the company up to be the ones who are also helping you dig the company out of the grave? And given the bureaucracy of the company, don't you want the entire company working under the same vision as opposed to your operations guys focusing on cutting costs, your finance guys focusing on growing the company, and your marketing guys focusing on more expensive customer service? There are lots of great ways to immediately bump up the stock price, but the only way to get the company moving is to get the entire organization to move in one specific vision and to have the foundation and structure to make things happen.

And if you're an accountability guy like Pioli, do you want a bunch of scouts on your staff who don't care about deadlines, were never really pushed hard to have relentless work ethics, and maybe aren't the most talented guys you would hire for yourself?

I really don't care that we didn't make a big splash in the free agency market last year. I don't mind taking it slow. But that being said, he has to earn our trust that he knows what he's doing and it has to happen this offseason.

What I find most annoying are claims to the effect of, "Pioli is building this thing the right way."

When pressed as to why and what he's building, there are no specific answers given, just a return to cliches or to personal jabs about message board GMs.

I'm sincerely interested in how we're supposed to have anything more than blind faith in this guy based on the level of stupidity we've seen out of him thus far in KC.

People have alluded to other rebuilding processes, like Dallas in '89, but the foundation that was set there is nothing like what's happened here.

Good point, Zilla. All analogies are flawed, but it was fun. I don't want my GM coming in making stupid decisions without a thought. But I also don't want my GM to have paralysis by analysis. I want my GM to plan and organize and make good decisions quickly. You might actually turn GM around, but unless you make some good decisions soon, you may go bankrupt before you get a chance for the process to work. And no, I am not a Gen X, Gen Y or Milleniumer. I am a Baby Boomer. I understand patience.

I don't think anyone's saying he's building it the right way. I've seen no proof to suggest that he is so far.

But on the same token, it's way too soon to say he's building it the wrong way. And I think a lot of people are on that road right now.

That is where I am coming from. Pioli has made some mistakes no doubt about it but IMHO he has earned the right to have a honeymoon to turn this organization around. But at the same time every year that we don't get back to the playoffs the smaller the benefit of the doubt he gets but this year he gets a Free Pass card.

I understand others don't feel the same way but that doesn't mean they are wrong or I am wrong we just disagree.

I don't necessarily think people are saying he's building it the wrong way - more along the lines of not building at all.

45 players in and out of here, and not one core player that can be built upon - no pass rusher, no playmaking WR's, no game changing LB's, no franchise QB - nothing.

Unless you want to argue that Tyson Jackson is going to be an impact player, a true gamechanger for years to come - in which case I'm going to go grab a bottle of Makers Mark.

Yeah, but on the same token, I would rather have no direction in year 1 than to move moronically in the wrong direction. Most of the guys signed are 1-3 year guys with easy-to-cut contracts. I'd be more concerned if we signed a ton of expensive, long-term guys who ended up being busts. So far, Cassel appears to be the only one of those guys that might fit into that category.

I don't think he's moved into the wrong direction. It's just been frustrating that there hasn't been much direction at all. Maybe the direction becomes more clear now that he has Phil Emery in full charge of the college scouts. ANd maybe some of the reluctance on his part was that without an offensive coordinator and a fill-in defensive coordinator, you don't fully know what your long-term offensive and defensive plans are. I don't know. These are reasons why I'm willing to wait until this offseason to decide.

Because I have to. That's the way it is. I can't just switch teams.

And please remember... criticizing the team doesn't equal hating the team. I can criticize them without raising my blood pressure.

Oh, and here I thought you were a late arriving Royals fan, just jumping on the bandwagon. LMAO.

****ing Kansas City...

I think if we truly hated the team we wouldn't spend this much time breaking down decisions.

No. You hate the team. You WANT them to fail.

How much blame does Haley and his staff deserve for the Chiefs situation?

The Chiefs beat the defending Super Bowl Champions -- After a slow start in the first half, Cassel and the Chiefs came back strong to beat the Steelers 27-24 in OT.

So how is Haley not catching any blame for his failure to get the most out of these players after they beat the defending Super Bowl Champions? Haley should be getting some serious scrutiny.

Here is what Hines Ward had to say after the game:
Interesting -- Read this article published by the Pittsburgh Post Gazzette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09327...#ixzz0Zuk42MM8

Cassel By Half 1st half 2nd/OT
Comp-att 4-10 - 2nd/OT 11-20
Yards 35 - 2nd/OT 213
TD-Int 0-0 - 2nd/OT 2-0
Passer rtg 50.0 - 2nd/OT 125.6

-- ESPN Stats and Information

Which is why you are always around when they win. Oh wait, nevermind.

So who's to blame for the Giants' no show defense this season?

On the Giants' defense:
Bill Sheridan Giants first year defensive coordinator will most likely be fired at the end of the year -- If Sheridan is involved with this franchise next year it will cost Tom Coughlin his job. Believe it.

NY Post
(Defensive Coordinator) Sheridan on Giants hotseat
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/bunch_of_bill_oney_MhoFAB8doxe3DmDDb4Ih0M#ixzz0ZuOXn54B

100% true.

What seems to be going on around here lately though, is that any kind of positive thats raised, outside of superficial Charles, Flowers praise, is considered 'gullible homer' talk... completely beneath consideration, Negative is the New Black @ the Planet.

Cassel was right about 1 thing, even the most knowledgeable fans dont really know exactly what they are seeing on a given play... me, you & every other deliciously wordy ironic genious here included. No, its not a defense of Castles play or any other positions... Except Charles1... its a defense of the truth. Players have been saying to fans for generations 'you dont always see what you think you see' because its true.

Thats not being a ****ing homer, thats recognizing the truth... not a defense of Cassels wobbles or Haleys often questionable decisions... as much as some of you would like to think you have it all worked out... you. dont. This entire organization is learning an entirely new way of being after 20 or so years.

Pioli! Pioli! wherefore art thou Pioli!... if the 'Everything Is Wrong Period' crowd is right, lets just sell the team to Anaheim... please, lets give it some time... some bad early decisions were made regarding available talent i agree, but lets not throw the baby out with the proverbial.

Homer... thats become as used up as 'liberal'.