I'll dumb it down for you:

When Matt Cassel has a good game statistically (according to the QB rating), it is because he made those stats in garbage time.

But when I try and make a point that Tyler Thigpen had the worst game I've ever seen from a QB, someone tries to refute MY OPINION by posting a QB rating of Matt Cassel this year.

I live in Illinois, I've seen Rex Grossman put up a 0.0 QB rating. Even that game was better than the game Tyler Thigpen had last year against the Falcons.

Matt Schaub threw a pick yesterday that bounced off of Jacoby Jones' hands...I'm pretty sure that goes against his QB rating, not Jones' WR rating.

Again...QB rating can give you an idea, but it doesn't necessarily paint an accurate picture.

I guess everyone forgets Huard and his 100 QB rating in 2006.

Do they make Rosetta Stone: Frat-Tard?

I put my rambling decoder glasses on, let me know if I hit something...

Are you implying that Cassel had games with a good QB rating, but he accumulated the stats in garbage time?

If so, that happened once. Philly. You know, The game where he threw for 90 yards?

Otherwise, the only game he had a QB rating over 100 is the Steelers game - which we won, and he actually played decent.

The same Huard that you defended incessantly is now the one you use to show the fallacy of QB rating, and I'm the hypocrite?

ROFL ROFL

ROFL

And boom goes the dynamite.

Game, set and mother****ing match.

Seriously, this is like debating with the love child of Terri Schaivo and Merrill Hoge.

No...I never said Huard was a good QB...ever.

I said he was the best chance we had at winning...because he threw the ball to a covered Tony Gonzalez and it worked out more often than not...something Trent Green wouldn't do...

There are hundreds and hundreds of posts where I've always said Huard wasn't a good QB...just the right QB for that Herm Edwards team...

but I was right and 90% of the board was wrong and we all moved on...

Oh my god!

Wow.

What do you know everyone?

hamas and otwp are following each other around with LMAO emoticons!

What do you know? This is certainly something new!

Hootie in this thread:

http://www.misanthropytoday.com/wp-c...atty_moped.gif

I knew exactly what was going to happen but forgot to tell anyone.

Don't ask me to make any predictions now because, for some reason, I've lost the gift.

Hamas said earlier this year that Tony Romo was the worst QB in the NFL...but he's bashing me for bashing Thigpen after his performance against Atlanta last year...without ever looking at my posts where I compared him to a Tony Romo light all of last year after his nice little stretch...a more raw version of Tony Romo (who got to watch from the sidelines for 4+ years)...

Of course I was the first one on this board to dub Jamaal Charles "Chris Johnson light" but I'm just a moron...(and I might be since he might even be just as good as CJ...drop the light)

Well, that statement was full of fail on my part.

Obviously, I was trusting in the wisdom of Pioli. ;)

See this is all you ever have against me...

If people really do "win" threads...

I'd love to see someone without bias look at this thread between our posts...but make them "ghost style" without the username and then try and tell me that you're "winning" this thread against me.

You've looked like a moron the whole ****ing time...just because OTWP is chasing you around with LMAO emoticons doesn't mean a thing...that dude took Athan's story as gospel early in this thread to further push his anti-Pioli/Haley agenda...

Remember when you left the board forever? You can't ****ing STAND being in the minority and having people fire back at you....but you're too stubborn to ever admit when you're wrong...I bet your head will explode if we ever win this division under this regime.

Here we go again with Hootie's delusions...

I was in the thread first, ****stick. I'm not following anyone. I'm simply agreeing with his post.

You wouldn't know anything about that, considering people rarely, if ever agree with you.

I never said he was the worst in the NFL...ever.

Again, keep making shit up, because you can't deal with reality.

Meh. I have been called worse. And yes Tom Brady is hell of alot better QB than Romo ever will be.

Anyway we have had this discussion before Hootie so until Romo proves it in the playoffs like Peyton did he will be considered a choker. He is playing pretty good right now so he might prove me wrong this year. I guess we will see.

well maybe they should start...

I have a pretty good track record on this site...

Unless you want to cherrypick posts from a game where I was with the 100% majority on this site...

because people really thought Thigpen deserved a roster spot after the Atlanta game last year ROFL

Lets see...I'm up by about 25K in gambling challenge...I was a co-winner in the midseason playoff contest where I picked against Denver to make the playoffs AND picked the entire NFC correct 1-6...

I told mecca Chris Johnson was the best back in the NFL...LAST YEAR...

I am on record saying Tony Romo is a future hall of famer and will win a Super Bowl...

have said Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time for years and years and years...

and am on record talking about how vastly overrated Carson Palmer is...for the last three years...

but I'm just an idiot that knows nothing about anything etc. etc. etc.

"Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint."

My bad...you said he was ONE of the worst...

Sorry dude.

I assumed "flat out taint" meant you thought he was pretty much camp fodder.

So, basically, you're good at handicapping games.

Otherwise, nothing there is either solid - Palmer being overrated and Romo being a HOF are opinion and unfounded - or so ridiculously basic anyone with any football knowledge at all would agree.

Peyton Manning one of the greatest QB's ever?

Way to really go out on that limb, dude.

Someone with your grasp of logic shouldn't assume anything.

I didn't go out on a limb...

I've been arguing he was better than Brady since 2003...since right after the no punt game against the Chiefs...

I knew then that no one had ever played the QB position as good as Peyton Manning.

so by one of the worst...he probably just meant one of the worst of the top 5 QB's in the NFL?

Oh ok I got it.

P.S. I'm going to bring this up ONE time...but I was 100% right for two straight years regarding Huard/Green and Huard/Croyle...but I don't feel like rehashing that shit anymore...a new era in KC! The Jamaal Charles/Todd Haley era featuring Matt Cassel.

Dude, it's not groundbreaking. You're acting like you knowing Manning is one of the best of all time is some ****ing revelation that only you were privy to.

Gimme a break.

No shit~

Oh, FFS.

Please tell me you think Romo is a Top 5 QB.

PLEASE.

And FWIW, personally, I would take "one of the worst" as anyone from 16-32.

So if he can come up with 15 QB's he'd rather have than Romo, so be it.

Bottom line:

You're the only one invested in this, because everything was based on opinion, until you decided to say he would make the HOF and win a SB.

So, when that doesn't happen, are you going to claim it was just a joke, or that it was just TIC?

Well if you don't want to acknowledge that Brady was considered by 90% of anyone with an opinion to be better than Manning just two years ago then I guess that's your prerogative...

Just know where I always stood (on the right side of the fence)...I doubt you were there...I'm sure you jumped that fence sometime this year like everyone else...

Dude that's not fair on Neil Lomax..

Roy Green? Pat Tilley? JT Smith?

Terrell Owens... Terry Glenn... Jason Witten... Ro Williams... Miles Austin...

With CRAP Lomax still put up a 4600 yard season in 1984.

Romo has yet to do that with a freaking all star lineup around him.

If I had to rank my QB's in terms of the best QB's in the NFL...it would go like this:

P. Manning
GAP
GAP
GAP
GAP
GAP
Brady
Brees
GAP
Roethlisberger/Romo/Rodgers/Rivers/McNabb/Warner (in no particular order)

I'm sorry...

Someone please tell me how Roy Williams/Miles Austin and Jason Witten looked before the season started?

We're not going to give Romo ANY credit for the emergence of Miles Austin?

Haha.

oh and Eli is probably right with, or slightly below that final tier.

Who gives a shit who's better?

Both are sure-fire, stone cold lock 1st ballot HOF'ers.

You're arguing whether $100 in 20's is better than a $100 bill.

Damn, Kyle breaking out the old STL Cardinals history.

and yes, Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel are both in the same tier as Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler...except Cutler probably has the Romo tier potential at least.

Palmer is done. That guy is never going to be the franchise everyone thought he was going to be.

Hootie you are getting kicked around like a soccer ball in this thread~

no there is a big difference...

Peyton would have been 1st ballot on the Chiefs/Colts/Bengals/Texans/Cowboys/any NFL team...

Tom Brady stumbled into the perfect situation...you know...the same team that Matt Cassel led to 11-5 last year...

Jim Sorgi wins 2 games with the Colts last year if Manning blows out his knee week 1 like Brady...instead he wins 12 games with a team that was so inferior I don't even know where to begin...that team was an abortion because of injuries for the first half of last season and they played with a WR that was more washed up than any guy I can ever remember that used to be a star...

care to elaborate? Or are you just playing buddy/buddy with the populars? I'll assume the latter...

One last comment before I leave this beatdown...

Hootie, you're damn good at picking games, and do have decent football smarts at times, but the people that give you a hard time do so because you make shit up to try to prove a point.

If you'd stick to the facts, instead of making shit up to give yourself an opportunity to use "draftubaters" in a post, and take shots at Hamas, Dane, Mecca, etc - this place would be better for it.

Example:

You saying I pissed all over the game thread.

Again, I called it as I saw it. Which means there was some pissing. And it was deserved. But I was right there rooting for the win, and giving praise to the players that deserved it.

So, there's a huge difference, but only because you say so.

You have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claim. It's nothing but opinion.

You have no idea how Manning's career would have turn out had he been drafted elsewhere, you just like to claim he'd still he a lock HOF, and that Brady's career has been nothing but luck because it suits your argument.

well...

Like I said...I read the entire game thread from page 1-30 last night and I felt as if you were not really enjoying the game...just trying to blast Haley/Cassel whenever the opportunity arose...

can I ask you what happens if Castille completes a beautiful TD pass to Cassel?

What about that 3rd and 7 draw play to Charles where he busted a 52 yard run? If they stop him short of the chains...then it becomes a terrrrrrrible playcall according to most.

No one is every going to call the "perfect" game...but I think Haley has potential to be a solid head coach...

I said from day 1 that I was going to keep an open mind all season long and at least give the new regime a year before I started getting antsy/critical...

We'll see what happens in 2010...but as for 2009...perfect way/perfect game to end an overall shitty/unsatisfactory season.

At least it gives me a hint of optimism.

and no one knows that the Bulls would have won titles both years Jordan played baseball and could have easily won 9 titles in a row but everyone pretty much assumes that, don't they?

Dude, you know as well as I do that even if that pass is completed, it's a bone-headed call. A FB throwing to a QB? When you have the lead, on the road? In their territory? And you have all the momentum?

It was stupid, and kudos to Haley for saying it was a stupid call. Hopefully he learns from shit like that, and fake punts on 4th and 8 from your own 28 - throwing to your long snapper.

And personally, I think "giving them time" is a cop-out.

Funny how this place almost universally said that Pioli and new coaching along would get them close to .500

How people said, "Atlanta and Miami. Why not us?"

Then backed off and made excuse when it was obvious it wasn't going to happen, and had the gall to blame the old regime for being in that spot - instead of pointing the finger at the guy who brought in 45 stopgaps and no playmakers.

I think had Pioli done something, anything to get excited about, more people would be inclined to believe in this bullshit about it being a "process."

By ****ing up the 2009 offseason, he's extended that process - and it didn't have to be that way.

Yesterday was as fun a game as I've watched in years. And you haven't heard a peep from me about the change in draft position. I enjoyed the hell out of yesterday.

That win does not, however, excuse the shortcomings of the previous 11 months. Huge mistakes were made, and it's going to take an offseason of a lifetime to fix them.

I hope he can do it, but nothing he's shown me makes me think he can.

I hope I'm wrong.

hey you can write them off all you want...

My personal stance all along was to not judge too harshly, if at all, this season.

And that's where I still stand.

Looking forward to this offseason and looking forward to taking Jamaal Charles with my 1st pick in every league next season.

I am not going to get in on this on going debate except to say that I credit Mike Brown with the emergence of Miles Austin.

I'm not writing them off. They just haven't given me any reason to think he can pull off the offseason needed to get this thing back on track.

Question:

IYO, what has Pioli done to give you hope he knocks this offseason out of the park?

Well dude...

I called it right away...I knew none of you would like Pioli. Dude, that Patriots fans themselves, until a couple of years ago, ALWAYS hated EVERY single draft...that's just how it was...the Patriots drafted the players they thought fit their system regardless of whether it was a reach or not...

Hey...looking back on it...Tyson Jackson looks like a god awful pick...Matt Cassel looks less than iffy at best...Alex Magee looks like a waste...

You're right, right now...it doesn't look so great.

But like I said, I'm willing to give that draft class and Matt Cassel another year...as well as Pioli and Haley...before I get critical.

I still wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs trade up to take Clausen or Bradford if they fall past 16th or so...they have the pieces and at least we could hedge our bets on Cassel...drafting a QB towards the middle-end of the 1st is like paying for a decent QB2 anyways...and best case scenario is we end up with something similar to the Brees/Rivers situation in San Diego.

I don't feel like getting into that right now...I said all along I wasn't going to let this year impact any thoughts I'd have on Pioli...if you and Hamas want to berate that stance by me and others then so be it.

what an awful attempt at a spin. Hamas is still your daddy

YOU called it right away? That we wouldn't like Pioli?

Jesus, dude. There are mountains of posts and thread where we came right out and SAID he wasn't our first choice before he was ever hired.

Hell, I had few expectations to begin with, but he didn't even meet those.

And again, what has Pioli done that gives any impression he can meet your expectations?

Anyone? Feel free. Can anyone answer that question?

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well i, for one, am glad that he has taken his time and seen for himself if the players we had could fit in his system. i'm also glad that he didnt go out and break the bank on high (over) priced free agents BEFORE seeing first if we had someone that could play whatever role they would have played in our system. thats the key to me. we kept tank around until it was pretty obvious that he wasnt fitting then we got something for him.


hey man be glad pioli didnt take your advice on thigpen. he got a 5th rounder out of the guy YOU would have cut

And he cut players that are performing damn well for other teams.

Your point?

C'mon, Jason. Even the casual fan knew what this team had - next to nothing.

There's no excuse for not upgrading the talent. None.

This. I know if they make the same stupid decisions this yr, I'm done. I won't trust single thing they do. Most of us are skeptical of them anyway. I know I am now. I was drinking the Pioli Kool-aid last yr. After a season of fail, they need to show us something.

How would he know how some of these guys would fit in the NEW system? had they played extensively in it before?


who was cut that is performing "well" for another team? which player"s" plural.

pollard? pollard couldnt tackle for shit for THIS TEAM never did and IMO never would have. why? **** i dont know. but the guy missed how many tackles in the preseason for us? how many against the seahawks alone? look at the gif'ed up thread and see how well pollard played for us.

I'm not one that's going to argue that...

So you ignore acquiring talent because the leftovers MIGHT be serviceable in the new scheme?

Are you kidding me?

ROFL so you would bitch if he came in and cut everyone and some of them went on to be serviceable players elsewhere, and you will bitch when he keeps some and they end up not working out.


so what would have made YOU happy? to bring in half a roster of upgrades while not cutting anyone?

and what did we lose this year? we came out right about where YOU predicted us to be. why does it matter that we didnt get there just how you would have liked it

Who said anything about coming in and whacking everyone?

I'm saying it's no excuse to ignore bringing in a pass rushing OLB via the draft or FA just because you want to see if Hali can do it.

****. That.

You acquire talent first and foremost. If Hali ends up being serviceable, even better. You can mow move him to the other side, which is a gaping ****ing hole, or at worst have quality depth at a position you previously had nothing at.

Record wise, sure.

But talent wise, this team is no better today than it was when Pioli took over.

Wait, scratch that, he acquired a solid PK, and a WR3.

Carry on.

didnt he also get a 5 tech that we didnt have to start with? also a couple of linemen the could probably work out for a year or two.

We are one year into a total re-build that we all knew was going to have to happen and of course, the planet is exploding because we're not 8&8. It took Herm a few years to completely demolish a winning program and it's gonna take a few years to re-establish one.

hali worked out in that regards, no? so why overspend on a high priced pass rusher in FA? what if he didnt feel as though the draft had one that was worth our pick in a given round? no you... him. his feelings. that what he's paid for correct? and that's why he was voted wait for it i know you love this here it comes EXECUTIVE OF THE DECADE.

Are you serious?

You're going to claim that Jackson, Alleman and Ndukwe are "acquiring talent?"

You're going to ridiculous lengths to defend a guy that brought in 45+ new players, and found zero playmakers, a guy that is a borderline WR2, more like WR3, and a place kicker.

All of the elite talent, playmakers, however you want to slice it - all came from previous regimes.

After one year, that is completely unacceptable.

Yawn.

No, he really didn't.

Unless you're OK with your "best" LB getting 8 sacks a year and getting abused in the run game.

There are a handful of positions that are unlikely to be able to be upgraded:

CB, LT, K, P

You can add Charles to that list, but we have no depth, nor anyone to spell him.


Otherwise, every position on the roster could be pretty easily upgraded - and could have been last offseason as well.

Yeah, arguing with Sauto is boring.

Arguing with you is much more exciting.

so the guy rated as the BEST 5 TECH in the draft wasnt "talent" that was acquired?

what about o'callahan? he wasnt acquired? he hasnt played lights out but he has been an upgrade from who was there to start the season.

You are the one going to ridiculous lengths to bash the guy. hell you have spent all ****ing day doing just that. it was obvious you were looking for a fight at 8 am this morning and you have spent all day fighting. did you have a bad weekend? you seem a little tense today. its funny how you use tis place as an outlet. you need to yell at someone you are here. i'm just glad hootie took one for the team today.

no you're just a broken record

we get it

we do

Obviously, Sauto doesn't.

mecca has rubbed off well on this one. hell he spent quite some time asking if anyone heard him this morning, then when some replied they werent what he was looking for so he still said he was being ignored. poor guy

uuummmmm yes i do, like hootie said you are a broken ****ing record saying the same thing, over and over and over and over, and then to make it even better you say it in every thread no matter the topic.

charles=pioli
cassel=pioli
waters=pioli
everything goes back to you standing on your little box ranting about what they did wrong and what YOU would have liked to happen. Are you that ****ing spoiled that if you dont get you way you keep going over it again and again until someone caves?

Oh, FFS.

Who did we acquire that's a PLAYMAKER?

A DIFFERENCE MAKER?

An IMPACT PLAYER?

Your defense of Pioli is Tyson Jackson, who plays a complementary position, and Ryan ****ing O'Callaghan, who was no better (also no worse) than McIntosh?

Really?

That's your case?

Wow.

Well, I can't beat stupidity. I'm done.

Enjoy the Kool-Aid. Yay Pioli. Yay 2/45.

now it changes (par for the course with you) originally it was who was an UPGRADE. now it's a playmaker. just make up what you want and run with it cool guy

I'm all for firing Pioli and hiring Mecca and OTWP...with Hamas and Dane on their staff...

that's what they want...they spend so much time breaking down tape and scouting prospects...they'd be perfect hires

Didn't change anything, you just can't, or choose not to read.

The following was said early in the conversation, you just chose to focus on the talent comment, because without it, you're argument look seven more ridiculous that it already does.

Later.

Ah, Hootie's back.

Thought he might have turned a corner there for a bit - we were having a good discussion.

So much for that.

See ya, dude.

whoa you said you were done several posts ago, now youre back? cant even keep your word huh? and you have also said 45+players and only 2 were an upgrade many many times. no mention of playmakers there huh?

I can believe it. Charles couldn't hold on to the damn football.

Haha, I was reading those exchanges and thought, "Damn, they're about to kiss and make up." :)

Complaining about a trade that didn't happen. This is delicious. LMAO