Three out of Five picks will be contributors.

I don't even think anyone hates McCluster, it's more that for our team there were better picks available. Guys with equal value to McCluster that play much more valuable positions.

I am not saying you hate McCluster. I am just commenting on how you continually bring up his 40

This. Arenas the same way.

Uh I mentioned his 40 like once, don't confuse me with the other people now.

Look you can almost sell me the whole McCluster thing and make sense with it, the Arenas pick, no, that pick sucks.

I agree. I am baffled by the Arenas pick. That means he will be the best of them all LMAO

Arenas is the Dontrelle Savage of CB's.

But that's horseshit and you know it.

There's a HUGE difference between "value" today and value in two years.

Some of those guys that went lower will not live up to expectations because it happens every year.

The true qualifier will be if Pioli is right or wrong.

Not who they "could" have chosen.

I picked him in the 4th in our mock draft. That is where most everybody in the country figured he would go. He is basically just a return guy in the NFL. I love him for that but being drafted in the 2nd means he has to play nickel as well.

Great, he better really hit a homerun then because this teams front 7 is horrendous and nothing has been done about it.

No, he's not.

He got drafted in front of several CB's who have futures as starters.

I just think McCluster is a guy that brings real quickness (not speed) to the field. I was pissed about the pick til I thought about using him in the slot, getting match ups, and breaking tackles. If you love DMac and you know the Eagles are taking him, I got no problem with that pick. Gamebreakers are not a dime a dozen.

It's not a smart pick.

Period.

Lets go ahead and say he is Dante Hall (and that is a high bar to set) he's still a long shot to last 4 years at that size getting consistently pounded by guys 3x his size.

Dominating at the college level and surviving at the pro level are completely different things...

Soren Petro was talking about Gillberry playing OLB. Can he play the position? He was great last year he needs to play more IMO.

Also why take Arenas when you just took McCluster isn't he a return guy too?

Mecca, I am not picking on you bro, but you are complaing about Arenas being mocked to the 4th round. However, I think you were screaming for Griffen with pick 2A. He is still available in round 4. It works both ways.

I did agree with this too. McCluster HAS to be a good WR for this to be a good pick. Even if he is a GREAT third down back, this pick is fail cause we have Charles.

Everson Griffen must have shit on someones head, that's pretty ridiculous that he's still there.

I'm more annoyed that we didn't get a nose tackle when there were several very good NT prospects.

I think the problem with the "could" factor is the fact that we are mad that the "could" would have been better players at more important positions.

Even if McCluster works out, or Arenas, or Moeaki, do they give you the same ROI that Clausen, Cody, Griffen, Graham, Williams, or any number of prospects would?

No.

So not only do you have the risk of uncertain players, you have a lesser potential positive return.

That's just ****ing foolish,and that's why they are poor picks.

Instead of continuing to troll the shit out of this, although it has been fun, I'll just say why I'm not flipping the **** out.

When the day 2 picks were first made, of course I was pissed. I would of rather had Golden Tate, etc.

Once I got the **** over it (This part is important), I actually just looked over and tried to make sense of the actual picks. McCluster is a dynamic kid, performed well in a tough conference and brings actual speed to a team that has very little after Jamaal Charles. The Chiefs increased the speed on a offense that was slower than a blue hair in the passing lane.

Arenas is another electric player that will help make sure Charles will be fresh as the lead ball carrier on offense. Leggett sucks ass and Carr gave Jabar Gaffney a career day in Denver. I did not want him anywhere near this team before the draft started, but I have to admit it...it makes sense too. He has the same listed height as Brandon Flowers. Flowers is just fine, but Arenas is too ****ing short to be a starting CB? Are you serious?

Asamoah was just a fantastic pick by Scott and was great value.

Moeaki, I won't defend that shit.

If it were my choice, my draft would look completely different than Scotts after Eric Berry. Oh well.

So far, I feel much better at this point than I did one year ago. Dare I say it? Maybe there is some hope?

I don't think the pick sucks. Nickel back is an extremely underrated position. But there are others I would have taken there.

There are other guys I would have wanted for McCluster, but the pick seems to make sense if they're expecting to use him like Sproles. And Moeaki, in a Charlie Weis offense, makes all the sense in the world, if he can stay healthy.

So if we did, Flowers, Carr and now Arenas would be effective until age 35?

Why do you continually move the goalposts when called on your opinion?

I did agree with this too. McCluster HAS to be a good WR for this to be a good pick. Even if he is a GREAT third down back, this pick is fail cause we have Charles.

How is that moving anything, you listed the example as a guy who's been a cover 2 CB his entire career.

I get that you want to like the picks but seriously Arenas is going to have to be like the best returner in the league or be a far better CB than anyone thinks he is to make this pick look ok.

Better than the worst draft in team history= good.

Awesome

I'm not setting the bar at Dante Hall. I'm setting it at Sproles.

And if he's Sproles, I'm more than comfortable with this pick. And I think he very well could be. Unlike Hall, McCluster is built like a brick house. He may be tiny, but he's not skinny by any stretch. And if he can take 25-30 carries in the SEC, he can handle 8-10 on the pro level, especially given that a lot of his touches will probably occur on the second level of the passing game.

Apparently when you set your bar really really low, it's not hard to make people happy.

I don't think the pick will ever look okay.

But if he ends up being an effective nickel back, it's a reach, but not a huge reach.

Nickel backs are extremely important. If this team projects to be a deep playoff team a few years from now, there's no way we can win playoff games with a major hole at the position.

I was screaming for griffen too, but he would have been a reach. . . in actuality

**** you Pioli for not addressing any needs for this team...

I just honestly do not understand how this team is suppose to compete in games with no pass rush and no NT in a 3-4 defense.

You can have the best secondary ever, when the QB has all day to throw or RB's are 8 yards downfield, it won't matter much.

Berry's the right pick at 5, but I thought we'd be smart enough to at least get a NT in this draft.

Ok now look, the draft is about mixing your needs with the best available players, I don't feel we did a very good job of that in the 2nd round.

This team had 9 needs and 7 picks.

IMO I think you're being too emotional man. Theres three solid players they drafted.

Drafting a CB in the second round is like throwing a dart at a wall blindfolded. It might be one of the toughest later-round positions to draft for.

I like this pick a hell of a lot more than I liked the Donald Washington pick. Washington pick was a gamble on a guy who you expected to one day mature into a good corner. He probably won't. Arenas is a guy who will probably play really well in a specialized nickel and dime role.

It was a pretty safe pick, in my opinion. I'm not stoked about it. But it certainly wasn't any kind of a failure.

That's great I don't expect them to get it all right now but I would expect them to get players for really important defensive positions over nickel CB's.

So do you think there is any trades after the draft? Often, teams are willing to give up draft picks a year away.

The problem is. . . where will our pass rush come from? Do you really see us doing better than Hali or Vrabel?

Is Merriman even an upgrade?

I LOVE dane mccloud right now...

wow...

an objective Dane McCloud?!

I'm amazed...

Seriously...

I was SO disappointed when the Chiefs passed on Clausen at #36..

but when I did my research...

on McCluster and Arenas...

Holy shit!

We took two great players...along with Berry...we took THREE potential PLAYMAKERS...for real.

A draft if you ask me...

I see two starters, one of whom is a guard.

I two other complementary pieces drafted at the point when you are supposed to get solid starters.

Pioli is making $5 million a year. If he wants to earn that money, the standard is the Ravens, Colts, and Steelers approach to drafting.

Not the ****ing Carl Peterson Chiefs.

I dont think this pick is a guaranteed bust. I do not love it at all though. I think I have a harder time swallowing it since we traded tony g for Arenas.

Because the minute you walk into the draft expecting to do that is the minute you start reaching by drafting for need.

Nobody says you have to get all those answers this draft. But are these 4 players key pieces to the equation in the future? Yes, I absolutely believe they have the potential to be (I don't know a whole lot about Asomoah). That's what's more important.

9? That's being generous.

What was Jamal Charles a few years ago?

Hamas, you're a good poster. You deal with a lot of superlatives and seem to get off on really throwing bitch fits. Somewhere between true fan and you is reality on this draft. If the Chiefs had a great amazing perfect draft, you might commit suicide.

Even if you just change 2 guys this draft is much nicer, if you take Arenas out and put Cody in and take Moaki out and change that to Ricky Sapp or Everson Griffen, this draft even with McCluster is much better.

they took McCluster because they think he's...at the very least...Welker version 2.0...at the very least.

They took Arenas because he's Devin Hester with a position...

Both picks were GREAT picks. I don't care if you want to chastise me right now...just wait until the season starts...

Money and money...

Three picks, three dynamic playmakers...score!

You really think using pick 50 on Terrence Cody would have been a bad move?

Wait you now support drafting Cody?

Brandon Flowers, Rashean Mathis, Patrick Surtain, and Sam Madison come to mind pretty quickly.

I was always fine with him in the 2nd round, I thought everyone knew that.

I feel better about the start to this draft than I did with the one in 2008...and 2008 was ****ing awesome.

I like Moeaki. Does that make me a moron? He looks good in highlights. He obviously is an athlete too to be rated the number one high school tight end in his class. Add to that his locker room presence and ringing endorsement from Ferentz, and it looks good. Cassel needs short passing options like Dmac and a good te. Cottam may not even make the field this year, btw.

We all liked the 08 draft, you know contrary to popular belief it's not just bitching to bitch.

He's a two down player. I don't know you always made comments about how Pioli likes fat guys.

The 08 draft was not a bad draft.

Are you drunk?

A great change of pace back, kick returner, and potential slot guy who was projected as an early two, who had gamebreaking speed (both in college and at the combine) who was 30 pounds heavier and taken a round later in a thinner draft that didn't have talent at the most important positions that matched up with our needs.

That's who Jamaal Charles was.

Nah come on. I am a long time lurker. I read the board every day. I know what Hamas is about :)

If Moeaki stays healthy, he is CRITICAL to a Charlie Weis offense. Weis runs a ton of 2-TE sets and he wants guys who can both block and catch. A guy like that may not have value in a Haley offense, but he most certainly does in Weis' offense.

I don't mind taking a surefire Weis guy over a probably pretty low-percentage player like Griffen.

McCluster is a game breaker is he not?

Why don't you look up the thread I started yesterday about the Berry pick, or my reactions to the selections of Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Charles, and Morgan, to name a few, in the 2008 draft.

Hopefully he has 234 pancakes and 1,500 yards with 16 TDs :)

Then I'll be happy with the glass / tin man.

If we never draft another ****ing TE it won't be to soon.

You do throw a couple exceptions to the rule in every once in a while. I won't lie though. . . for a long time, I thought you someone's alter ego

No, he's not.

And I am not hating at all. I read your post and don't put you on ignore. You just seem happy when you are unhappy

For a low 3rd rounder? That's expecting quite a lot.

I just want a productive starter. And I think he could easily do that if he stays healthy.

That's bullshit yes he is. Did you ever watch him in college?

can't wait until we get to LOL at you for this....

just like Vernon Gholston!

Dumb ****ing idiot!

Sorry, there wasn't a sarcasm alert button I could press :p

I have to agree. McCluster is a home run hitter.

I do think a good tight end and slot receiver would add 10 points to cassel's qb rating. (insert joke about it going above 50 here)

Maybe if this wasn't the worst franchise in the NFL, there'd be more exceptions to the rule.

Ah Hootie is here to call people idiots, reminds me of last year.

Tyson Jackson made you look brilliant didn't he?

I remembe that. It took everything in me not to jump on the Gholston bandwagon when I saw his picture with no shirt on. It gave me a broner.

More superlatives. . . the worst? Come on man

Yeah. I also watched another college game breaker, Jordan Shipley.

Doing it in college, even against major competition, doesn't mean you are gonna do it in the pros.