It has nothing to do with winning or losing.

It has to do with what Cassel did in the game, which was a bunch of bullshit that people are now praising.

Which is exactly what happened in the last preseason game last year when he was 15 of 17.

That is correct, the only playoff team to do that was the 49ers.

Orton moves the ball and he's a god. Cassel moves the ball and people go back to 2009. Got it.

By the way he had two more passes over 15 yards.

And sorry, that's not what coogs is arguing.

Orton moved the ball because he threw the ball down the field.

Interestingly enough, the only good drive we had with Cassel in that game, the only TD we scored? He threw the ball down the field.

Funny how that works.

He threw three passes over 15 yards for the whole game.

They all came on the same drive.

We scored a TD on that drive.

More of that, not that dink and dunk bullshit, thanks.

Maybe. And maybe if the full game is played out with starters we comeback and win with Cassel throwing the ball more than we run it. That has happened before.

Bottom line is though, chances are when we throw it more than we run it, we are going to lose.

Clay is onto something. Checkdowns are not going to get it done. Looks good on the stat sheet though.

I agree.

Clay and I are not always on the same page. This time/issue we are.

Barret's post (#436) is on the money. Cassel has minimal to no field vision. Imagine the receiver on top of Clay's photo being Bowe. It doesn't make a difference if Cassel is too bereft of peripheral vision to see him. Cassel's mind tends to lock on the receiver he wanted in the 1st place. If said receiver is covered he's screwed, and by extension, so are we.

Cassel posts under userid Messier. :D

Baldwin was covered on about only that play. Swear to god. Im not a coach or a qb and Baldwin got almost no looks in my opinion. At least, the very least, 5 plays the ball should have been thrown his way. Im not even trolling, the outcome would have been dramaticly improved.

I thought Romeo looked sad. He's been coaching a while and he's been in a lot of games. I think he was wondering if it was all worth it. The long hours. The time away from his family. His whole life was spent on a child's game. He wasn't changing his community through advanced medicine skills or using his leadership to change policies. He is getting old and I think he is starting to wonder for purpose in his life. I think that's why the team play soft. It could also be because of the TWA Dome. That doesn't spark the rugged individualism personality traits you need to have to succeed in football. I don't think any of these things are permanent. Sometimes all it takes is a good night sleep to get out of one of those moods.

Clay is pissed because when we were pinned deep in our own territory and down 14-0, Cassel didn't come out throwing 40 yard bombs from our 10 yard line.

i have a question
whats up with Baldwin?
i thought this was gonna be his coming out season.
so far he's playing more like Alec Baldwin than Jon Baldwin.

He's 2 games into the preseason.

Give it a regular season game, at least.

yeah i know it's early but all the hype coming from TC was this guys turned into a monster.
in Saturdays game (2nd Quarter) he was going against the Rams second string and did nothing.

Ask Cassel.

great point.
i just assumed since Cassel was throwing the ball at TC as well.

Works well for Brady.

Cassel isn't Rodgers. He's never going to be a gunslinger. Plus, KC doesn't have that vertical threat yet. Maybe when Bowe comes back it'll help open things downfield, but KC is probably going to be a take-what-you give offense with a strong running attack. People keep wanting to force the offense to be something it isn't/can't. We saw what happened when Haley tried that last year.

People should be happy to some degree that the first team offense has: (1) looked efficient, (2) moved the ball, (3) scored some points. Stop bitching that they aren't achieving 1-3 the way the Packers and Saints do it.

I don't have a problem with short dink & dunk passes as long as we are moving the chains and end results is points on the scoreboard. If anything keep control of the ball & helps the defense rest up. I am also a fan of quick strikes downfield, but am most happy if what we do wins games.


I think Baldwin is going be just fine. I also think he is an asset in blocking down field in the running game. We are going see big time catches and plays out of Baldwin. His career just hasn't gotten off to a great start, but IMO he is sure the hell going make a mark for himself and be a productive KC Chief WR just got to wait & see.

People don't want to force this offense into something it isn't. People want to take advantage of the weapons on the outside to stretch the field and allow dash and crash some space. If you took any top 15 qb and put him on this team, we are instant super bowl contenders. **** matt cassel for preventing this offense from being what it should be.

Don't go giving our offense any crazy ideas. Screens, dumpoffs, flats. That shall be all.

I really don't see us utilizing our WR's to their full potential this season, for better or worse. (meaning - id rather have the ball and get short yards, than have 3 turnovers per game).

Matt isn't good at throwing the long ball, or even the medium ball.

I see us running and dink-dunking us all the live-long day - Which is fine, so long as it works. We keep the ball longer, we move the chains, and we have the strength to convert TD's in the redzone, now that we have a complete running game.

Our bigger passing plays, 10+ yards, will go to Boss and TM.

That means the defense we will see will be spread out and close to the line. In this case we will benefit from play action and pump and go routes. If Cassel can be accurate with those, then our offense will be sick. I just think it will be rare if/when we do that.

Casshole only threw it to him twice. He was open alot though. Saw it live, pissed me off a bit. I don't expect a gunslinger, but why can't he air it out a few times and let Baldwin be the TC monster.

I haven't got to watch the game yet. I will watch it tonight. I keep hearing a bunch of gloom and doom around here but I doubt it's that bad. I watched the Rams play Indy and KC play Arizona last week.

I felt like the Rams showed nothing in their game and Indy showed alot. I felt like KC showed alot and blitzed early and often. I am betting they flip flopped this week. I have a feeling KC was very vanilla and St. Louis opened the playbook.

Pretty sure that's Draughn.

:clap:

The announcers kept talking about how embarrassed Fisher was last week and how he vowed they would look better, etc. It was pretty clear that the Rams came out to win the game and game planned while the Chiefs came out vanilla (for example, the Rams' d blitzed frequently while the Chiefs pretty much played straight up). Fisher complained about the Chiefs keeping some of their starters in all half at the halftime.

However, that doesn't excuse the starting DL getting blown off the line in the running game or the Rams' receivers running wide open. :shake:

As an aside, the Rams' preseason announcers are terrible. Listening to Marshall Faulk announce a game makes me want to stab my eardrums with a rusty butterknife. :mad:

Faulk great player, piss poor announcer. Ross Tucker was 10 times worse though. Holy crap, that voice. Throw in Big Ears and you have a true suck trifecta.

Faulk complained all of the way through the 2nd quarter that the Chiefs had "all of their starters" still on d. I guess I missed that Gordon, Reeves, Tysyn Hartman, etc are now starters.

Tucker sounds like he has bad fitting dentures when he talks.

If Cassel only targets TEs more than 10 yards past the LOS, play 3 TEs. The FBs are pretty much useless as offensive weapons and Cassel ignores #2 WRs.

I wonder if the Chiefs would consider letting Gabe Miller try ILB. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and quicker than Belcher. He played some H-back/TE in college so maybe he understands pass routes better than Belcher. I wouldn't mind some Powe-Poe at DL in the 2-3-6 alignment. Release the monster trucks.

I am re-watching the Stanzi portion of the game on the HD big screen now after having to watch the whole game live on a laptop on a hd feed after buying PS live.

The first pass that was intercepted was in NO WAY STANZIS FAULT.

That pass was ****ing PERFECT...exactly where the defender couldnt get to it, but the receiver could.

The placement was PERFECT.

Fluke play, simple as that...if Stanzi leads the receiver a little more, there is a defender RIGHT THERE to make a play on the ball.

He completes his next three passes on throws that also had PERFECT ball placement that allowed the receiver to catch the ball in stride without making adjustments.

Nice start.

Keep watching...

Didn't the defender knock the ball away?



The placement may have been good, but it was a late throw.

So far, he is 3/4 with a pick.

The next play, he takes a sack that he should have thrown the ball away...it was on second and 6 and he needs to learn to throw it away the moment a defender comes clean off his block and there is nobody open.

that put the offense in 3rd and 11 and took them out of field goal range.

Horrible decision.

No, it wasn't late at all.

Go back and count it down.

The ball was out in less than 3 seconds and it was to his third read on the play.

Watch his head.

Keep watching...

If a slant is his third read, he might be off on something.

His progression on the play is left to right and he throws it to the receiver furthest to the right.

Again, look at his facemask on the play.

Third read and the ball is out in less than 3 seconds.

Why would a slant be his third read?



Slants are three step ball out first read throws.

You don't think you're being just a tad bit biased?

On the sack, I count exactly 4 seconds that the linemen hold their blocks. Allen losses his block first and it flushes Stanzi into the end that is actually behind him.

He needs to get that ball to the sideline and OOB...that would have brought up a 3rd and 6 and the ball would be snapped form the 30...well within field goal range and a dumpoff pass away from picking up a first down by gaining 6 yards.

Instead, he put himself in a 3rd and 11 just barely out of field goal range.

watch the play.

Please.

count the seconds and watch his facemask.

If I had the slightest know how on making gifs, I would make one of that play to show you what I am seeing.

back to the timeline...

on the third and 11, he scrambles and dives head first just short of the first down.

The "Brett Favre" pump fake while running probably bought him an extra 4 yards on the run.

4th and 1 and I know that fumble play is coming up.

Bill Maas just broke downt he game on Red Zone and had some fairly positive things to say about Poe as well as Cassel and the O-line. Also pointed out on the run SJ broke showed how TJ got knocked down and DJ overplayed and left the cut back lane wide open.

Bad sign that he had no idea how much time was on the play clock...if Daboll doesnt call that timeout, we get a delay of game penalty and punt it away.

That would have actually been a better result.

Have you gotten to the part where Stanzi pump fakes his way out of an open target and belly flops into a sack?

ROFL Except a defender DID get to it.

The moment the ball is snapped on the fourth down, Allen is pushed right into the face of Stanzi.

The defenders hand is literally in Stanzis face the moment his back foot hits to finish his drop back.

Id also like to add that that defender grabs Stanzis facemask as he reaches towards him and holds on enough to turn Stanzis head over 90 degrees.

No flag.

Should have given him a first down inside the redzone on the no call penalty.

Stanzi escapes for less than a second and rolls out to his right only to get taken down and fumbles.

It was a fourth down play, anyway....but he should have secured the ball or tried to throw it away during his rollout.

Cant really tell, but its possible his helmet was shifted after the facemask.

They showed a replay after, it was ontop of the helmet. Didn't get hte facemask.

Go watch the play, idiot.

Tell me it was a ball that normally gets intercepted...

That throw could probably get thrown 1000 times without getting intercepted.

Total fluke.

It was placed in a spot where the only guy that could catch it was the Chiefs receiver.

So what you're saying is that even though a defender DID get to it, it was in a spot where a defender couldn't get to it?

That was the only excusable mistake he made. It was a good throw and it was a good defensive play. Other than that he stunk it up.

Yep.

I'm not going back to watch it, but how did the ball get deflected? Was it Copper?

The first hand hits rigth above the helmet and the the second hand goes right at the facemask as the first hand slides down the helmet into the facemask.

He actually has BOTH HANDS on the facemask on the exact replay you mentioned.

Shit, lets say he didnt even get his hand on the facemask AT ALL (even though he did) you cant touch a quarterbacks head AT ALL with the new rules.

Replacement refs FTL.

I believe the new rule is they do allow incidental contact to the head.

I count 15 frames with the hand on Stanzis helmet before it touches his facemask and then 21 frames with the defenders hands RIGHT ON THE FACEMASK.

Not just one hand, mind you...BOTH HANDS ARE CLEARLY ON STANZIS FACEMASK.

Doesn't matter..he stunk

Red Zone is the only thing I'll miss from TWC.

Its hard to tell...Copper has two hands out and the defender slips one hand in at the last second.

To me, it seems as if the ball comes off Coppers hands and hits either a shoulderpad or maybe even his own helmet and thats was deflects it a full 5 yards backwards.

and he did no worse then when no one was touching his helmet

Dont be stupid.

You know that I meant "where no defender can intercept it"

It was a totally safe throw that got intercepted on a total complete fluke.

I REALLY wish I knew how to make gifs.

The contact wasnt incidental.

If that is Matt Ryan or Peyton Manning, the flag is out in the blink of an eye.

It really doesn't matter, dude. He looked like crap and that is the bottom line.

Defender batted it up. CB read the play the entire way. Broke on the ball perfectly and batted it up before Copper even touched it.

Plenty of passes are intercepted when balls are batted in the air.

Let it go, man. You're wrong about the pass.

Defending a 3rd string QB to the death. Dedication. I like it.

There is a reason Stanzi was not allowed to play the entire 2nd half.

On to the next play...

The kickoff returner runs right past the ball, turns around and picks it up only to pin his own team back at the 10 yard line.

first play, run for 2 yards.

second play is another handoff thats good for 3-4 yards

On the third play, his running back gets blasted so hard that his legs are literally straddling Stanzis left leg while his body is thrown right into Stanzi.

Until that happens, Stanzi is in his throwing motion getting the ball out past the first down marker to Copper on a 5 yard out for a first down.

Im not making this up and its not a Hawkeye Homer talking.

These are EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

Stanzi secured the ball with both hands as he went down (by being tripped by his own pass protector) and the Chiefs punt.

Watch the play....no way you can fault Stanzi on that one.

If his blocker doesnt get thrown right into him, he completes the throw for a first down and has some breathing room.

Stanzi got love tapped on the head while wearing a helmet. Fumble doesn't count.

No, Im not.

Stanzi graded out perfectly.

You have to admit, Boss.

"Game 6" turned out to be a pretty big fail. LMAO

The defender had both hands on Stanzis facemask for 21 frames on my DVR and 36 frames total where he had al least one hand on his helmet...this happened within a second of the snap of the ball because Allen gets walked straight back into the quarterbacks face.

The fumble wouldnt count if the ref would have made the call.

In no way shape or form does that excuse RS from fumbling in the least...if he cant protect the football,he wont play.

These two separate events that occur on the same play arent mutually exclusive.

Show the gifs.

And dont act like you didnt make supportive comments like "after what I saw in game one of Stanzi in this preseason...I dont think the game 6 stuff is all that far fetched"

That was a comment you made just a few days ago...

Seriously though, show the gifs that show EXACTLY what I'm posting is true...or **** it, show them to make fun of me and to show how "its just the Iowa homer in BC talking"

Watching the game live on the laptop is worlds different than watching on my 52' Sony...I didnt see most of these details.