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I've sat in the stands at arrowhead and watched the guy get open. Whether he would catch it or not, I dunno



But saying he doesn't get open is wrong

Then explain why Breaston was hardly targeted?

Bowe is Bowe. He's usually the 1st read. Baldwin will never be that good.

We all know Cassel routinely misses open receivers.

I don't think its possible to assess Baldwin with the shit they've put under center.

Like using 5 draft picks on 3 crappy QB's in less than 2 years? Yea you guys are set at QB now.

No, he's not.

There is not a single GIF of this.

There is no rule that I'm aware of that doesn't allow the Chiefs to negotiate and agree to a deal with franchised players during the season.

They simply can not sign the deal until the season is over.

If I'm correct, then the Dolphins could negotiate a deal that would be signed at season's end.

After reading through this thread, this seems like a moot point anyway.

Fitz has the most reliable hands, and is the most disciplined receiver in the league, while CJ is an athletic freak.

But beyond that, there isn't a receiver that I would argue is better than Bowe.

No one has worked with crap at QB as long as, and more consistently, than Bowe, and he still puts up great numbers.

Get him a QB that gets him the ball accurately and on time, and some of the drops will disappear.

There were last year, you haven't gifed shit up this year.

Dude, he's not playing because of Pioli.

He was targeted 100 ****ing times last season.

And his YAC will be even crazier than it already is.

Yes I have.

There was one against Miami, but he was just settling into a zone.

He can't beat man coverage.

Our QB is fine, you don't see me whining, The worst QB ever for the Raiders is better than Matt man

ROFL I am truly glad you think this.

Pretty much every skill position player the Patriots have drafted sucks ass too, so it's not surprising Pioli's guys suck.

Palmer is fine at qb.

Look at his numbers man... Don't be jealous marcellus (that rhymes)

That's it?

He's caught 13.

What the hell is this?

Palmer almost upset the Falcons IN ATLANTA last week.

He's going to stomp a mudhole in our ass after the bye.

That's shitty.

He sucks.

Start learning to accept it.

Other wide receivers have produced with Cassel.

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I am not jealous and I know as well as you, you will never win shit with Palmer. Great he is better than Cassel, so being the 28th best QB in the NFL is an accomplishment?

The beauty is you have no draft picks to remedy the situation.

You guys are ****ed, don't act like you aren't. If you had any brains you would be sympathizing.

Is the deal done yet?

I said he was fine at qb dumb ****.


He's actually a good qb

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This is sad... Nothing against you... Just sad...

Is this a serious question? Breaston doesn't have a role with this team. And if Bowe exits through FA, he still won't. He's a slot guy, and Dex is our slot receiver.

Q

Except he is not.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Enough of this slot bullshit.

Baldwin has been targeted 23 times in 6 games. He doesn't have a getting open problem he has a not getting chances problem

Carson is middle of the road maybe a little better... He will probably throw for 4000 this year... Raiders sucking this year has nothing to do with Palmer, Our defense is very bad.

Cassel rarely bothers to look his way. How many times does cassel shit his pants if bowe is covered? It looks like he automatically checks down to mccluster if he cant find bowe.

Baldwin got more looks with quinn in. If quinn stays in, i bet he starts to produce.

Its been well documented that baldwin wasnt drafted because he was a polished route runner. He is a freak athelete with big potential. Now we can argue all day that you shouldnt take a guy that high just based on what he could be, but im not gonna give up on a player in year 2 playing in an offense that plays to the opposite of his strengths with quarterbacks that dont push the ball downfield.

I thought you were trying to make some BS point.

Thanks for agreeing with me, I am right about everything dating back to last year and I own this place. :evil:

Matt Cassel went toe to toe with a hot Atlanta offense for an entire half. Whats your point?

That's because he ****ing sucks, dude.

Why didn't Breaston this yr.

Sorry, I'm blaming shitty QBs unless I get video evidence that proves otherwise.

Bowe has 66 targets and 34 rec.

You are so blinded by your hatred of the Raiders you can't even recognize a good QB, I didn't say he was a Great QB but he can hold his own.

Palmer is going to rape us.

Just like he raped us last year in Week 16.

Lions?


JFC, Bowe and Megatron? :eek:

LMAO good luck with that.

Because Pioli has benched the guy.

Cassel has produced with some wide receivers, end of story. He's capable of throwing to more than one guy.

Please use logic? Please? You're just being a Baldwin homer.

Might get a first from them.

**** YOU.

THIS TEAM SUCKS ASS.

Breaston moved to the outside when Boldin signed with Baltimore, and put up good, albeit not spectacular, numbers.

Palmer will rape us cause we will drop our best pass rusher into coverage and blitz a slot corner

He sucked before he was a Raider. I am not the blind one.

Carson Palmer as a Chief would make this team a contender

**** it then. Lets just trade baldwin too since hes bad and call up TO

Dude, even when he's thrown to, he doesn't have separation.

Watch the ****ing games. :facepalm:

He's easy to cover, hence he's not targeted much.

Dude he was a Bangle

Cassel produces when his first read is open. When a wr is his first option he gets chances

LMAO

Where's the proof?

I don't know what to make of Baldwin.

But you're crazy if you're just gonna say he sucks with only 23 targets.

His ratio of receptions to targets is in line with other receivers on other teams as well.

Yes, yes they do, and I bet Palmer does not rape us.

We may lose, I hope we lose but not because of Palmer playing well.

We lost to Tebow completing 2 passes last year FFS, we don't need to play a good QB to lose. Buffalo waxed us and Fitz sucks.

Just setting up for the move to LA.


Bowe is going to regret this. He could be like Kobe if he stuck around for another 2-3 years.

Bowe is the only receiver that gets to use the QB excuse, duh.

I've sat in arrowhead and watched us have wrs running open all over, Baldwin included. Multiple times per game he is single covered or open on a post or deep route and not even looked at

Im not saying baldwin=bowe, but i bet if you switched them on the depth chart, he would put up numbers.

Its as much on cassel having "tunnel vision" as it is on baldwin not developing quickly.

Dude most teams that run it 36 times and pass it 6 times per half have multiple receivers with 100 yard games.

Did you see Baldwin in the season opener with Bowe out?

Neither did I.

Baldwin is bigger and faster than Bowe...

Look at him when the ball is thrown to him.

Zero separation.

Preseason?

I know Baldwin would be a smart fantasy pickup if bowe gets traded. Especially if cassels back.

Dude is gonna get targeted 12 times a game

Just look at Baldwin when he runs. He's a long strider who's ability to change direction sucks. He's not quick.

It's not surprising he struggles to get open.

Why does bowe have to make all these contested catches if he's always so open then

When was bowe out in the atl game?

Ummm... We wont even throw 12 times a game.

True. Bowe usually has a defender draped all over him on most of his catches

Garbage time baby

If Clark allows this trade it kind of tells you Pioli is going to be around doesn't it?

He'd be stupid not to allow it.

agreed.
he made himself invisible.

Because he's not awesome at getting separation, either.

Still manages to produce despite it.

So let's not compare him to a ****ing Pioli bust, mmmkay?

I'm pretty sure the Patriots haven't drafted a good wide receiver since Terry friggin Glenn.

Sorry if Q.

Could this be Pioli sending out smokescreens to call Clark's hand?


He is hearing the rumors too and maybe he's trying to find out how true they are...
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Your argument is starting to go south.

Cassel doesnt target baldwin because he doesnt get separation, but bowe produces without separation because cassel throws him the ball.

WTF? So anything Pioli does is bad because of NE?

Pioli is a sure fire **** stick but your hatred of players just because Pioli drafted them is so obvious its funny.

If Baldwin becomes a HOF player I wouldn't give Pioli credit anyway, he was a Haley pick. Just like Poe is a Crennel pick.

Bowe gets more separation than Baldwin.

Baldwin gets practically NONE.

At the end of the day this isn't a hard argument to win. Chambers, Moeaki, Breaston, Moss, Gaffney and Welker have all produced at some decent level with Cassel.

The guys who don't really ****ing suck.

Sorry, by out, I mean just coming back from his holdout and not fully football ready.

Baldwin needed to step up.

Have you guys seen the article about Bowe "badly" wanting out of the Chiefs organization?

FAX

LOL

23 targets, dude.

Its the same ratio as Bowe.

I'm not saying Baldwin will be great, I'm simply questioning your rationale.

You have just silenced all idiots. Bowe is a player, but I am in favor of trading him for draft picks. Look this team isn't going to contend until we get a franchise QB. Trade JC too. He only has 1-2 more years left with his build. Get a legitimate fukn QB then we will talk.