So he's like Jeff Garcia but less mobile?

I would say he is plenty mobile. That's from mu days, and from preseason play. And I've watched his every preseason play.

You think his immobile because he's a 6'0 QB with a beer gut, but he's got wheels for a little tubby bastard.

So he sounds like an inexperienced Garcia (who played in the CFL before the 49ers).

Yay? Nay?

Oh no, no. It's too late now. You've already been sucked into the Chiefs fandom vortex. At least I got to see them win a Superbowl when I was a wee lad of 12. :banghead:

id say hes a better Tyler Thigpen than Jeff Garcia

Let's clear something up, he was NOT coached by Sean Payton last year. Payton was SUSPENDED AND NOT ALLOWED TO COACH last year.

Uncle Alanm, what was it like when the Chiefs were innovators and winners?
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I don't think he's any less mobile than Garcia but perhaps less wiley. Garcia was just clever as hell with his wheels and I don't see that in Daniel.

I also don't see him as being as accurate a passer as Garcia.

Unfortunately I agree with the later poster - he's closer to Thigpen than Garcia. He's better than Thiggy, don't get me wrong. But Garcia was actually pretty damn good in his own spastic, completely inexplicable way. I don't think it's fair to really compare anyone to him because Garcia's effectiveness made so little sense.

So until someone is like Garcia and good, I think all you can really do is call that person Thigpen.

Cool. Well, as I said earlier, he sounds like the best backup QB the Chiefs have had since 2006, and if so, it's another nice signing.

I said Payton AND Lombardi, not just Payton.

Just to clear something up.

People (including me) gave Pioli a pass because it the first new GM we had had in 20 years.

We were willing to wait and see.

Now that we know what fail GM looks like, we're sniffing it again when we see another douche acquire a pair of noodle arms to address the the QB position.

Fool me once...

I love your positive attitude. But all serious die hard MU fans(myself included) know he is only 5'10 1/2".;)

Measured at 6'0 at the combine.

The officials measuring probably gave in to his begging to wear his helmet while he was getting measured for height;)

Chase Daniel's ceiling is Doug Flutie in kitten heels.

Perhaps we're learning.

Unlike the franchise.

Exactly, Pioli is the reason why people are tense about Reid and Dorsey's moves.

This franchise has had two playoff berths since 2004. Since then, they've had 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 7-9 and 2-14 seasons. The fans finally revolted and the organization responded.

For better or worse, I don't think you can ask that same fan base to endure even more losing seasons in an effort to develop a QB from the weakest draft class in recent memory.

That just wasn't going to fly.

What does developing a QB have to do with anything. Trading for Alex Cassel isn't an effort to play winning football. 20 years of history tells us that.

You're speculating.

Trent Green won plenty of games. Joe Montana led them to the AFC championship. Both were fine QB's.

I don't understand how Matt ****ing Cassel could spook so many people into believing that no one can win unless they're a first round QB that's been drafted by the Chiefs.

That mantra is out of control.

It's draft a QB to win a Super Bowl. That's all there is, anything else is just a lesson in mediocrity

Sure there is, just a different kind of bluff.

After you, true fans.

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So, there is more discussion on a player many saw every game of for a few years? Who knew!!!!!

That was not franchise qb's. If Montana was Smith's age then maybe, but if he's smith age, h's not gonna get traded.

Im sorry but Montana and Green were still ****ing failures. 1 play off win doesnt mean shit to me, Tim Tebow has 1 win as a starting qb.

Your in L.A you see how a top notch sports organization is. If the Lakers dont win it all its a ****ing failure. Doesnt matter if they go to the finals and lose, its not good enough. Thats how it has to be, thats how it is for the Patriots, the Steelers and ev3ry other elite franchise.

I met him his rookie year after a preseason game when he was with the Redskins. He's probably 5'10" at the most.

When Vermeil first signed it was for three years with the understanding it was a quick-turnaround and win-now approach. That's why they went heavy on FA's and experienced players. A lot of fans on CP don't want that 3 year window approach. They want to draft early and develop someone that can help the team contend for years.

Alex Smith and Chase Daniel reeks of the Cassel blueprint. Bring in an average vet and don't have any real competition to mess with him at the #2 spot.

Right now, on paper, next year's QB class doesn't look phenomenal either.

March 12th and you are still here. Shocking.
 

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Guys,

I'm waiting until March 12. If this goes through I'm ****ing done caring about this draft and this team. It's supposed to be entertainment, not torture, and it's emotionally ****ing ruinous. I spent the last five ****ing years hoping the Chiefs would be terrible enough to get a high draft pick and take a QB and both times when they were in position they traded for someone else's backup.

I'm ****ing done with the bullshit. Done. I'm rearranging my office this weekend. I'm taking down autographed photos, framed photos, memorabilia, art, clothes, hats. Anything that has to do with the Chiefs is getting expunged from my life, because I'm not going to continue to devote time and emotional energy into a team whose owner detests his fans and continually charges them more and more for the same shit sandwich.

E-****ing-nuff.
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@JuniorG93: Y'all sleeping #Chase Has A Cannon 4 Arm Most Definately will give Alex A run for his Money #WHODAT

A cannon he does not have.

What's the one thing they haven't won in the last 30 years?

What's the one way they haven't tried to address the QB position?

You just don't ****ing get it. NOBODY is saying they CAN'T win without a first round QB.

If you look at NFL history, and especially Chiefs history, there's a CLEARLY ESTABLISHED line of probability.

Get your head out of your ass, homer.

Because filling the stands is more important than winning playoff games.

The bottom line is it's OK to sit here and do whatever the **** you want to do in the offseason. I really don't care. Have a ball with 2-gap slapdicks.

Just draft a goddamn QB in the first round. NO ONE can be SO SURE of a rookie class to completely write off ANY QB in the first round this year. Scouting isn't an exact science.

Do whatever the **** you want to do. Trade for Alex Smith and get raped, I don't care. Just spend the 1.1 on a QB you morons. We don't need a LT.

I get it. You love Geno Smith. Many don't.

Alex Smith, in Reids opinion, will win the Chiefs many more games and give them a larger chance of making the playoffs and thus the SB.

Deal with it or don't - no one cares. But Damn, the whining is just over the top BORING.

Every post from you and Clay is the same thing.

Apocalypse Now. We didn't draft Geno. blah, blah, blah.

EVERYTHING with this franchise is boring.

Mike DeVito? BORING.

No deep threat WRs? BORING.

Not scoring? BORING.

Alex Smith? BORING.

If you're not bored by this ****ing franchise you're lying to yourself.

You're ****ing clueless.

I also like Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley, and several other QBs, including a couple in next year's draft.

It's funny how you morons equate wanting to draft a QB, because of an overwhelming desire to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, as some kind of mindless lemming behavior.

While you simultaneously applaud moves like trading for Alex Smyth, which will all but GUARANTEE the Chiefs won't win a Super Bowl.

But that's not the goal is it? Gotta bring back the Marty years, fill the parking lots, amirite?

Then Andy Reid is an idiot.

I've already dealt with it. I'm no longer a Chiefs fan.

I'm just hear to troll you idiots.

And the great thing is they hedged their shitty Alex Smith bet with Chase Daniel.

I could at least get slightly optimistic, be a little interested, if they had done something AMAZING like drafting a QB in the 2nd (we haven't done that in 20 years, BTW). But they're not even gonna do that.

**** 'em. Win NOW or GTFO.

:huh:

Not bored at all. I believe in slow steady progress. I have run my professional life on that mantra for years. Sports franchises that do that are much more stable and successful (Cardinals in baseball and Steelers in football, for example). And have done very well, I might add.

DeVito is a fine signing, as is Fasano. I suspect we will have a deep threat before August. Alex Smith will be a good QB. And he will bring us much closer to the SB than G. Smith will ever take anyone.

The Steelers were a boring-ass three-yards and a cloud-of-dust franchise that didn't win SHIT for YEARS until they drafted a first-round QB.

Comparing the Chiefs to the Steelers is laughable. The Chiefs approach is NOTHING like the Steelers. NOTHING.

Enjoy mediocrity moron. Slow steady progress. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Do you think that it's a little strange that you wrote that in the past tense?

Great. Glad to know what you are.

No, because I can see the future.

We're NOT drafting a QB high this year.

Seems rather silly to me to get all worked up over something that hasn't taken place yet, and may not.

Maybe the mods should have dealt with the OBVIOUS trolls when they had the chance, huh?

This type of behavior is obviously condoned here, so might as well make the most of it.

Look, these sheep are just gonna have to deal with it. All I wanted was to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl. I was patient for 30 years. I'm tired of being treated like wanting your team to win is a CRIME.

It isn't a crime. The true crime is continuing to support a team that respects you SO much, they don't even have to ACT like they're trying to win it all. Just win 10 games, fill the seats, the KC fans eat that shit up with a ****ing shovel.

**** oldandslow, **** Chiefs fans, and **** the Chiefs.

I already knew what you were, loser.

:popcorn:

I have a brain. It tells me they're not taking a QB high. Not after paying a 6-foot QB $10 million.

**** you, **** very much!

That doesn't change the fact that it hasn't happened yet, and still may not.

Sorry.

You're right. They don't want to win. Thank you for showing me the light. They just want to steal your money. Big bad corporation...Down with the MAN, I say. I think I will go on a message board and post bad things about them and curse their fans. That'll show 'em.

Love me a good temper tantrum. Please continue. And is the GotoHell guy GoChiefs or whatever he used to be called? If so I'm definitely taking football advice from the little fat kid.

ROFL

I didn't expect you to acutally understand the argument but points for creativity.

Again, you completely missed the point.

I'm not trying to show the Chiefs anything.

Moron.

The San Francisco 49ers put the best roster in football around Alex Smith, and he couldn't make it to the Super Bowl.

His grand sum of accomplishments includes a playoff win against an incredibly flawed team with an awful defense and a crap-tastic performance against the Giants in which his crap play was a significant factor in the loss.

Oh, and he also was coached by one of the best coaches in the NFL while doing this (who benched him the first time he got a chance)

Anyone who thinks they can win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith is crazy.

That wouldn't have even been so bad. I get trying to bring in a decent QB for a few years, who isn't the worst guy in the NFL (I'll give you that Alex Grbonossel is at least a 15-22 QB in the NFL).

But the exorbitant price the Chiefs paid for him makes it extremely difficult - and much less likely - the Chiefs will draft someone who actually CAN be a top tier QB, good enough to win playoff games against elite teams and get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl.

We're down to hoping:

1) That Alex Grbonossel magically turns into an elite QB after nearly a decade as a starting QB in the league (Call this the Gannon Gambit)
2) That Chase Daniel blossoms in his chance to start, wins the job, and becomes an elite QB (can't even come up with a case of this to reference... Brunell Bullet?)
3) That the Chiefs turn a draft pick that is, at best, a scratcher ticket (3rd round or later) into a franchise QB (Call this the Brady Bluff)

:LOL:

I'm 31 ****ing years old and I'm rapidly approaching disgruntled crusty old fart Chiefs fan status. Go **** yourself.

:LOL:

I sure as shit hope we trade down. If we draft an OT with our once in a life-time #1 pick I'm going drive to Arrowhead Stadium and I'm going to shoot myself

I'm still happy! PBJ

You believe in slow steady progress? Why would you not believe in quick immediate progress? Many teams manage that in today's NFL. Why should Chiefs fans be resigned to slow steady progress?

"weakest class"? Fallacy. Straw man. Bullshit.
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I always fell back to my no 2 team (the Steelers) once the playoffs rolled around but **** me if re-Todd isn't over there ****ing $3it up now...:banghead:

Theres nothing wrong with Haley as coord, especially when you have Mike "The Rock" Tomlin to keep his ass in check.
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Meh, never been a fan of the Steelers. Re-Todd can f#*k things up over there all he wants.

Well, thats it. Even if we trade back and get a 2nd-round pick, we will not draft a QB in the first two rounds.

I don't see what the problem is...

Prove it

How do you expect him to prove it when they haven't even played a game in the NFL yet? His comment is no more ridiculous than yours.

Bullfickingshit.

Roethlisberger was pissed all last season. Mike Wallace had his YPC cut in half and left. The Steelers went 8-8.

Haley was a failure, just like he was a failure in KC. Art Rooney II is clueless.

Well, considering just about everyone that follows the NFL (outside of this forum, of course) believes this is the weakest class in years, I'd say its far less ridiculous.

The mantra in this forum spread by a few people regarding QB's has not only been the most ****ing annoying thing in my 13 years on the 'Planet, there is literally NOTHING to support that position.

It was obvious to anyone that listened to the initial press conference along with interviews with Dorsey, Clark and Reid, that they were not drafting a QB earlymI the draft.

But people didn't want to hear it, made excuses, etc.

It's actually been quite bizarre to witness.

So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

Miami paid Matt Moore $4 million per.

Probably because Alex Smith is garbage and can be counted on to break something so Daniel is more of a tweener backup/starter.

Sure there is. You're just blind to it.

Barkley, Glennon and Geno compare pretty well to other first round QBs.

I mean when guys like Cam Newton go #1 overall...the bar is set low.

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So you found a team more stupid than us. Great. Now how do we compete with the 30 who are more intelligent?

I always saw Daniel as a Koy Detmer-type backup.