Not true Daniel can void the deal if he throws for 2k yards.

He will if Alex Smith gets injured again.

In this day and age? Yeah, I don't think it's too difficult.

Keep in mind, the starter before Schaub was Carr, so the bar wasn't exactly set too high. And IIRC, Steve Bartowski was the franchise passing holder in Atlanta and while I loved me some Bartowski back in the day, the game simply didn't have the relaxed rules that QB's today enjoy.

LOL 2000 yards

****kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk if Chase has to throw 2000 yards for this team, this place will explode

That's fine. I get Alex Smith for this year, but if we are honest we know that likely the Chiefs won't have a chance to draft a QB that will be rated as high as Geno unless we give up the farm in a trade, right?

I would think most people now know Geno is going top 5 and most likely we'll be in the 15-20 range for the next few years. I know Phil pointed out the other later 1st round picks have had success, but this is a different time with the new CBA and emphasis on passing/scoring so the guys that used to be there won't be.

People can talk about whoever they want in the next draft, but odds are we won't be in a position to take a guy that is as good of a prospect as Geno and that is where the frustation comes in.

I don't think they'll take a QB in the second or third rounds this year, unless they continue to deal in the first and pick up multiple 2nd rounders. And even then, they have plenty of holes to fill, even with the recent signings. Depth is needed just about everywhere.

I think it's far more reasonable to expect that they select someone next year.

What is the Geno crowd gonna say when he sucks in the NFL?

Same thing we said when Sanchez sucked.

What is everyone going to say when Alex Smith throws for 200 yards a game and Geno Smith is out there lighting it up?

What about the other two guys?

You're basically saying Alex Smith is going to come here and throw for 4500 yards and 30 TDs (at least).

Comfortable making that statement?

I think the Chiefs made this trade believing that they've not only acquired a starter in 2013 (and likely, 2014) but that they'll have an opportunity to accumulate picks, which could go towards moving up in 2014.

I think it's very likely that Buffalo will trade up for Geno. I'd give a 65-35 chance today and I'll bet it continues to escalate the closer we get to draft day.

The only thing I like about this is we didn't give him a huge deal.

It's sensible, at the very least, in that we can get out from under it in a year when we need to replace him.

As long as he does better than 1 touchdown and 11 INTs, his career will have started 100% better than Alex Smith's.

So in other words we agree...

That Reid has a better eye for quarterbacks than the hive mind of CP.

Also, I'd like to point out that Reid/Dorsey are not just passing on Geno...they are making a statement that they like a career game manager better than ANY QUARTERBACK IN THIS CLASS.

The Bad Guy also said we are not done. We will target a ILB in Free Agency.

Well, we dodged that bullit, by NOT TRYING AGAIN! Whoopee, we got another fattie! 10 and 6, herp derp!

Little fat Gochiefs - do something else with your time. Imagine what you could accomplish in life if you didn't bitch on Chiefsplanet the last 14 years.

lighting it up in Oakland? ROFL

If Buffalo trades up, I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs take either Dee Milliner or Jarvis Jones. You can never have to many DB's or passrushers in this division. Don't think it'll happen though. Im convinced the pick will be OT.

*Im not a huge fan of either Sean Smith or Dunta Robinson as starting corners tbh. I'd like to see them face receivers in the slot or have either one of them play FS. A guy like Milliner would improve this secondary significantly.

Imagine a secondary of:

CB#1 Flowers
CB#2 Milliner
Nickelback Sean Smith
Dimeback Javier Arenas
Free Safety Dunta Robinson, Abdullah
Strong Safety Eric Berry, Kendrick Lewis

*Chiefs would have the best secondary in the league w/ solid starters, depth and great coaches in Al Harris and Emmitt Thomas to compliment that. That's really important when you're facing Peyton Manning.

I still would like to see more depth at the cornerback position.

I still like to see the Chiefs get another starter at CB. I don't think Sean Smith or Dunta Robinson are the answer. Not intrigued by any of those guys.

That is a good imagination, that would be fine in my book.

Great insight.

So true, it IS a very strong statement... you know they've picked it apart from every angle and still must've came to the conclusion that they REALLY didnt like anyone this year.

That's the thing apparently nobody gets. The two are not intrinsically linked.

I hate the Alex Smith trade. Period. It's not just because I'm a Geno Smith fan. It's not a mutually-exclusive thing. They could literally do anything else, and I would not hate it as much as the Alex Smith trade (well, okay, I'm sure there's something they could do that's stupider than that, but I'm hard pressed to think what the hell that would be). I hate not drafting Geno much less than I hate throwing away 2nd rounders for yet another in the long string of veteran game managers.

I don't think Milliner falls that far back though.

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You're paying your nickle a LOT of $$$...

I'm saying when he's surrounded by above average talent, he can be just as successful as those guys. I'm not stating he'll be equal statistically but that he can provide similar results in terms of wins and losses.

In five years, Matt Ryan has exactly one playoff win, same for Schaub.

But BOTH (even Robinson) are much better than what we had...

Frustrating no doubt.

I'm not a huge fan of taking a rotational guy that early. Hell, at this point, I'd rather them just take a RT and be done with it.

That's a problem. Way to much money for the nickel. Would make a great nickel though.

Just not so sure as the #2 CB?

But at the end of the day, the way I look I at it, it's about improving your secondary in every imaginable way possible. To me that means having good starters, depth, and great coaching.

*Milliner would give the Chiefs a really good starter next to Flowers. This is the only issue the chiefs have back there imo. The #2 CB spot is still questionable in my mind. If they could get Milliner, that second starting spot would be locked down. Just by addressing that #2 CB, this secondary would be solidfied.

Sean Smith is the 2, we just paid him accordingly.

Turns the ball over 2-14

But Alex Smith wasn't the one "providing" wins in San Francisco.

He road the coattails of the #2 defense.

Everyone knows that. Everyone also knows that despite what you claim is a lack of offensive talent, a better QB produced more with the same players.

And it's not just Kaepernick. Even in 2008, the 49ers were a better offense without Alex Smith. Shaun Hill outplayed him, fer crissakes.

Sorry, but Alex Smith simply cannot make the throws Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub and Trent Green can/could. He'll never be as successful as those guys, unless he again rides the coattails of a top running game and defense.

It's lunacy to think he's going to be anywhere close to those guys.

Yeah, but they're marginal improvements.

I don't know about you, but my standards are higher then marginal. I'd like to see them improve the #2 CB signficantly.

Marginal? :spock:

you dont mind if Dorsey and reid get to have ONE draft before stating things like that?

Starter: Flowers, Robinson, Berry, Smith

nickle: Arenas

Holy shit.

The 2008 49ers averaged 20.1 PPG with Shaun Hill.

With Alex Smith in 2007: 11.7 PPG.

With Alex Smith in 2009: 19.8 PPG.

With Alex Smith in 2010: 19.5 PPG

Yep, its hard to see them using a high pick on milliner after that move.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

If Alex Smith stinks it up this year, it won't matter who's right or wrong because he'll be gone by the end of 2014.

What did the 49ers have from there down 3 last year?

from their three starters, they had 6 total.

YOur down three arent meant to be sack guys.

Yes, its been well established that until harbaugh took over in 2011, that offense was considered a nuisance in san francisco. What did they average in 2011 with a mediocre qb, a tight end, and a half of a receiver?

Sean Smith deal

3 years/18 million

11 million guaranteed

I haven't been following this thread, and I'm sure this post flows naturally from conversation, but how the **** have we started talking about Alex Smith in a thread about a newly signed cornerback?

Nate Eachus will be back with the Chiefs according to his brother.

his name ends in smith.

Or, far more likely, he'll Cassel it up.

He'll mostly suck but generally play just above Total ****ing Failure for the next couple years, and even flash a couple times just when you thought the team and fanbase couldn't take him anymore, and he'll get another 8-game grace period.

Rinse repeat.

A thoroughly Routt-ian contract.

Hey Direckshun, what do you think about our secondary situation now? I still think we need more depth. I have seen where Flowers is injured and our CB position is reeling.

What exactly is the idea of suck here?

Hes going to have a high completion percentage, hes not going to turn the ball over, he generally wont take risks, and at the end of the day he will throw for 220 yards 2 tds, and no ints. Thats suck to you?

thats been him MO for the last two years.

Sean Smith is our #2. Anyone that thinks differently is not looking at the facts of the signing correctly. You may not agree, but he's the #2.

This post:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=300

I think it's hilarious anyone thinks Alex Smith could be Trent Green 3.0 though.

/pause

No shit. I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big ****ing joke. I'm done with the negativity. Going to start a thread.

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Sorry BRC, but it's really, really hard to be positive about a guy like Alex Smith after 4 years of Matt Cassel.

We're going to be asking the defense and running game to win games...again. Because those are literally the only reasons Alex Smith has ever had a winning season (one time).

The butthurt about the geno butthurt is also strong. I enjoy the idea that you can talk in absolutes about Geno but the supporters of him can't

If that's the deal, we done good.

per Shefter on NFL32

It was recently updated to $12 million guaranteed but either way, it's a good deal.

Absolutely. Our secondary is covered, and stacked. I'm curious to see how the rest of it plays out. We have to be out of money by now.

Sheriff Floyd at 1? Starting to look like. Poe isn't a 3 down player from what I can tell.

If they cut Studebaker and sign Albert long term, they can free up even more for signings.

Good. I hope they do. We need a RT, ILB, and interior D-line depth.

LMAO

That's hilarious.

He's not even CLOSE to Asomugha.

He's average at best.

At the combine Dorsey praised Poe.

I *think* they have enough to sign at least one ILBer.

I think they trade down and add either a DT, OT or OLB. If they can trade down even further than 8, their options become even greater.

I'd sure like to see Tavon Austin with Charles, Bowe, Avery, Fasano and Moeaki.

wut?

Poe can play every position on the DLine and all the 3 downs.


now we still have to see if he develops into a good player, but the ability is there

We are out of money, Chiefs will auction off their 2013 draft picks to the highest bidder to raise cash.

We still have 7 mil in cap space.

Where did you get this figure? Is that independent of the required Rookie Pool of cap space?

Per Albert Breer

That Kansas City defense has some serious pieces with Poe, Jackson, Houston, Hali, Johnson, Flowers, Robinson, Berry and now Smith.

Not sure if Q..

Walterfootball's take on this acquisition:
Chiefs sign CB Sean Smith (3 years, $18M; $11M guaranteed): B- Grade
The Chiefs have overpaid once again. Sean Smith is a solid No. 2 cornerback. He is not a No. 1 as Kansas City seems to think. There's no way he deserves $6 million per year and $11 million guaranteed. I understand that the Chiefs wanted to add a corner to contend with the Broncos and all of their receivers, but that doesn't mean they should throw tons of money at the first defensive back willing to sign with them.

Then again, this is from the guy who assigned a C+ and D grade to the re-signings of Bowe and Colquitt, respectively, and who has previously graded LeRon McClain and Kelly Gregg as "A"s. So take it with a giant grain of salt. Like, the biggest grain of salt ever manufactured.

Spotrac. That does not include the draft class salary cap space.

This isn't complete, but here's a good look at that breakdown (but without data from the additions of Smith, Robinson and Devito, or the departure of Cassel):

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap-hit/http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap-hit/