I think after 24 straight games of consistent QB play you can pretty much throw out the first 4 seasons of a former bust's NFL career...

you know, unless those first 4 seasons help prove a ludicrous point like Matt Cassel and Alex Smith are the same QB

ok fine whatever

but Clay parades around like PFF is THE BE ALL END ALL way to evaluate NFL players...

Matt Cassel had a NEGATIVE RATING in 2010 despite throwing 27 TD's and 7 INT's

Alex Smith was the 8th best rated QB by PFF in 2011.

So something isn't adding up.

Either Alex Smith = Matt Cassel and PFF is the biggest fraudulent site in the history of statistics (which could be)

or Clay is a cherry picking troll (which is probably true)

Which is more scary:

That Reid and Dorsey wrote Hamas' equation on the board and agreed that it was true or that they wrote that equation down in the first place?

I consider PFF flawed but useful. In most cases their raw data is more valuable than their ratings.

The thing with this draft is just one move isn't enough. However if we traded Albert for two 2nds or even a 2nd and 3rd(Miami has two 2nds and two 3rds this year) and then coupled that with being able to trade out of the 1st pick and gain another 2nd rounder in the top ten of the 2nd round and some compensation next year we'd stacked in the draft for the next two years. If that were the case I wouldn't mind letting Albert go because we could get our new LT, QBoTF and several other good players all in this years and next years draft. I could get on board with a big plan like that.

You're not getting it, child, but I will attempt to educate you once more.

Matt Cassel had some good games in 2010. We all saw those games.

Jacksonville, Arizona, Seattle, Tennessee.

Alex Smith could come here and play just like that, but I'd still want more.

I don't believe Alex is capable of anything more.

His ceiling is "Matt Cassel fools Chiefs fans late in the year, 2010."

24 in 9 starts.

It's a little higher than that, IMO, but still not high enough to hitch my franchise to.

24 in 250ish drop backs. That is sky high. In the context of a dink and dunk offense it's stratospheric.

Alex Smith is an upgrade over Cassel in every way. I don't like the trade and would rather see us draft our own QB, but this post is dumber than most of your already dumbass posts.

Unfortunately, no.

He throws the ball down the field less.

Can you believe that?

He also takes more sacks.

And...wait for it...converts fewer third downs.

OMG

omfg

Matt Cassel's best season: 207.7 YPG

Alex Smith's best season: 196 YPG.

OMG

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Idiot. There is no way you understand what you're watching when football is on tv.

I'm sure he'll blossom here in KC!

Got any predictions for us?

I dunno, the new HC has more playoff wins than I've seen the Chiefs have in my life. So lets hope he knows what hes doing. lol I guess.

I said I didn't like the trade. I also said he's better than Cassel.

Ass.

Why not?

Is Geno a prospect on the level of him and Russell Wilson?

I'd love to buy into that, but remember the "Has more rings than the Chiefs do in their entire history" argument? I like Reid, but I am not a fan of the moves him and the front office have made. While I think Reid's coaching staff alone probably could've made last year's team a 6 to 10 win team, I'm wanting more and would gladly forego one year success for what I feel is better longterm success. Although, frankly, I still think Geno Smith would be just as likely to help our immediate to short term success as much as Alex Smith will.

I really don't feel they've improved the team through acquiring talent. I feel they've just gotten some baseline players to fill needs, and letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel is more of that. Essentially to me its a write-off year already as I don't think they realistically expect to do much, and so to me its a perfect time to go get a solid QB prospect to groom.

Possible situation: Dorsey discusses Albert playing RT and them drafting a 1st overall LT (or have the #1 LT play RT year one then replace him in year 2) and Albert got pissed off, as seen on twitter.

Reid thinks Stephenson is a good RT for his system and we get a younger elite LT prospect while saving money to get more players and getting a valuable 2nd round pick back in return.

Personally, I want more than a 2nd rounder for Albert. Two 2nd's would be fine though.

You think Reid brought in Alex Smith to play not-to-lose football and only throw it 20 times a game? Smith may not be able to do what Reid wants, but if you think Reid is bringing in Smith to be a game manager, you never watched the Eagles play.

His ceiling is higher than Cassel's. He doesnt shit the bed in the pocket like Cassel. He's shown he can drive his team down multiple times to win

His ceiling is higher? Where do you guys come up with this shit? Alex Smith has been in the league for what, 8 years? And he has had a solid 1 1/2yrs of above average football. Don't give this BS excuse of different coordinators and coaches. All it is an excuse. He is a known commodity. If Alex Smith would have been able to perform at a high level in this league it wouldn't have taken Harbaugh to coach it out of him. He should have "gotten it" a bit earlier in his career wouldn't you say?

This might be the most interesting experiment in football. Its been proven you can win with A. Smith as long as you protect his weaknesses and surround him with a solid staff. Reid hasnt exactly ever been known as a "ball control" type of coach. This could get interesting....

JFC take a look at the WR's Smith had during his career. he's going to have bowe now.

Just think how wonderful Tom Brady would be if he didn't have new OCs every year or two. If Peyton Manning wasn't his own OC and HC?

This! Just like Rich Gannon except he was even more known (older) - What? Wait a minute...

So basically we'd be trading Albert, moving down in the second to the Dolphins pick and a conditional next year for Alex Smith. I'm not sure how I feel about that quite yet. Maybe if we can use the extra cap space and an Alex restructure to sign a veteran Tackle like Volmer or Andre Smith (Jesus there is a shitload of Smiths in this league) I can get behind this move.

My whole thing with this Geno fiasco is that with the move to acquire Reid and Alex, we are almost locked in to have at the very minimum 7 wins the next few years because of the talent on this team and our weak ass division. Geno may not be the best QB prospect in the last few years, but he is almost without question going to be the best QB prospect we will have the opportunity to grab for awhile. See if anyone will trade up for him and get what you can, but don't accept a bullshit offer. If nothing is appealing, get the guy who will shore up the QB position for years to come. I really don't see the logic behind going a tackle first overall, going from a good LT to a "potentially great" LT isn't going to mean jack in the long-run if we don't have someone worthy enough to protect.

His ceiling is bigger he can win a playoff game and not shit the bed

Crabtree and Davis plus being protected by an uber line are nothing to sneeze about

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Would you trade Albert to the dolphins for both their 2nd rnd picks?

Nope. Means either Jekyll or Fisher at one (which is worth more than the 2-2nds) or a gaping hole at the spot.

and so in the two seasons he's had this, he has played well. but hey, keep on talking like an idiot, idiot.

Whatever you say IzZatChew

Yes he does. Ask any 49ers fan.

His ceiling is not higher for one reason: he has almost the same physical limitations. And is probably more scared to chuck it downfield.

Smith had a good niners team and got em to the championship game, Cassel was on one of the greatest teams ever in New England and couldn't get em to the playoffs

I know kap played well, but under smith crabtree was not doing much. I think alex was holding him back.

This is a good point. Perhaps we will see very early what is going to happen. If they get a guy to push alex and theb throw alex into the attack offense to see what happens, I can handle that. Its assuming they get a qb in the draft though.

But he took a shit Chiefs team to the playoffs.

This is a dishonest post.

Alex won 13 games with the #2 defense. Cassel won 11 games (in his first ****ing season) with the #8 defense.

Don't even go into the fact that Cassel's offense scored 2 more points a game.

Alex Smith is nothing.

PFF exposed Cassel as a fraud. I feel a bit better about Alex after seeing how they ranked him. He has his warts, but is a BIG ugprade.

We're getting a more consistent 2010 Matt Cassel. I wouldn't call that a big upgrade.

First we need to see if Alex can even play without his binky Jim, so let's pull the reigns a bit.

yes

He's an upgrade in the fact that he's going to be more accurate in the 5-15 yard range and that he will limit turnovers.

But Alex Smith won't throw it deep.....and he's going to limit those turnovers because he's going to take sacks instead of trying to force the ball.

translation?

Andy Reid talked with reporters. The reporters (5 of them) were all from Philly. No reporters from KC were there.

2nd and a 5th.

Done.

It's a false argument that Alex Smith is a better short passer than Matt Cassel.

So Alex is 1 percent better, but that 1 percent is less productive in terms of yards and touchdowns.

http://i.imgur.com/F2G6w9L.jpg

Yet, he grades out much better. Why is that?

Matt Cassel takes more chances with the football. That leads to more negative grading on shitty passes.

In Alex Smith, we're talking about a QB who went an entire season throwing only 81 intermediate passes. Cassel threw 113, and we know Cassel isn't exactly Trent Green.

Alex will wing the ball more in KC than he ever did in Frisco. We'll see how much it lowers his grade.

He averaged almost 2.5 sacks a game last year. If we make him throw it more here.....I bet he clears 3 sacks a game.

You know he will. Reid's been coaching too long to change to RRPP. Guess it'll be PRSP in KC in '13.

Imagine how productive your personal life would be if you were this diligent with it.

Why do you even bother with this?

You're not going to get me, or anyone else to hate him or the Chiefs for this move.

I'll decide later this season.

If this is SO bad, why not just leave and stop following the Chiefs?

Why put so much energy into this?

That research took 10 minutes. Sorry if you cant appreciate my greatness.

I did it a couple of days ago. I used BossChief's numbers (I'll go find them again) where he took Andy Reid's average pass attempts and then used it to get Alex Smith's numbers if he threw more.

In Andy Reid's average offense.....Alex Smith would get sacked 66 times in a season.

:doh!:

Can only wonder what Clay would have said about Trent Green if PFF was around back then.

LMAO

Not that single post, dork.

I haven't been around much lately because I KNEW this butthurt would ensue.

I still do not like this trade.

I'm a Chiefs fan and have been for 30 years.

I'll still be a fan. I've been a Royals fan for 30 years, too. I'm not going anywhere.

LMAO Okay...

Yeah, that's as silly as Boss projection of 4500 yards and 40 TDs

They have two 2nds and two 3rds so it's goiong to cost at least a 2nd and a 3rd.

In 2011....he dropped back 445 times and got sacked 44 times (lead the league).

2011 - Sacked once for every 10 times he dropped back.
2012 - Sacked once for every 9 times he dropped back.

If the Chiefs are greedy, they won't be able to move him, which means in 2014, they'll get nothing for him.

The smart move is to take a second and whatever else they can get.

That doesn't seem greedy to me. Instead of a 5th then we get their 2nd and then we swap our 4th for thier 3rd.

A little factual information for those that care.

Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman, preached to Alex Smith, to protect the football. A kick should end every drive. Punt, Fg, or extra point. Thats considered a good drive to them.

Second. For those that think that Crabtree has been held back by Alex Smith, 3, or Alex Smiths last 4 td passes, were to Crabtree.

Third, for the first time in Crabtrees career, he came into camp, uninjured, and in shape. For the first time in his career, he participated, in pre season games. In 2011, the 49ers had crap for receivers. Crabtree, and Braylon Edwards were the starters. Crabtree got hurt week one, didnt play week two, on the first play of the game for the 49ers, Edwards got hurt, was never the same was released. In the 49ers blow out of tampa bay, josh morgan, alex smiths favorite receiver, got hurt, and was lost for the season. So, for those that are parading this elite players around him bullshit, you dont know what you are talking about. Their play makers, were no where to be found. Alex Smith had Vernon Davis to throw to in 2011, and that was it. And even VERNON DAVIS, google the shit if you dont believe me, said that he didnt even understand the offense until week 10, and wanted to quit he was so frustrated.

In 2012, when Alex Smith was injured, the 49ers led the league in rushing..........Why do you need to pass all the time, when you have a great defense, AND lead the league in rushing? Hmmmmmmmm? If you can respectfully answer that question with a logical answer, other than, "alex smith is a liability." then we have something we can talk about. There is no reason to keep passing, if you can run the ball for 5 yards at a pop, keep your defense off the field, the other teams offense off the field, control the clock, and the game. The running game without alex smith, fell from 1st to 4th, and thats including all of kaeps long runs. Alex Smith is no franchise savior, he is a franchise stabilizer. Clay, you just need to relax man. Its not as bad as you think. Numbers, dont always tell the truth. I see you have yet to mention that Alex Smith, while completing 70 percent of his passes last year, was also second to only colin kaepernick, in YARDS PER ATTEMPT... So how is all he does is dink and dunk?

What is your purpose here?

He's the Anti-Clay.

:)

Well, it has to do with three facts:

Alex Smith completed only 9 passes over 20 yards last year.

Alex Smith throws the ball deep less than anyone, save Ponder.

Alex Smith throws fewer intermediate passes than Matt Cassel, who is a dink and dunk QB.

They can tag him again in 2014.

Or, they could ****ing PAY THE MAN.
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But then they'd have to pay him $12 million, right? An increase of 20% over his previous Franchise Designation?

I don't think the Chiefs will pay a left tackle $12 million per. I don't think anyone would pay an LT $12 million per, especially with the new CBA.

10%, so $10.8m.

I'd pay a bionic Ogden 12M/year.

Robot arms and all baby!

So you agree with the PFF ranking? You honestly believe that Smith was the 8th best QB in 2011?

I hope this is the eventual outcome, i get the idea of picking up some extra picks in the higher rounds... but to get rid of a known top player, at such an important position, who's still plenty young, in favor of picks who could go either way? what a needless gamble imo.

If its all about "winning now", then bringing in some rookie to protect your handpicked QB's blindside seems like a terrible way to go about it.

The logic doesn't add up. But hey, it's the Chiefs we're talking about...
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No, but I believe he's a big step up from Cassel for the people claiming they are equal. We'd still be best served hedging our bets and taking Geno TBH.