I didn't like Bradford much at all. He struck me as a stronger armed version of Alex Smith.

(Do not mistake "stronger armed" as "strong armed"...)

It was pretty damn close in philly.

Okay. You don't think he is going to change. I guess we will see come week one. I think you are going to see far more running, far more playaction, than anyone is really expecting.

:LOL: Good for you, sir!

Only OU homers were advocating for Bradford at the time. Bradford did much better than I expected, but I still wouldn't want him.

Why would I want him to change? I want him to do the things that made him successful and got him hired here.

And thats throwing the football.

If the idea is that we're not going to see the same Andy Reid that we saw in Philadelphia for the past 13 years, then why hire Andy Reid in the first place. It's not like there aren't plenty of Marty clones out there if we wanted a coach that runs the ball.

In eight of Alex's 19 wins the last two years, he threw for less than 190 yards.

Why should I accept the idea that this can be replicated in Kansas City?

Even in 2010, when the Chiefs had a good team, we only won two games with our QB throwing for less than 190 yards.

And the last two seasons, it's only happened three times: against a Kyle Boller, Caleb Hanie and Tim Tebow.

Someone posted his run/pass splits recently and they weren't near 70/30 like he is claiming.

Im going to have to look it up. I am pretty sure that back in the days of Duce Mccallister, that he was far closer to even in the run pass thing. And that was the philly hey day. I don't think that he can be as much of a thrower as he was his last two years in philly, and expect to win with the Chiefs. The team is not set up to succeed that way. I know that Alex Smith isn't going to succeed that way, hes also going to take way more hits than he should, and its playing away from the fact that he is statistically the highest rated passer in the NFL when using the Playaction....

Throwing to set up the run, would waste that.

Alex Smith, isn't going to throw for 250 yards a game, and the chiefs are still going to win more than they lose.

That's just the way it is.

Deuce McCallister never played for the Eagles.

You're showing your football ignorance again.

LMAO

So Alex Smith is going to lead us to wins by throwing for less than 190 yards because that's JUST THE WAY IT IS.

You are one dumb asshole.

Neither did I. I am always skeptical of those qbs who in college from elite programs like OU, Florida, who use those spread schemes, and aren't mobile.

At this point, I don't really have a problem with spread QB's as they are pretty much all coming from spread systems and NFL offenses are much more spread oriented.

But, the guy I am thinking of is named duce. His last name just happened to be STALEY.......

God, I cant wait to see your ass gone for a year. 8 wins baby. 8 WINS,. remember, you made this bet.

Westbrook was the best example of the way Charles should and hopefully will be used.


And I'm not a fan at all of having Alex Smith run the spread option. I'm not a fan of having my QB do that unless he's built like Cam Newton.

Listening to Alex Smith's interview, I think Reid is just going to "tweek" his offense to the strengths of his players. That would include the QB position, and putting in a passing offense that fits the strengths of what Smith can do, instead of trying to force Smith into making plays that don't fit within his skill set just because those plays maybe worked for McNabb or Favre.

I'll bet we still throw it though. Probably a lot.

Dude has 153,000+ posts. No way he can survive being away from here for a year. He will not honor the bet, break it at some point, or post under a mult. You are hoping for something that won't happen.

I have read where the next big thing in the pistol is going to be the play action pass. That should play right into Smith's strengths.

I understand that. I would prefer the chiefs use like the Patriots model with the Spread. Get the ball out quick. Bowe is deadly in the open field. Charles is deadly in the open field. Those would be great things to do for the Chiefs.

It's irrelevant, because there's no way this team is winning more than 8 games.

We're going to see alot of (planned) dump offs to Charles and screens I bet. Something that Cassel still failed at. Every time I saw him MISS a screen pass or a simple dump off I wanted to kill him.

Which, coincidently, is going to make Smith have better numbers than most people expect, imo.

all of the above is true. And, I have told him on multiple accounts, that he doesn't have to leave, I will if I lose. But he can stay. And if he stays, I will shove that shit down his throat every single day of the year. An Alex Smith HOMER, came onto your board, and pushed your shit in. That would be harder for me to take, than just leaving.

I hope he does.

But if thats the case, why didn't he do it for Michael Vick? Or Foles?

I'm not a huge fan of going out and giving up what we gave up for a QB who we have to "tweek" the system we want to run in order for him to run it.

I think physically, Smith can run the same system Reid's always ran, he just has to have the confidence to do it.

Them's fightin' words around these parts!!!!

At least you are hoping right? I mean within the last week you said the first honest thing that most have ever heard you say. You hope Alex Smith fails. So you will be praying that the Chiefs lose. Shrugs. LOL. That to me is comical......

my bad lol.

Smith isn't going to have to pump it downfield ala Flacco.

He just needs to be precise in Reid's WCO and take it downfield enough to keep teams honest.

He is 'tweeking' it to his players strengths. Isn't that would a good coach should do?

You yourself said you hope Kaepernick fails, thus hoping the 9ers lose.

Well, with Vick it is easy. he has a cannon, and they had Djax, and maclin to go deep. With Foles at that point, he knew he was done in PHILLY in my opinion, so he just kinda figured eff it. Shrugs. I took the way he handled foles as a big eff you to the philly brass. Because he tried really hard to stand by Vick, and they wanted Foles.

That mirrors my own expectations.

However, as for your expectations re: the pistol, I think the pistol's a gimmick that's going to have a very short shelf life in the NFL. It's the new Wildcat.

Lol I could give a **** about Geno. What I'm talking about is bigger than one player, or one draft. I'm talking about an overall philosophy that is on the scale of years and decades. This conservative, me too bullshit the Chiefs have been doing is not getting them anywhere. They need to learn to innovate, and take risks when they are acceptable. The problem however, I believe is systematic, and is traceable up to and including ownership and the fans. Until the days of going 9-7 and then taking a huge money shot in the face that a blue balled team has been storing up for weeks in a playoff game and ending the Chiefs' season are unacceptable, UNACCEPTABLE, then this 40+ year drought will continue.

I will also offer you a plea bargain.

But you won't like it.

We're going to find out just how much you like posting lies about Alex Smith here....what are you willing to do to retain the privilege? How far will you go?

My guess is you will just run and hide in shame.

No, I don't hope the 49ers lose. They can win with Colt McCoy for all I give a shit. I just don't like Kaepernick. Ill still begrudgingly be rooting for them. You wont see me with a Kaepernick jersey on though.

Yes, and like I said, I hope he does.

But if he will do it now, why didn't he do it before?

I don't think coaches change their stripes. I think they are who they are. Now, I don't think he's going to ask Smith to chuck it downfield a ton, but he needs to run the same offense that was successful early in his career in Philly.

:thumb:

Vick isn't a QB who can really make more than one read and actually read a defense.

He would have been well suited to run the pistol actually.

Sorry, I just don't see much difference in you and GoCHiefs then.

You hope your QB will fail because you don't like him, he hopes his QB will fail because he doesnt' like him.

Nope. No plea bargains for me, no mults. One, because first and foremost, im a man of my word. And second, I wont need any. You can have your get out of jail free card. I don't really care.....I just understand what is happening here. I also know the kind of fighter alex smith is.

I can understand that. Loyalty just runs deep for me. Come week one, ill be cheering for the 49ers. I don't have to personally like Kaep, or hope he succeeds. Im conflicted. Biting my nose to spite my face lol. Its complicated.

Well... Reid is a West Coast Offense guy. But look at what he's doing.

He brought in Alex Smith and Chase Daniel and wasted no expense to get these guys. Both these guys are ideal for a more read option oriented offense. He brought in Chris Ault to coach the pistol and Brad Childress, whose only job is to consult on the spread.

I don't know how much of a spread or pistol he will run. But it seems like he's sending a pretty clear signal that he's planning to change his stripes, and it seems like he picked a QB to run his new offense (versus picking an offense that can be run by his new QB).

Doesn't hoping your QB doesn't succeed, make it likely your team won't succeed?

I'm not all up to date on everything Reid did X's and O's wise every season in Philly.

He was a pretty good coach prior to his boys having personal issues the last few years. Maybe the change in cities will be a good thing in more ways than on for Reid. I'm thinking it will be.

I definitely agree with this, all of these flashy schemes are eventually figured out and you have to get back to bread and butter football.

First off, Ault has only worked with the defense so far, IIRC.

I think you are getting confused with read option though. Either of those guys are going to get killed if they start attacking a defensive end and optioning off him.

I think they're going to incorporate more spread concepts into the WCO, which IMO, after all I've been reading is very interesting.

I think the spread is here to stay. It's too beneficial.

The Pistol, though, i'm not so sure.

He got railed for it, but I agree with Dane. If you could put Cam Newton in this offensive system, he'd break every NFL record.

Personally, I think we'll see a similar offense to what he ran with McNabb, with more spread concepts in the passing game.


Sorter has brought it up and he's the expert on it, but upon reading more about it, I think spread passing concepts and route design are the new age of football.

The spread will definitely have a longer shelf life than the wildcat, but things will eventually come full circle imo.

Teams are going faster and lighter on defense to combat the spread, especially in terms of LB's.

I think there is something to going heavy and running it at people in the future.

Its completely relevant because if they do go 8-8 or better than my post will be spot on and you know it.

Not if they run it in the pistol. The pistol has become a very innovative offense. They have designed bluffs and "arc blocks" to fend off teams that attack their defensive ends.

I don't know that anybody really knows what Ault has been doing. It's possible he's working with Reid or Chilly. It's very, very hard to believe that you hire Chili as an offensive spread consultant, and not have Ault consult on the offense. I think we will expect to see a much heavier dose of the pistol next year.

What you have to like about the pistol is that you run a power running scheme in a shotgun offense. There is unbelievable opportunity to take care of mismatches. The 49ers run a pistol offense and they have probably one of the most innovative running attacks in the game.

I also forgot... the fact that tight end and fullback became top priority? Another big clue that we're moving more toward a pistol.

Not sure if it has been said in this thread yet (and I don't feel like wading through the same junk that crops up in every thread), but Alex's interview is now on kcchiefs.com

I'm saying when you run the spread option, you normally leave someone unblocked and option off of him. Now, they run some exotic concepts in terms of blocking it, but ultimately, someone is coming unblocked and you make him wrong.

I just don't want my QB running the option in the NFL against NFL defenses, unless he's built like Cam or Kaep.

Now, the spread, I like and I hope we do insert alot of route combinations.

It does appear like this philosophy stems from ownership, but most of the last 40 years were under Lamar. Clark is in charge now so we will see if it changes with a new GM and HC who value the QB position more than Pioli ever did.

Harbaugh has some awesome blocking schemes. But I think we'll be more inclined to throw out of it than run at teams.

This. I think the days of the spread being a gimmick are over. The rules in the NFL are geared for this sort of offense to succeed.

Russell Wilson averaged 200 per last season

Cool. If Alex Smith were in his second season, I'd be encouraged.

Comparing rookies to vets is exactly what happened when Smith's brother arrived in '09.

That's just plain stupid.

The NY Giants were 9-7 when they won the Super Bowl. The Cardinals were in the Super Bowl and barely lost with a 9-7 record. The Ravens were 10-6, as were the Packers.

All that matters is that you get into the playoffs on a hot streak and from there, anything can happen.

Alex Smith is becoming the True Fan litmus test.

Carl used to say something similar, and it was bullshit. "Getting into the tournament" is pointless unless you enter with a franchise QB.

That's not exactly true.

There was no QB worthy of a 1.1 this year so most likely, had they not acquired Alex Smith, they'd have given up a second round pick for a QB, if one was deemed worthy (and there wasn't).

So essentially, they gave up one pick for Smith. This season will determine whether or not it'll be a second or a third.

What were the alternatives? Kevin Kolb wasn't available and he blows. There wasn't jackshit in the draft, unless a team was willing to take a huge risk with E.J. Manuel. I firmly believe that if Geno Smith wasn't taken by the Jets, he would have fallen to the third round or later.

The Chiefs absolutely needed a capable starting QB under center this season and that's what they got.

Actually, I don't. There have been plenty of "retread" QB's that have guided their teams to the Super Bowl and to a Super Bowl victory. There's not just "One Way" to get there.

He also averaged 12.4 YPC and completed 28 passes over 20 yards.

Alex Smith can't do these things.

Andy Reid thinks he is a good QB for Reid's system. I would think he would be the best judge of what QB will work in his system.

Then why have so many Wild Card teams won the Super Bowl recently?

What matters most is that the team is jelling at the end of the season, going in "hot". And most guys don't prove they're a franchise QB until they've done some damage in the playoffs, so it's best to get there first.

I'd rather have Flynn for garbage than Smith for multiple second-rounders.

Yeah it doesn't matter who they get or what moves they make, their the right moves because the Chiefs made them and they aren't to be questioned.

I'm a serious football fan and I have a serious football question, fellas. Why don't we have a top 5 QB? Serious football answer: Our front office is dumb. I mean...our front office is sooo stupid. I mean don't they know we need a super bowl quarterback to win the super bowl? Fuggin' idiots. How are we supposed to win the super bowl with out a super bowl quarterback? What is their serious football problem? Umm, answer: they didn't want a super bowl winning quarterback, despite the nomenclature that suggests that said QB will, obviously, win the super bowl.

Hey front office, wake up! Here is the plan:

1) Get super bowl quarterback.

B) Win super bowl.

4) I proved righterer.

Not even after a 2-14 season? Really? Not very realistic.

Because these teams have had legit QBs? E. Manning? Big Rape? Etc. And I don't believe that you need a natural progression in order to establish a QB.

Smith is not a franchise QB. Period. And this is all that really matters. He's a ****ing waste of time and draft picks.

He couldn't do "those things" with a fatass Michael Crabtree and a TE in Vernon Davis. Before that, he didn't have shit for wideouts and the 49ers knew, taking a WR in the first round of 2012 (who sucked) and signing Manningham (who didn't play) and Grandpa Randy Moss.

You have absolutely no idea how he'll perform with Avery, Bowe, McCluster, Baldwin, Fasano, Charles and Kelce. You can speculate (which is what you've been doing all offseason) but you don't know.

It really depends on how you run it. The pistol is different from a typical read option because it allows for a north/south run option, whereas typical spread offenses tend to run east/west. There are also designed bluffs to take advantage of defenders who overpursue. For example, in a bluff, you check off the backside defensive end and run read option.

I can see your concern, but think the pistol has progressed far more than you give it credit for. Pete Carroll runs a pretty typical college offense, but Greg Roman/Jim Harbaugh are the ones who have really made it NFL ready. And I don't think you have to have a mobile QB to do it.

Wait. What? Davis is somehow part of the problem but Baldwin presents possibilities?

You're just arguing to argue.

Yeah, this attitude of "I'd rather go 2-14 again vs 10-6 and lose in the playoffs" is reeruned.

4 straight months of being the NFL's laughingstock again has to be miserable. If the Chiefs can turn their 2-14 into 9 or 10 wins, how could you not want that? even if you don't win a SB.. 30 other teams didn't either. Going 2-14 and ending up with the first overall pick again doesn't guarantee that you will then get a guaranteed QB stud in the draft.

Those teams also had great coaching, solid running backs and very good perimeter players.

Smith has never had an average receiving corp, let alone above average.

The compensation given to the 49ers didn't indicate that he was Elite, so I don't know who's expecting Elite. I expect above average QB play.

And to say that it's waste of draft picks before he's stepped foot on the field is a bit ridiculous. I'd rather see Alex Smith on the field than Eddie Freeman, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Patrick Surtain, Eric Warfield, Jeff Allen, Dexter McCluster and Javier Arenas.

How about you?

I really hope we're wrong for once about a QB. It'd be real nice to enjoy a playoff win, first since 93 when I was in 6th ****ing grade. But I guess the most right now that I can look forward to realistically is winning three games. Baby steps.

Given Reid's history, yes. But I'm intrigued.

I think Reid is trying to copycat SF's offense. If he does, it's a great fit for us. We have multiple RBs and we stacked with fullbacks and tight ends. Guess which other team does this? San Fran.

The pistol is a terrific formation for a running attack and there are a lot of innovative things you can do out of this formation. Arguably, it's a very run friendly formation. With our offensive line and Charles, that running game could be absolutely sick.

Most teams have been running the read option out of the shotgun and you come straight downhill when you do it, and you're always going to be reading either a DE or OLB depending on scheme.

I don't personally think the read option has a place in the NFL because defensive players are fast enough to disrupt the mesh point thus rendering it useless.

And if you want to effectively run the OPTION out of it, you have to have a mobile QB to render it effective. I think Smith is mobile enough, but I don't think it's a good idea.