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Mav 08-19-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9899409)
I don't know. I'd hope they give the guy(Demps) that returned one for a TD a shot first.

I think he has that job pretty much locked up.

Oregon chief 08-19-2013 01:59 PM

At least Alex Smith has worked with AJ for a year. I'm sure he provided some good intel on if he is worth anything. I'm glad to see Baldwin gone but hate the wasted potential...and pick.

L.A. Chieffan 08-19-2013 02:14 PM

Should make for an interesting side story when both teams meet up in Super Bowl XLVIII

Three7s 08-19-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon chief (Post 9899415)
At least Alex Smith has worked with AJ for a year. I'm sure he provided some good intel on if he is worth anything. I'm glad to see Baldwin gone but hate the wasted potential...and pick.

We could've had Torrey Smith. :(

Jakemall 08-19-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9899435)
Should make for an interesting side story when both teams meet up in Super Bowl XLVIII

I would love to see that.

Three7s 08-19-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9899435)
Should make for an interesting side story when both teams meet up in Super Bowl XLVIII

If something like that actually happened, Smith vs Kaepernick would be the story line.

Jakemall 08-19-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9899447)
If something like that actually happened, Smith vs Kaepernick would be the story line.

Probably the best story line that the NFL could hope for.

KCrockaholic 08-19-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9899441)
We could've had Torrey Smith. :(

Who was going to throw the 9 routes to Torrey Smith? He would've been held back big time in our offense. Then and now.

crossbow 08-19-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 9899018)
And now we know why he was targeted so much on Friday.

That is a good point and I would add that when Alex wants to he can accurately hit the deeper routes. I totally hated that trade but I like Smith's accuracy and mobility. That alone was a major improvement over what we had here. I think we have a shot at an 8-8 season.

The Oline is mostly young and needs to gel.
We still don't have the receivers we need but Trent Green didn't either. He did have a wall for an oline and that gave them time to get open.
The defense is very good and could be top 5 by the end of the year. (except for Spiro T. Agnew at corner).

We won 2 games last year with 6 probowlers on the team. There is talent to build on here.

ChiefsCountry 08-19-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899450)
Probably the best story line that the NFL could hope for.

Horseshit.

penbrook 08-19-2013 02:27 PM

They just released the depth chart for this week. Avery is the #2 followed by Wylie than Jenkins.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899450)
Probably the best story line that the NFL could hope for.

Harbaugh brothers was a good story line.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899450)
Probably the best story line that the NFL could hope for.

Brady choking to Eli FOR A 2ND TIME was a good story line.

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-19-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9899064)
Physically assaulting someone over a disagreement is criminal in every other work environment in America.

Jones should have been cut immediately and charges should have been filed.

A linebacker tackling a running back is criminal in every other work environment in America. There are fights between players in every training camp.

It's not an apples:apples comparison.

Setsuna 08-19-2013 02:33 PM

ROFL! KC fans and Niner fans arguing who's acquisition sucks the most. LMAO

crossbow 08-19-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9899356)
For sale: one J Baldwin jersey. Never did for me what I thought it would. Will take any equally disappointing jersey in trade.

Swap a Boomer Grigsby jersey for your Baldwin?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/68/682581.jpg

Pablo 08-19-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9899435)
Should make for an interesting side story when both teams meet up in Super Bowl XLVIII

A flawless transition from Cassel troll to Smith troll. I think you're doing a great job.

Bwana 08-19-2013 02:36 PM

Hmmm? From what I can see, we just obtained a pussy and the 9ers got a guy with a 10 cent head, does that about cover it?

Bottom line, there was nothing to lose for either team, so what the hell, roll the dice.

penbrook 08-19-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9899477)
Hmmm? From what I can see, we just obtained a pussy and the 9ers got a guy with a 10 cent head, does that about cover it?

Bottom line, there was nothing to lose for either team, so what the hell, roll the dice.

Don't worry Jenkins is the #5 receiver right now. Just released the depth chart.

Rain Man 08-19-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899450)
Probably the best story line that the NFL could hope for.

Here's hoping that the NFL is rigged.

WhawhaWhat 08-19-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9899447)
If something like that actually happened, Smith vs Kaepernick would be the story line.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Bwana 08-19-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9899479)
Don't worry Jenkins is the #5 receiver right now. Just released the depth chart.

Print um. PBJ

Mav 08-19-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9899477)
Hmmm? From what I can see, we just obtained a pussy and the 9ers got a guy with a 10 cent head, does that about cover it?

Bottom line, there was nothing to lose for either team, so what the hell, roll the dice.

essentially.

Or you can break it down like this.

A giant of a man that plays like a pussy, and a scrawny runt that is a pussy and gets treated as such.

They just switched spots.

Setsuna 08-19-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9899472)
A flawless transition from Cassel troll to Smith troll. I think you're doing a great job.

I put him on ignore after he decided to troll with Smith. Can't take the idiocy any longer.

Easy 6 08-19-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9899479)
Don't worry Jenkins is the #5 receiver right now. Just released the depth chart.

OUR FIVE WIDE SET IS GONNA RULE

Squatch 08-19-2013 02:46 PM

Even if he never does anything else, it would be hilarious if he goes out and gets 100 yards and 2 TDs against Jacksonville. It won't happen but it would be funny.

Mav 08-19-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9899495)
I put him on ignore after he decided to troll with Smith. Can't take the idiocy any longer.

no one cares that you have them on ignore jags fan.

penbrook 08-19-2013 02:48 PM

Jenkins is behind Avery and Wylie at the #2 WR spot.

Urc Burry 08-19-2013 02:52 PM

http://i43.tinypic.com/9asaw2.jpg

Mav 08-19-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 9899518)

DAAAAAMNNNNNN.

Apparently, by gones, aren't by gones lol

Mr. Arrowhead 08-19-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 9899518)

LMAO that is awesome

vailpass 08-19-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9899484)
Here's hoping that the NFL is rigged.

Broncos already have that nailed down.

ChiefRocka 08-19-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 9899518)

I disagree..his best moment was a play that was called back when he caught the ball behind the defenders back and controlled it through the process. One of the crazier catches I've seen. Although Reggie Waynes the other night against the Giants was pretty sick also.

Bwana 08-19-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 9899518)

That about covers it. Two looks at it from yesteryear.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8...t-sucker-punch

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...rookie-injured

QuikSsurfer 08-19-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 9899518)

ROFLROFLROFL

HemiEd 08-19-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9898743)
would of rather had them cancel the Smith compensation pick next year

I was hoping that Baldwin was to offset the pick for next year. :(

scho63 08-19-2013 03:19 PM

When the biggest highlight of your short 2 1/4 year NFL career as a FIRST ROUND pick is a catch that was called back, you know your time is up!

There's not a single ounce of remorse in me for shedding this piece of dead weight.

GOOD RIDDANCE!

Hammock Parties 08-19-2013 03:20 PM

Jon Baldwin finally gets to play with a real QB, so there's that.

scho63 08-19-2013 03:24 PM

From what I am hearing in San Fran, they had no one left who was willing to clean the toilets so the Baldwin trade will work out well for them.

chiefzilla1501 08-19-2013 03:29 PM

Glad they got rid of Baldwin. But biggest win is that we can stop wasting time with Baldwin running with the 1's, and finally see what Avery's got.

Mav 08-19-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9899591)
Glad they got rid of Baldwin. But biggest win is that we can stop wasting time with Baldwin running with the 1's, and finally see what Avery's got.

yeah, that's what I said earlier.

CaliforniaChief 08-19-2013 03:31 PM

The bottom line is that Baldwin had no future here and was going to be cut.

Jenkins comes here with no expectations, so if he works out, great. If not, oh well.

It's a mutually beneficial trade.

Discuss Thrower 08-19-2013 03:33 PM

Anything was preferable to just cutting him and then seeing him show up in New England, Green Bay, Dallas or Pittsburgh and then become a key part of a Super Bowl run.

Deberg_1990 08-19-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9899567)
When the biggest highlight of your short 2 1/4 year NFL career as a FIRST ROUND pick is a catch that was called back, you know your time is up!

There's not a single ounce of remorse in me for shedding this piece of dead weight.

GOOD RIDDANCE!

Actually he had 1 more highlight:


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/nMKF5eX7EKA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


"Thats what Todd Haley does......he develops receivers" ROFL

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 03:42 PM

Just heard 49ers "insider" Matt Barrows on the radio discussing Jenkins.

He said Baalke traded Jenkins because the coaches demanded it. He said Jenkins had to go because of bad work ethic and just not taking things seriously and no motivation. He said he thinks it could have been a locker-room cancer to keep him as the 5th or 6th WR, when much harder working guys got cut. As if the veterans might be upset over keeping a guy who won't work hard.

He mentioned a sideline shot during the KC SF game where Jenkins was joking with the other WRs and they were having none of it. Shut him down. Just completely ignored him. Nobody wanted him there from his coaches to the other WRs.

Barrows repeated about some guys being the first in the door every morning (Kaepernick) and made it sound like Jenkins was the last to come in each day and the first to leave. He talked about guys staying late and working round the clock, making it sound like Jenkins did not put in any extra effort.

He talked about Harbaugh's continued praise of Quinton Patton and Patton's drive and dedication and motivation. The implication is Jenkins is the opposite.

Bottom line, he made it sound like Jenkins was just very lazy with no dedication and no desire to learn his craft or develop his skills.

If the Chiefs can fix that, the performance will come. Frankly, I don't believe it is fixable. Guys have it or don't. You can't coach self-motivation or work ethic any more than you can make a short-haired chic grow her hair out long, or get a chic that wears sweats to bed to start wearing lingerie. It is either there from the start, or it isn't.

Maybe this is a wake up call. Chiefs can only hope.

Deberg_1990 08-19-2013 03:43 PM

Baldwin and Jenkins sound like the same guy. They got paid, and then get the "I made it" attitude.

Mike in SW-MO 08-19-2013 03:50 PM

WR 17 Donnie Avery 19 Devon Wylie A.J. Jenkins 8 Josh Bellamy 85 Frankie Hammond Jr.
WR 82 Dwayne Bowe 22 Dexter McCluster 88 Junior Hemingway 15 Terrance Copper 14 Tyler Shoemaker 84 Jamar Newsome 83 Rico Richardson

I find the new depth chart kind of interesting. Wylie and McCluster as the #1 sub on both sides, when they are actually slot.

That makes Hemingway the top sub for Bowe and AJ is starting as the top sub for Avery.

If Avery does not work out as the #2 guy opposite Bowe, who gets the chance to at that spot? Hemingway (Mr. 7th round)? or AJ (Mr.1st round)?

007 08-19-2013 03:52 PM

so we traded shit for shit.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9899632)
so we traded shit for shit.

That is all it is. New name. Same old shit. Gives the team a new guy to hate.

Mother****erJones 08-19-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9899632)
so we traded shit for shit.

Exactly. It's a wash.

Saccopoo 08-19-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9899495)
I put him on ignore after he decided to troll with Smith. Can't take the idiocy any longer.

That's saying a lot considering the ****ing garbage you spew around here on a daily basis.

RealSNR 08-19-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike in SW-MO (Post 9899627)
WR 17 Donnie Avery 19 Devon Wylie A.J. Jenkins 8 Josh Bellamy 85 Frankie Hammond Jr.
WR 82 Dwayne Bowe 22 Dexter McCluster 88 Junior Hemingway 15 Terrance Copper 14 Tyler Shoemaker 84 Jamar Newsome 83 Rico Richardson

I find the new depth chart kind of interesting. Wylie and McCluster as the #1 sub on both sides, when they are actually slot.

That makes Hemingway the top sub for Bowe and AJ is starting as the top sub for Avery.

If Avery does not work out as the #2 guy opposite Bowe, who gets the chance to at that spot? Hemingway (Mr. 7th round)? or AJ (Mr.1st round)?

Outside of Bowe, Avery's been the most consistent thing in this entire WR corps all offseason. Why the **** wouldn't he work out and someone else would?

Mike in SW-MO 08-19-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9899656)
Outside of Bowe, Avery's been the most consistent thing in this entire WR corps all offseason. Why the **** wouldn't he work out and someone else would?

Avery 1 reception for 6 yards
Hemingway 1 reception for 7 yards

If you want to talk about most consistent, try Jamar Newsome with 4 receptions for 27 yards.

Avery has been suspect since before he got here. Speed merchant with questionable hands. I would love it if he panned out as a guy to take the top off defense. Not sure I am in the boat of picking him over the field at this point.

Dayze 08-19-2013 04:11 PM

has he seriously only caught 1 ball?
...please tell me I read things completely wrong

TEX 08-19-2013 04:12 PM

Just when you think Pioli coulld not suck any worse, you realize he can. Getting absolutely NOTHING from 1st round picks is ****ING AWESOME! Matt Millen has nothing on Scott Pioli.

Fat Elvis 08-19-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9899676)
has he seriously only caught 1 ball?
...please tell me I read things completely wrong

Well, that is one more ball than Jenkins has caught his entire career.....

Dayze 08-19-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9899681)
Well, that is one more ball than Jenkins has caught his entire career.....

yeah was referring to Jenkins...he caught only 1 ball? :eek:

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-19-2013 04:15 PM

I thought Alex Smith loved TEs?

Dante84 08-19-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9899683)
yeah was referring to Jenkins...he caught only 1 ball? :eek:

He was a rookie that was active for only 3 games, stuck behind 4 legit receivers. It's understandable, even if disappointing, that his stats are what they are..

Hopefully he grows the **** up, but given that the 49ers got rid of him, that's a fat chance.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9899683)
yeah was referring to Jenkins...he caught only 1 ball? :eek:

No, he has 0 catches.

5 games, 1 target, 0 catches in 2012.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14947/aj-jenkins

AussieChiefsFan 08-19-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9898677)
Damn thats a let down. One bust for another. They probably talked and were like hey we are both cutting these guys lets swap and see if a change in scenery helps either one of them.

No risk.

Pretty much this. I'm happy with this trade.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 9899694)
He was a rookie that was active for only 3 games, stuck behind 4 legit receivers. It's understandable, even if disappointing, that his stats are what they are..

Hopefully he grows the **** up, but given that the 49ers got rid of him, that's a fat chance.

Stuck behind Nobody. Manningham & Williams had season ending injuries. Randy Moss was #2 behind Crabree. Moss was getting very few targets. There was a desperate need for a productive #2. Jenkins was just a lazy ass and didn't do anything to put himself on a pro football field.

Jenkins was stuck behind NOBODY. When you put Chad Hall into a playoff game, you are stuck behind NOBODY.

Your new WR is a turd, just like our new WR.

scho63 08-19-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9899610)
Actually he had 1 more highlight:

:hmmm:

I guess they were not so memorable

AussieChiefsFan 08-19-2013 04:28 PM

Hopefully we'll see more of Avery this weekend.

Fat Elvis 08-19-2013 04:29 PM

At least I got chicken.

RealSNR 08-19-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike in SW-MO (Post 9899670)
Avery 1 reception for 6 yards
Hemingway 1 reception for 7 yards

If you want to talk about most consistent, try Jamar Newsome with 4 receptions for 27 yards.

Avery has been suspect since before he got here. Speed merchant with questionable hands. I would love it if he panned out as a guy to take the top off defense. Not sure I am in the boat of picking him over the field at this point.

Dwayne Bowe 0 receptions

WHAT IF BOWE DOESN'T WORK OUT

-King- 08-19-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike in SW-MO (Post 9899670)
Avery 1 reception for 6 yards
Hemingway 1 reception for 7 yards

If you want to talk about most consistent, try Jamar Newsome with 4 receptions for 27 yards.

Avery has been suspect since before he got here. Speed merchant with questionable hands. I would love it if he panned out as a guy to take the top off defense. Not sure I am in the boat of picking him over the field at this point.

Avery is a 600-800 yard a year guy. He has proven it in his career. He should work easily.

Chiefaholic 08-19-2013 04:34 PM

Baldwin was gonna leave the team one way or another, so might as well take a chance on a guy who has the physical skills to fit the new scheme better. Best of luck to Jon on a legit Superbowl caliber team, and we can keep our fingers crossed that Jenkins change of environment is the wake up call he needs to put up or shut up. He can go home and actually get a real job, or play his ass off and live up to his physical potential.

Kiimo 08-19-2013 04:36 PM

I think Donnie Avery can do nicely. Get him going with the starters and see if we can finally start throwing to some receivers next game.

scho63 08-19-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9899680)
Just when you think Pioli coulld not suck any worse, you realize he can. Getting absolutely NOTHING from 1st round picks is ****ING AWESOME! Matt Millen has nothing on Scott Pioli.

:clap:

Pioli also organized a trade with former colleague Thomas Dimitroff, later the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, that sent longtime Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta in exchange for a draft pick that brought Javier Arenas to the Chiefs.

Pioli was responsible for the hiring of Cassel and his back up Brady Quinn as quarterbacks. The Chiefs had the worst record in the NFL for interceptions (20) in 2012 (Cassel threw 12 and Quinn threw 8). The Chiefs had the worst record in the NFL in offensive passing.

Both Crennel and Pioli were fired at the end of the season with Pioli formally being fired January 4, 2013. Cassel was also unconditionally released.

During Pioli's term, more than half the Chiefs back office personnel left the organization including club president Denny Thum who was team president and had been with the organization since 1974

DAMN IMPRESSIVE!!! ROFL

Jakemall 08-19-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9899696)
No, he has 0 catches.

5 games, 1 target, 0 catches in 2012.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14947/aj-jenkins

None of those games with Alex at QB if I'm not mistaken. Not saying this to suggest that he'll get better with Alex as much as to dispell the thoughts that Alex might have any kind of chemistry with him.

Jakemall 08-19-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB) (Post 9899570)
Jon Baldwin finally gets to play with a real QB, so there's that.

If he couldn't catch it when Alex loft it into his hands, what makes you think he'll do better with the missles that Kaep launches?

The difference is that Kaep's throws will break ribs when he lets it hit the numbers. I predict Baldwin goes on IR before the 53 cuts.

9er guy 08-19-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9899715)
At least I got chicken.

"I can't cast!"

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-19-2013 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9899742)
:clap:

During Pioli's term, more than half the Chiefs back office personnel left the organization including club president Denny Thum who was team president and had been with the organization since 1974

DAMN IMPRESSIVE!!! ROFL

If those were Carl cronnies, they needed gone.

Hammock Parties 08-19-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899744)
None of those games with Alex at QB if I'm not mistaken. Not saying this to suggest that he'll get better with Alex as much as to dispell the thoughts that Alex might have any kind of chemistry with him.

Alex Smith is not making ANY WRs better.

Thig Lyfe 08-19-2013 04:45 PM

So... we're NOT moving him to TE?

Mike in SW-MO 08-19-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9899717)
Dwayne Bowe 0 receptions

WHAT IF BOWE DOESN'T WORK OUT

With Alex chucking it, may have nobody but Fasano, Charles, and McCluster work out.

Was not trying to bust your chops. Since you said Avery was most consistent in offseason, it got me curious and looked up the stats. Thought it was funny Avery and Hemingway had almost identical stat lines.

Jakemall 08-19-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB) (Post 9899759)
Alex Smith is not making ANY WRs better.

He hasn't appeared to do so during the pre-season. I can't disagree.

On the other hand, he has done what some have been asking for...put enough focus on Baldwin to get his ass off the team.

Chief Roundup 08-19-2013 04:57 PM

Cool. Why not? Both were most likely going to be cut anyway. It makes sense to possible help both players and both teams since they compliment each others style of play better. If it doesn't work oh well. Nothing ventured nothing gained. But if these guys don't show something in the next couple of weeks with their new teams they will most likely be out of the league.

Kaepernick 08-19-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9899744)
None of those games with Alex at QB if I'm not mistaken. Not saying this to suggest that he'll get better with Alex as much as to dispell the thoughts that Alex might have any kind of chemistry with him.

Yeah, good point.


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