Flowers is fairly small, and he has played a pretty physical brand of football since he was drafted.

That has begun to take it's toll on his body.

His prime years are behind him as a result.

Could Abdullah turn into a stud, sure.


So could anyone of the 90 players we've got on the roster. But when it comes to playing the odds, Dorsey sure as shit isn't playing the favorites this year.

we are cutting salary cap and playing the long shots.


smells like another rebuild/retool/cap cleaning to me

Abdullah was a stud in the most important game of the year. He played better than Berry did in that game against the Colts.

Couldn't agree more, Milk. He was a good player, but time has taken its toll.

great then Abdullah will make the pro bowl
our defense with be top 5
and the Chiefs are heading for the super bowl



i'm so happy

All I'm saying is that all we needed was at least average production from that position with someone who is fundamentally sound. We would have gotten that with Clemons but we decided not to sign him. However, judging from how well Abdullah played in his limited time, he can provide at least average production from the position and be a fundamentally sound player. Lewis and Demps were absolutely terrible in coverage.

You don't think he's past his prime?

this season was destined for a butt rape anyways. now it's just a butt rape with a BBC.

I'm ok with this move but anyone saying flowers was our third best corner last year is a ****tard. None of them were elite but he and Sean smith were a toss up. Just because he played the slot doesn't mean he's our worst .

Or we paid attention to the games and statistics.

Flowers stats: 7 Pdef, 1 INT.

QB passer rating when throwing against him: 103 average, 66.7% completion success, 847 yards surrendered, 4 TDs allowed.

Out of all of our secondary players who had significant playing time last year, Flowers was second to last in PBUs. He was only ahead of Kendrick Lewis and he was behind Quintin Demps. Think about that for a second.

If you think that's good . . . ROFL

Brandon was a good corner for us....
until last year with the new scheme.

Let's consider the fact that he was the 4th WORST corner in PFF ratings last season. I loved the guy, I will miss him, but you mean to say we can't replace that? We are a defense that is built off getting to the QB in many ways, we have to have corners who can man up big receivers without help. 5'9" isn't that exactly that. I stand by my stance that Gaines will be our best, or at least 2nd best CB by next year.

Houston/Smith >>> Flowers

Stats don't tell the whole truth. Demps and flowers had significantly different amounts of playing time. Coopers stats look good but he was shit at the end of the year against solid qb play. Flowers was out for most of the dogshit qbs we played. Do tell more....

So we did the bare minimum to improve the situation.

almost never works out well because something else usually goes wrong



Even when you overkill the situation it often doesn't turn out as well as you hoped

We can like it or hate it, but at the end of the day the guys running the show are the only ones with a say and they thought this was the right thing. I'll just tell all that as someone who has played football on tight-knit teams, and selfish teams, having a guy around who doesn't like how he is being used and shows it (missing OTA's), can kill chemistry.

And no, Houston's sitch isn't the same. Trying to get paid.

It also didnt help that he played with a bum knee all season. If thats healed and he goes to a team that uses a scheme that plays to his strengths, (Houston) Id expect him to play as he did in 2012. Of course he'll no doubt bang something else up this season. When players keep getting banged up, its usually a sign they're slipping.

This is what get's me. Number's wise he's been a proven commodity as a defensive back and it's not like he's past his prime. He's certainly not any worse than carlos rogers and everybody in the league saw what that did for San Francisco.

At this point I'm convinced the league is ran by knuckle dragging jagoffs with IQ's of 70. I'd almost like to see a baseball manager come into the league and use predictive analytics to create a team, just to watch them destroy some of these slightly reeruned ego maniacs with clipboards that can't grasp basic middle school statistics.

Well said. This says it all.

You're right. Flowers had 866 defensive snaps to Demps' 637. Flowers had a hell of a lot more opportunities to make plays. Over 200 snaps more. And yet Demps was more productive.:thumb:

Difference between Cooper and Flowers was that Cooper only struggled against the top QBs, Manning and Rivers; which was to be expected given his limited experience with playing the position. Flowers struggled against everybody despite being hailed as a "top 10 corner" by CP.

When the coaching staff pulled Flowers from #1 CB responsibilities after watching him get absolutely destroyed by Dez Bryant, that should have told you something.

Flowers missed a game against the Giants. They only scored 7 points.

Flowers missed the first game against the Raiders. They only scored 7 points.

Flowers played the 2nd game against the Raiders. They scored 31 points.

Flowers missed exactly 1 game against a bad QB. You really think that was the difference between the huge statistical drop between Flowers and virtually everybody else in the secondary? ROFL

How about squandering $30 million under the cap for basically nothing. Well we did get DUI Smith out of the deal.

Yeah, they squandered it all the way from a 2-14 team to an 11-5 team. Terrible decision making.

again, people come, and people go, this is how the NFL works. Flowers was slowing down, they got out early. Someone has to step up and play. Happens to all the teams in the NFL.

MAYBE a year past but not washed up. He played hurt last year so a dip in performance would be obvious.

i dont see the big deal, its a smart move, better to get out 1 year to early then 1 year to late.

So you would have been fine with using $10+ mil in cap space on him?

I would've reworked his deal instead of hiring Dunta Robinson. I don't really care that they cut him as much as I'm sick of dumb **** homers saying we are better off with out him. Now we can spend the money on a Smiff 5 year $120 million contract, I'm just ****ing ecstatic.

He's had nagging injuries the past 2 years. And seeing as how we're going to be playing more physical this year, his body likely won't hold up.

The thing is that Flowers didn't want to stay here in his new role in the first place. There is no way that he would have agreed to a pay cut.

Cpers think the game is like Madden. He didn't fit here no one wanted the contract. ...buh bye

truth is, we dont know what they are going to do with the money just yet! At least wait til they spend the money on him to cry.

I didn't realize the board was taking auditions for the new mecca. DL is trying hard.

... Dorsey uses football analytics to draft..

Well cry on on then. I'll get u some kleenex

Oh I wasn't talking about you bud. Was agreeing. Worded it wrong I guess.

So based on the comments in this thread, there should be very few complaints when Tamba is next.

If it means we do something with the damned cap savings then yes.

I'm expecting it just like I was expecting this one.

Tamba Hali has been my fovorite player on this Chiefs team, but he is starting to show the wear and tear of the years in the NFL, and I'd rather move on before that decline really takes hold than to hold on too long.

That time is approaching.

I think the bucs should go after him. A team that runs a more zone oriented system could still get several quality years from him.

You are correct though. He's dinged up all the time and obviously plays hurt a lot.

Tamba has one more year here then I am expecting him to be replaced.

If Tamba can accept a lesser contract and a lesser role as he declines, that would be ideal. I hate to lose guys like Hali... the tireless worker who sets the example for other players.

Of course that's not realistic... even as he declines someone will have enough need at pass rusher to overpay him.

Of course he should be here (imo) until we have someone on the roster who can bring comparable heat, even if it is pricy.

I would have no problem with it if they decided to treat Tamba like Baltimore did with Suggs. Sign him to an extension that keeps him here on a pretty low salary (never more than $5-6 mil in any given season). I'd also be ok if they just outright let him go if 1 key thing also happens, Ford proves that he is capable of being a good starting OLB.

I agree I think this year is it for Tamba. It would be nice if we could rework his deal to lower the cap hit and make it 2 years but Dorsey just seems like he's not real skilled at working the cap and making the contract more friendly. Or he just doesn't care.

Yep.


Not a **** will be given by me.

I'd like to hear why people think he has another year, but it was ok to cut Flowers now.

I had assumed they'd both be cut after the 2014 season, unless they agreed to stay on at a drastically lower pay grade.

I can't understand why they wouldn't hold on to Flowers for one more season. That would make way more sense, even needing to extend Houston and Smith.

Maybe because Flowers sucked on the perimeter in this system and sucked in the slot? So they want to move on to someone who might stand a chance at being better?

will he land with the patriots :shrug:

He'd be their 4th best corner. The only places where he'll get a shot at starting is Oakland or SD and maybe Detroit. That's because their secondaries are so bad.

I would think he would want to play for a playoff team instead of start for a shit team

Now you're just being dramatic.

Revis, Browner one could agree with. Neither play inside though. Arrington is a solid slot CB but can't play on the outside as well as Flowers.

I've tried, but I just can't get too worked up about this. I likes Flowers, but he's declining. I ask myself these questions;

Was he an above average player? (I don't think so, anymore)

Did he fit our scheme? (Mostly not)

Was he worth his contract? (Absolutely not)

Are the players expected to replace him better than he is? (Probably not as I type this, but my gut feeling is that they will produce AT LEAST as well as he would've this coming season)

Does this move make us better? (No)
Does this move make us worse? (IMO, marginally, if that)

The biggest thing I think we'll miss is Flowers run support on the fringes. He was courageous in run support.

Why can't Flowers move to safety?

We're not really going to miss him, this was going to happen sooner or later anyway.

Lets get the length, speed and youth out there asap... sincere best wishes to a model Chief, but this is best for everyone involved.

I think, ultimately, this is the churn we should expect with our roster. It's a pure weighing of value. Is the money tied up in a declining player worth more than if we could spend that money now or in the future on an ascending player? This regime clearly believes it isn't.

Right. A top 10 CB over the past 4 seasons had a down year while playing in a new scheme so we'll move on to a #2 that was legitimately raped in his time as a #1 CB, an undrafted FA, a journeyman, a 5'9" slot guy, and a 3rd round rookie...

Solid plan.

because we cut him LMAO

He wouldn't start over either Revis or Browner. Dennard would likely be slotted ahead of him. Their younger DB, Logan Ryan, had a great year last year with 5 INTs in limited time so they'll likely put him ahead of Flowers too because his ceiling would be higher.

Flowers was so good last year.

QB stats against Flowers in 2013:

64/96 66.7% comp against Flowers

846 yards allowed

4 TDs

103 passer rating

But by all means, hang on to the 5'9" CB who runs a 4.55 with a 30" vertical when he clearly demonstrated last season that he would be nothing more than an ineffective player in this scheme. Hell, he couldn't even manage the slot at a high level.

How many times do you plan to post the same thing?

As many times as it takes for people to realize that he actually really sucked last year and was nowhere near worth the $10+ mil cap hit.

That's subjective.

Would you agree he was our third best corner?
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No.

Hmm We don't have any more Brandons.

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Numbers mean jack

Look at Seattles defense.. other than Earl Thomas they are all low drafted player. We need to get Berry to playing FS, thats more important.

Yea. People that aren't college educated and have never been through a proper stat's 300' class don't understand that it's all about using the average to gain a proper perspective. Flowers walking right now is a crime.

It's obvious now that we should be copying Seattles defense.

But we started the trend toward taller CB's before Seattle won the SB shutting down one of the best offenses in history... And that isn't scheme/Sutton specific... he was supposed to be bringing in Ryans scheme (who employed shorter cb's).

so the foresight of the trend was good

Sounds awesome.
Enjoy yourself.

Seattle didn't shut Denver down because they were tall. They shut Denver down because they tackled well and gave up few YAC.

They won because of the scheme they played. They won all year with it. You could have a the best tacklers in the world but if you tried to play that Denver team with a cover 2 defense you're giving up 40 +

For someone?

Holy shit, your dumbassery needs to end. If you truly believe that just because you're playing Cover 3 means that you're going to have success, you are a complete mongoloid.

In the Div round this year, the Broncos had 3rd and 17 with 3:07 left with the ball on their own 20. Peyton correctly worked away from the rotation and found Thomas for a 21 yard gain.



The defense the Chargers called?



Your beloved, all-powerful, unstoppable Cover 3.



Hoo. ****ing. Ray.

Seriously, this is Blackbob dumbassery.

"Just install the same defense as _______ and you'll perform just like them!"

There isn't even a reason to draft players or have coaches because by Odin, if we simply install C3 and run that and only that, we'll be the best defense eva! Who gives a flying **** about gap integrity, combo-coverages, and the players that determine whether or not a team's philosophy and scheme are successful?

3-3-5 4 ever

I felt the same way.

My point about Hali is that he's older, has absolutely lost a step, is a one trick pony and was invisible after Week 7, with the exception of the Washington game.

But I guarantee if Hali was released today, some of the same folks praising Dorsey for dumping a big cap number would be pissy for doing the same with Tamba.

Hadn't noticed this dumbass until a couple of days ago, but.....


Holeeee Shit!

He's a god damn moron!