I put Tannehill in Alex's class or a class below him. Last year was nice. I want to see him repeat it and keep progressing.

I made the decision long ago, that there are about 15 people here who's football (or sports in general) opinions I really look at and debate. I like the good debate here, hell i've changed my opinion on things by how it's approached here.

But theres some bad ones. I just gloss over it.

I wish I made the decision long ago. It was at the beginning of this year where I started adding more and more people to my ignore list and downloaded super ignore. Before that, I only had 1 or 2 people on it. But that decision has helped a little bit in terms of the readability of the site and how I enjoy it overall. It's just annoying when people quote the posters I have on ignore. Even with super ignore I still see quoted posts.

That's the problem with this board.

Tannehill threw for 27 TDs and 4000 yards IN HIS THIRD YEAR IN THE NFL.

And people lump him in with Alex Smith...OR BELOW? ROFL

And did so with very average/below average weapons and a middle of the pack running game.

Speaking as a Patriots fan, Tannehill is an increasing problem. I'm hoping that kid's game levels off or he is going to a PITA for years to come.

Yeah, so is Alex.

Brady has size and arm.

Wilson is a slightly above marginal talent with the uncanny ability to get onto the field and quarterback for the most talented team in the NFL.

I would give up more picks for Bobby Wagner than Russell Wilson. They were a much better team when Wagner came back from injury than they were prior. I bet they (Seahawks) give Wagner the money he wants (which is rumored to be in the 10 million per area) before they give Wilson his.

God dammit dude. You say some stupid shit.

You shouldn't with super ignore

What browser do you use?

Could be worse. He could of had no WR's or OL like our QB

Chrome

Hum.

I dint have it anymore but use to run it with Firefox and it worked great

... like Seattle...

Trivial pursuit, 2083: "who was the only qb drafted by the Chiefs in the last 100 years to actually start a game for the team?"

-Answer: Brodie Croyle

Of course you would. Wagner went to college in Utah. You'd give up picks, your mouth, your ass, etc. You'd take Chuckie Keeton over Wilson.

I would because Bobby Wagner is the best middle linebacker in the NFL. Russell Wilson is not the best QB in football and never will be.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wilson. He's clutch and has moxie. However, he's limited as a thrower and as a NFL level QB. He's the modern day equivalent of Doug Flutie. And I liked Flutie. But they are the same guy. If they can keep a team around him, they can win, but Wilson, on his own, cannot carry a team.

I don't think he's as good as Alex Smith TBPH.

Right. Six playoff wins in three seasons is nowhere near as good as a guy with one in ten.

What part of, "he would be superior to Alex in every conceivable way in Reid's system" are you just not getting?

Now don't get me wrong: I find Reid's WCO to be a bag of dicks, and Smith to be deplorable. That said, he IS the coach, it IS the system, and Wilson is the premier guy to be running it.

Wise up, boy.

Have

It's a pet peeve. :)

I would say he's more like McNabb.

That team was absolutely loaded and ready when Wilson stepped in as QB. Most of their draft picks had panned out and were kept and played by the team. It was a young team, but had continuity, attitude and an identity.

As well, Gus Bradley put in place a defensive philosophy that was excellent for the personnel that they had and Pete Carroll was able to instill his infectious enthusiasm into the young team.

Wilson was given a chance that, in most likelihood, no other team in the NFL would have given him and he jumped on it and has done a very good job in quarterbacking the team.

They were the youngest team overall in NFL history to win a Superbowl.

However, as another has pointed out, they have a plethora of starters, very high quality starters, coming up for free agency. Okung and Wagner among them - two guys who should be considered among the best at their respective positions in the entire NFL.

They will have one more chance at a run at the Superbowl in 2015 before salary demands at key positions breakup the team (potentially). This is why Wilson is wanting his money now, before the decline or breakup and he's forced to shoulder more of the load personally and his numbers and effectiveness take a hit thus lowering his perceived value on the open market.

With the Seahawks, it was immediately apparent that they were a much better team when Bobby Wagner was on the field. With Wilson, the guy can throw for 103 yards and still win a playoff game. Throw four interceptions and still win a playoff game. I'm not sure that I give that guy $20 million a season without the respective pieces in place and if those respective pieces are in place, I would be inclined to go with a more natural or prototypical NFL QB versus the try hard midget.

With the 2015 Chiefs, I sincerely believe that the pieces are in place for a serious three year run. They've had back to back winning seasons with some serious caveats attached to the team, but have addressed those issues (for the most part) this off-season. They are ready.

First Down Rate Passing on 3rd Down
1. Romo 54.8%

9. Smith 46.0%

27. Wilson 39.1%

The Colts rely heavily on Luck to win games, way more so than Seattle relies on Wilson to win games. For me, Luck is the best QB in the NFL.

I'm somewhat perplexed that you find Reid's offensive system to be a "bag of dicks" seeing as we've had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years (which came off of the single worst season in franchise history).

The results say it works, and works quite well.

Wilson is similar to Smith from a QB style perspective. Their stats have been relatively similar over the past three seasons. They are both accurate, mechanical passers with good athleticism showing the ability to break from the pocket and run. Both are smart and have command of their systems. However, Wilson fumbles a lot, takes a high number of sacks (behind a much better line than Smith has had to work with over the same three year period) as well as having the obvious physical limitations in terms of height and weight.

At this point, I would take Smith over Wilson. In fact, I think we already have a Wilson on the roster in Aaron Murray. (One could even argue that Chase Daniel was a Wilson type prospect coming out of college.)

Big. ****ing. Deal.

Who is asked to do more in their role? Think about that...

Precisely.

Trent Dilfer had a 5-1 playoff record

Let's crown him too

ROFL Doug Flutie? You're out of your ****ing mind. Wilson is still very young. Young QBs don't carry their teams early on. You don't know if he can or can't.

:facepalm:

I don't agree with saccapoo at all, but Andrew Luck absolutely does carry the Colts.

Well, first off, this is hilarious.

Smith liked to throw 3 yard passes on 3rd down, so, LMAO

Also ... no surprise on Romo, he is the most underrated QB of my lifetime.

Ya he does I wasn't thinking about him for some reason. But he's the exception to the rule. He's the best QB prospect of all time.

Andrew Luck had 1 impressive win last year. 1. It was against the Denver Broncos in the playoffs where Peyton Manning had the arm strength of a 9 year old kid.

They beat shit team after shit team after shit team.

I think Luck will be the best QB in the NFL ... eventually. He just isn't yet. And I think the excuses are ridiculous. He's a bit like Flacco where he likes to have an occasional great game followed up by a game where he looks atrocious (not quite as much as Flacco, who often looks like the worst QB I've ever seen).

I always have a disagreement with a steeler fan who says Romo sucks. I'd take Romo in a heartbeat

Luck does play in the easiest division.

and Luck carried his team, eh? His last 4 regular season games he had 3 awful games and 1 ok game and they went 3-1. His ok game was week 17 against Tennessee.

It's tiring. Luck played SIGNIFICANTLY worse against New England than Wilson played against Packers (where people conveniently forget about the amazing clutch play he displayed in the 4th and OT where most QB's would have folded) ... but, somehow, people have just determined that it is Andrew Luck vs. the world. I guess.

I think Luck will be great. But I'm already starting to hate him immensely.

The point IS valid. Luck DOES carry the team. Without him, Indy struggles to win 5 games.

in that division, put Wilson on the Colts ...

do the Colts still win the division?

Try and tell me no.

:facepalm: I swear you are braindead sometimes.

I just can't believe the disrespect Wilson gets. Simply mind boggling.

You should have started hating him on January 4th, 2014 like the rest of us.

I should have voted "no". Wilson deserves better than this idiotic fan base that thinks Alex Smith is the same caliber as he is.

Learn how this ****ing sport is played, and how these 2 QBs are used and it's really quite simple.

And, overall, Indy does not have near the talent Seattle has.

he posted QBR's of 30, 20, 11 and 50 and beat Cleveland, Houston and Tennessee while being flat out embarrassed against Dallas. 3-1.

You can't carry your team with a QBR of 30. Or 20. 50 is average.

...but you're right, 1 man team!

Alex Smith gets a ton of shit for his 11-5 because of the Chiefs shitty schedule playing against shitty QB's ...

Here are the AMAZING QB's Luck managed to beat last year! Brace yourselves!!!!

Bortles
Whitehurst
Flacco
Fitzpatrick
Dalton
Eli
Bortles
Colt McCoy
Hoyer
Tom Savage
Whitehurst

Peyton played in the same division, Einstein.

Russell Wilson had a QBR of 22.5 vs th Cowboys last year LMAO

I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT QBR OR STATS. I CARE ABOUT HOW EACH QB IS USED AND WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO FOR THEIR TEAM. AND THE TALENT LEVEL OF THE TEAM. Now, suck on my large bold font.

The Seahawks were 6-4 before winning 6 in a row against...

Stanton 2X
Kaepernick 2X ....most overrated QB in the NFL
Sanchez
S. Hill

Don't bash Luck's "easy division" when Wilson has played divisional games against an overrated Kaepernick and 2 backup QB's 6x a year.

you do ****ing realize that divisions fluctuate, right?

For instance ... 5 years ago the NFC West was the worst division in football. Now they are arguably the best.

When Peyton was a Colt last, his team didn't even win the division. Houston did. Also, throughout Peyton's 13 seasons with the Colts all three of those aforementioned teams (Houston / Tennessee / JAX) all had stretches where they were very good football teams.

Also, pertaining to your HUGE LETTER BOLD COMMENT ... you do realize, as a Peyton Manning hater, that, over the past 20 years, there has never been a player that a team has built more around and has meant more to an entire franchise than Peyton Manning, right?

Like, they literally built the offense around him, and built a defense with the intentions of having speed rushers who couldn't defend the run because they expected to be winning since they had a QB who controlled the game on their sidelines (T.O.P, etc...) ...

Which is why they always struggled with the MJD/Fred Taylor Jacksonville teams.

So you're just a hypocritical idiot, per usual.

He also beat Aaron Rodgers (twice), Peyton Manning (week 3, before Manning was dead), Cam Newton (twice), and Eli Manning.

So uh, ok. Point noted.

Dude you are so ****ing lost.

ALEX SMITH LOST TO STANTON AND KAEPERNICK.

Just give me my BBQ and white QB

Luck has beaten..

Joe Flacco
Peyton Manning twice
Aaron Rodgers

Oh and...

Russell Wilson

BMD only cares about how a QB is used and what they do for their team.

...hates Peyton Manning

the guy who been asked to do the most for his team for 2 straight decades

LMAO

Russell Wilson lost to Alex Smith...

LMAO

so now we're talking about over the course of an entire career?

Oh man. Ok.

DOESN'T MATTER HE WAS IN THE SUPER BOWL

This is just hilarious to me. I watch too much football. Anyone who is even dumb enough to think Alex Smith and Russell Wilson "are similar" clearly haven't watched Russell Wilson EVER play. He CONSTANTLY challenges defenses and throws the ball down the field.

I mean, this is just so hilarious to me.

Russell Wilson has been the better QB than Andrew Luck over 3 years.

Do I think he will be after 10? No. I think Luck is ready to take a leap. I do think Rodgers, Luck and Wilson are the elite QB's of the future when Brady/Manning step down.

I can't wait for 2016 when Russell gets the biggest QB contract ever, the Seahawks lose key talent bc of that and Wilson is going to be forced to out score teams on a consistent basis like Luck has his entire career.

And then all will see why this argument was ever made between him and Luck.

And if/when he does it?

What kind of team is Luck going to have when he gets his new deal? You know it's going to be huge.

Please, by all means, just let me know before the season when Luck is considered to have a good team around him so I can know whether or not it's Luck 1 on 53 or not

because it sure looks like he has a decent roster with a loaded offense, to me

but I'm sure that I'm just looking at things wrong and he's playing with 52 guys off the street

Colts will be in the AFC Championship game again this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they made the Superbowl.

Hey Hootie,

Alex beat Stafford, Eli, Big Ben and Brees in 2011, then Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson the next year in 8 games before getting hurt.

Wilson is playing the same exact role Alex did in SF. He's essentially a game manager who plays that role better than Alex bc he is more accurate downfield and is far more lethal with his legs.

The moment that defense starts to crack the Seahawks are in major trouble. We saw it 3X last year.

SD
Dallas
KC

They rely on that defense first and foremost. 2-9 record when his team gives up 24 or more points.

He's not a franchise QB.

Wilson hasn't exactly had a plethora of receiving threats to win shootouts though so that's not surprising. They haven't really been an explosive offense, but they haven't had to be.

Truth.

Did any of you read the article I posted yesterday about Wilson?

Game managers don't enter the league and rank in the top 7 in yards per completion three years in a row.

The moment a defense starts to crack for any team they are in major trouble. Do you not realize that every time New England has won a Super Bowl, it was because they paired up Tom Brady with a really good defense? Every time. Cowherd says it all the time. When Peyton won, his defense played very well. When Brees won, same thing. When Eli won two, yep, defense.

You'll be hard pressed to find many past Super Bowl champions who didn't also play really good defense.

The one year Aaron won? Yep. You guessed it!

If you're a Chiefs fan you already know the answer to this question regarding Andrew Luck.

if you're referencing the Colts/Chiefs playoff game and have concluded that's why Andrew Luck is awesome ... then ok man

just shows me you don't watch enough football

you can't give Luck a pass for the AFCCG and then conclude Russell is just carried by his defense when Russell played THAT SAME TEAM IN THE SUPER BOWL, watched Tom Brady carve up SAID VAUNTED DEFENSE, while Russell single-handedly kept them in the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, built them up a lead, and then even got them a yard away before the worst play call in history. He had a 92 QBR in that game. He was literally the only reason the Hawks had a chance. New England was clearly the better team and they had a 11% chance to win with 20 seconds remaining and won.

You're making excuses for Luck. So is everyone else. Luck has been awesome thus far in his career for a young QB. He hasn't been TRULY elite, and he hasn't been as good as Russell Wilson. Period.

People don't understand how amazing Russell was in that Super Bowl. That dude has "it". Just like Tom Brady has "it." I think Luck has "it", but I haven't necessarily seen "it" yet. I have from Wilson. All that dude does is win. He did it against Atlanta his rookie year. He did it against Green Bay in a game where he was flat bad for 3.5 quarters yet still showed what a winner he was ... and he did it against New England.

For a board obsessed with chokers and choking ... it's hilarious to me that a guy literally shows the clutch gene CONSTANTLY and he's just Alex Smith ... well, a slightly better Alex Smith.

LMAO

You want a stat?

Russell Wilson is 5-0 in overtime games. This includes scoring a TD 3 out of 4 times (including the NFCCG against Green Bay) on the opening drive (since the rule change states that's the only way the opposition doesn't get a chance to tie/win). His team only punting once.

So in 5 overtime games ... Seattle has gotten the ball first 4 times. 3 of those times they scored a TD. They punted one time. The 5th game, the defense forced a punt, and then Wilson led his team down on the very next drive to an easy FG to win the game.

Yep. Not clutch at all.

5-0 in OT
6-2 in the playoffs (his QBR in these losses: 91 and 93)

His 2 playoff losses included him having the best 2nd half I've ever seen a QB have in the postseason against Atlanta. He led his team to a game winning TD drive with 30 seconds left and his vaunted defense let Ryan complete two ridiculous passes and Bryant hit a 50 yarder. And we all remember this past Super Bowl.

THIS BOARD HAS TOLD ME FOR 10 YEARS THAT TOM BRADY IS BETTER THAN PEYTON MANNING BECAUSE OF HOW HE PLAYS IN BIG MOMENTS.

...but now Russell Wilson is just a system QB propped up by a good team

LMAO LMAO LMAO

and I'm doing the new QBR, which is out of 100

His two postseason losses

91 and 93

These are INSANE games. Just INSANE.

FOR REFERENCE, Tom Brady's record breaking year he posted a QBR of 87. In the Super Bowl this year, his QBR was 82. Those are RIDICULOUS games.

Russell?

91 and 93.

Anything over 60 is good.

Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning because he doesn't constantly choke and throw terrible INT's on a consistent basis.

I can't wait for 2017 after Smith flames out and KC gives a second round pick to San Fran for Kaepernick.

By that statement, Russell Wilson is better than Andy luck.

oh so now you're admitting you are a hypocrite

just making sure

Russell Wilson threw 4 INT's in the NFCCG. And his defense only gave up 3 points from all 4 turnovers to the best QB on the highest scoring offense in the NFL.

Russell Wilson doesn't have consequences when he makes mistakes.

How many other QB's in the NFL can say that?