This is where we disconnect.

Jeff Allen has been a dumpster fire, and Donald Stephenson has been an enigma, going from pretty good to ****ing awful.

Ryan Harris was mediocre, but as his worst, he wasn't as bad as Stephenson at his worst.

Zach Fulton is, as I've stated before, a crash post, but he was better in his rookie season than Allen has ever been.

And as I've also stated numerous times, I don't believe for a ****ing minute that Eric Kush was kept on the bench because they only view him as a center.

If he couldn't get on the field ahead of McGlynn, then he is almost certainly going to be a ****ing disaster.

When you get shut down by Fisher, it is time to kill your career.

Von moves around too. Played extensively against Eric Fisher in game 2, when Fisher was at RT his rookie season.

That, and at the rate Fivehead gets rid of the ball, the lack of sacks they're are to be expected.

I still have serious doubts about this oline. Hopefully with Fisher supposedly healthy and strengthening his upper body that he takes the next step. I'm sure having a solid vet at LG in Grubbs should help. Kush at center has had what? One start? I'm certainly not sold on RG and RT.

Well, they do have to spend to the salary floor. Don't engender what that is or how much it is this year, but if they have any leftover after reaching the floor, they get that much extra the next year.

It's a way to make sure the NFL player pool as a whole get all of the money coming to them. So teams can no longer do what KC did under Pioli and be 30-40mil under cap.

Man..I hope the Broncos like Von as much as this Denver troll... I want him draining their cap on a $100+ million contract and producing 14 sacks. I wonder how many sacks Houston would have playing 8 games in that thin air?

After this season...Broncos go to the AFCW cellar anyway. Elways bid to buy a Superbowl with a rented QB failed....warms my heart.

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I went to this site to look at Justin's year by year pay. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ustin-houston/

Why is his base salary so low in Year 1?

[code]Year Age Base Salary Signing Bonus Workout Bonus Cap Hit Dead Cap
2015 Contract details by year 26 $1,000,000 $4,100,000 - $5,100,000 -
2016 Contract details by year 27 $15,000,000 $4,100,000 - $19,100,000 -
2017 Contract details by year 28 $16,500,000 $4,100,000 - $20,600,000 -
2018 Contract details by year 29 $15,000,000 $4,100,000 - $19,100,000 -
2019 Contract details by year 30 $15,500,000 $4,100,000 - $19,600,000 -
2020 Contract details by year 31 $17,500,000 - - $17,500,000 [code]

If you assume that he pays his agent 5 percent and then loses another 45 percent to taxes, he'll only take home about $2.5 million in 2015, or about $200,000 per month. But it'll get better in 2016 when his take-home pay is closer to $800,000 per month.

I bet $800,000 per month will buy you a really attractive girlfriend.

He's getting 12 million of that 20 million dollar signing bonus in the next 14 days.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that the signing bonus happens up front. I don't have to worry about him eating Ramen noodles now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...fl-draft-class

Guy lists the top 9 players from the 2011 draft. Justin Houston: #4. Von Miller: N/A.

LMAO LMAO

And holy balls, this draft class was STACKED. Getting the #1 overall pick in the 2013 draft after this one and the Luck/RGIII sweepstakes was such a classic Chiefs move.

4)*Justin Houston, OLB, Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, No. 70 overall

Kansas City locked up its stud sack artist Wednesday, fittingly making him one of the highest-paid players in the sport by handing out a new contract that includes $52.5 million in guarantees. Since coming into the league as a third-round pick (fantastic selection by former K.C. GM and brilliant talent evaluator Scott Pioli),Houston has made the Pro Bowl three times. Just a fantastic edge defender who gets after the quarterback and stuffs the run.

Lost in the shuffle of Watt's transcendent effort last season: a brilliant year from Houston. Although it went criminally undercovered, with an NFL-high 22 sacks, Houston fell a half-sack shy of Michael Strahan's single-season sack record.


Entire list is invalidated.

ROFL brilliant evaluator? Why because he got lucky and Houston made a mistake and paid for it by sliding to us in round 3? ****ing idiot.

The guy's a national sports writer. They just see the Houston, Poe and Berry picks and assumes Pioli just had an eagle eye for talent. They don't see the horrible depth, commitment to shitty QBs, or that he tried to trade Jamaal Charles.

I don't know what's worse. That Pioli tried to trade him (if he's such a brilliant evaluator) or that Washington wouldn't give up a lousy 5th round pick to take a chance on him.

I never knew the Jamaal Charles thing. I got in an argument with someone on a different board a while back, he was trying to tell me how good of a GM Pioli was here in KC. I don't think people understand how much he destroyed this franchise, and seeing people call him a brilliant talent evaluator is, well, as Eric Winston would call it, "thickening."

I could seriously list all the things he did well in his time here on one hand.

1. Drafting Houston
2. Drafting Poe
3. Managing the cap
4. Signing Jamaal to an uber team-friendly deal
5. Signing DJ to an uber team-friendly deal

I'm not even going to mention drafting Berry because of 1) obvious circumstances and 2) it was a no-brainer pick. That's legitimately all he did well in his time here and the list of things he did horribly is just too long to even want to get into.

Pioli didn't destroy us. He just kept us in the cellar. I will never forgive him for taking ****ing Donald Stephenson over Russell Wilson.

Every team I cluding the Seahawks took players over Wilson.
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True but his interview on NBC where he said "we loved Russell Wilson," made me want to ****ing snap someone's neck.

If he truly "loved" Wilson, he wouldn't of taken a ****ing OT over the player he "loved" in round 3 when you have Branden Albert at LT, who was just fine.

We had Matt ****ing Cassel as our starting QB and entered what every talent scout and their mothers called the deepest QB draft in recent memory, and Pioli went 7 ****ing rounds and said, "No thanks. I'm good, really. I already got enough QB competition. Have you met Brady Quinn?"

It's plainly obvious that that mother****er could have been gift-wrapped Andrew ****ing Luck at our pick in the 1st round, and he would have passed on him. Remember what he said immediately after the 2011 season. "I don't need to make it more plain: Matt's the starter."

That asswipe had his head so far up his own ****ing ass. That's why it's stupid to say, "Every other team passed on Russell Wilson." They passed on Russell Wilson. Pioli IGNORED Russell Wilson. That's the ****ing difference.

I swear. I'll be 50 years old and Pioli could be walking down the street and I'd still punch him the throat. As he's dying I'd whisper "Should've taken Wilson, asshole!"

And now the mother ****er gives interviews and talks about how Russell Wilson had the best interview of anyone he's ever interviewed at the combine. He gushes over Wilson, but refused to even consider him because he was dying to prove Cassel was the right move.

Hell, I was told a story years ago about how Kaepernick was who a lot of scouts wanted as our #1 that year and it was Pioli's call for Baldwin.

Pioli could kill himself and I wouldn't care. That's how much I ****ing hate that prick. What a ****ing waste of air.

You might want to have a drink or a toke.

Jesus.

Currently having a drink...still hate the asshole.

yep, and i'm having a toke and i hate the asshole too...

Every GM skips over prospects in favor of their own QBs. For all we know, there's a 4th rounder from the 2015 draft that we passed over in favor of Smith.

I just don't understand complaining about Wilson. It's amazing that he is what he is today, but there was an overwhelming chance that he'd be a league backup or worse when he was drafted. It doesn't matter how smart or how much heart some players have, if they don't have the size, they're not going to make it in the league. Wilson is 5'10. The list of good modern era QBs under 6'1 basically starts and stops at Brees.

So yeah, its amazing that it worked out for Seattle, but that shouldn't bother anybody on any team. Passing on a 5'10 QB in the third round is only a mistake that you see in hindsight.

This isn't like the Houston situation where he was a 1st round selection and only dropped because of weed. Wilson was never expected to be great or frankly even good. He was supposed to be at best Matt Flynn's backup.

Are you guys still pissed we didn't draft Brady?
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And didn't Haley pretty much have to lose his shit in order to draft Eric Berry in 2010?

That's impossible, I've read on here that Clark won't allow a QB to be taken in the first round.

And yet, here we are.

Don't know if true, but I think Haley made a push for Hasselbeck and for kaepernick. His dad said from the beginning that cassel was no good.

Huge $ for Justin Houston: $21.5M in 2015, $43m by March 2016. $52.5M total by March 2017. $32.5M full guar. $52.5m guar for injury. Wow

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) July 15, 2015

Clark Hunt flopping his big dick..err I mean wallet on the table.

Holy cow. Are these numbers for real? Perhaps it has been discussed, but I don't understand structuring it like this. Huge cap hit the next few years.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ustin-houston/

2015 cap hit 5.1 mil
2016 cap hit 19.1 mil
2017 cap hit 20.6 mil
2018 cap hit 19.1 mil

By all accounts, Kaepernick was Haley's pick but he was overridden.

Seems like those are accurate, yes.

The reason you structure it like that is the rollover provision. By removing $8 million from this season's cap figure, it rolls over to next season in effect bringing his 2016 cap hit down accordingly by bringing our overall cap figure for the 2016 league year up by $8 million. Then you can shell game the amount that doesn't get spent in 2016 to carry over into 2017.

It's a difficult thing to have to keep reminding yourself of, but with a rollover in place, a heavy frontloading is almost always going to be defensible. Let's say that Houston would have been fine with cap figures of $15 million/season over the next 3 seasons (the average of the 3 above). The Chiefs couldn't actually fit $15 million into this season but they could could have gone ahead and gone with $13 million this season then $16 million and $16 million to make that work. Instead they went with $5 mil this season, $8 rolls over into the 2016 season and raises your cap by $8 million; you can create a fiction of allocating the first $3 million of that rollover to the $19 million cap hit for next season to make it a 'virtual' $16 million and then the remaining $5 million to his 2017 number to get it to around $16 million as well.

In the meantime, you've created near term flexibility for potential extensions to ascending players or the opportunity to sign undervalued FAs.

Without the rollover it's nutty, but with the rollover it makes perfect sense. It operates a lot like the Ben Grubbs extension did. The Chiefs have shown a preference for structuring deals like this and with no rollover taxes/penalties, it makes a lot of sense.

It's a pretty exciting time in chiefs land when players actively want to be here and enjoy it. Add to that our current coaching system and it seems pretty cool.

If we can just best denver this year it would be even better, but until we do, I'm guessing we cant.

I've said it elsewhere, but merely having a competent front office makes being a fan so much more enjoyable.

I don't know if the Cardinals have the best front office in baseball...but I'm comfortable saying it's up there in the top 5ish. So when they go out there and take Jake Woodford with their first comp pick, I think "man, I wouldn't have gone that route there....but the Cards know a shitload more about arms than I do so I'll withhold judgment for a bit" and it's a pretty nice feeling.

That's where I've gotten with this front office. I'm still going to see things that I'm pretty sure I'd have done differently, but the Chiefs have a good management team right now. The coach/GM work in concert and seem to have a pretty good eye. They are working towards a common goal and seem to have a plan in place. So when they take Morse and I think "well damn, that seems odd", I've at least gotten comfortable enough with this group that I'm willing to see how it works out because I think they had a good reason for doing what they did.

I agree with you DJ. I really hope Fisher, Ford and some other draft picks like Wilson and Kush show up this year.

I'm guessing we will see a lot more of Ford this year. They aren't idiots, they didn't pick him in the first to use him like we have seen him used so far. He was a terror his senior season at Auburn and he has plenty of talent