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Wtf?

I'm willing to give Dorsey and Reid a 2nd QB and about the only veteran that comes to mind that needs to go is Hali and probably DJ. And you want to year it all down over Smith?

Despite some very mediocre drafts the last 4 years this team actually has a good amount of talent.

Even without DJ, Houston, Charles, and most of our D line we were a playoff team.

More like 50/50 for one bona fide franchise QB per draft, over the past decade or so.

But I agree that a front office with the acumen to find and acquire one is mandatory.

If Dorsey and Reid missed on Alex like CP seems to think, there's no reason for 2nd chances.

Dorsey I waver on.

Reid, I appreciate his ineffable bond with his players that make them work hard, but nothing about his gameplanning or in-game decision making endears me to him anyway.

If it's over the plate, swing away Merrill.

Swing away...

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I don't think they missed - I think they got exactly what they wanted.

Where I think they missed was drafting behind that spanner.

Reid needs to be a HC and let someone else be OC.

He's a fantastic HC and a piss-poor OC...

I don't really think they missed on Alex Smith. They came into a situation where fans were literally boycotting the team. They needed something to get out of the black hole and that's what they got. Now it's time to go get something bigger and better.

Since 2013 the Chiefs have drafted 3 all pro's. That's the most of any franchise in the league. That's not mediocre.

We are boom or bust in the draft and we got a floater over the plate with Peters...

Wouldn't acquiring talent mean the drafts weren't in fact mediocre?

Mediocre!!

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...e-a04b53507430

And that's in the context of picks traded away or taken away. We are loaded with picks this draft, can't ****ing wait.

Exactly.

Alex has got us to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years and got us our first playoff win in how long? Considering how bad we were on offense and the QB position before he got here he's certainly been a decent upgrade and a step in the right direction. No SB or AFCCG so he hasn't done great but certainly not bad.

So they haven't missed on anything. They never claimed he was an elite QB or one of the GOATs. I don't know what some of you guys were expecting.

We can win with this guy until we find someone better so there's nothing to be worried about with the QB position IMO.

And a double digit sack artist/elite pass protecting G in the the draft we didn't have an all pro

As long as those arent our goals, then we are in very good shape for the next several years as a franchise...

And from what we have seen over the decades they arent...

We can win what? Regular season games? ****ing sweet.

Alex and his 15 TDs a season aren't winning us a Superbowl.

1-3 in the playoffs isnt really winning anything.

You seem satisfied with 8th place finishes in other endeavours...maybe that's your confusion.

Or is he being rationale while most chiefs fans are not?


This place has always been crazy about Alex Smith. He's not nearly as bad as people around here seem to think.

15tds and how many interceptions?

7 ... 8?


I just don't see Mahomes being an Andy Reid type guy. At this point in his career, Reid seems to prefer conservative offense and win with defense. He did that in philly for the most part too.

Nor is he as good as some people around here think...

I think his mid 20's rankings is about where he should be...



Hes nothing great, nor nothing terrible. IF your goal is a superbowl, then you need to replace him. IF your goal is Chiefs, then his is the ultimate QB...

FYP

NOR do people think he is as good as his detractors pretend they do for rhetorical reasons.

I don't think anyone around here thinks he's that good. People just argue that he isn't terrible, which is not acceptable to many.

Alex Smith is a solid game-manager level QB. He needs the team around him to win the game, he is just a piece.

Chiefs need to upgrade the position.

Exactly... IF you want SB's hes not your guy, if you want Chiefs, he is your guy...

No one is disputing that...

with Alex, the Chiefs have a stock Honda Civic.
nothing wrong with that. Consistent, reliable, comfortable. You might win against other Civics, and Cobalts, but when you get to race the real cars, you don't have a chance.

yes, it could be worse. you could have a Pontiac Aztek at QB.

ROFL :clap:

Bad analogy. QB is at most an engine, not the whole car.

So we're a $80k sports car with a 4 cylinder engine then.

ROFL

Saw that on an episode of Scrubs/Baby L

Jesus, just **** off PGM.

Funny cause he's beaten RW, Peyton, Brees, Matt Ryan, Brady, Romo, Rivers, Carr since he's been here. So there's that.

Dont forget to add Brian Hoyer in the playoffs...

Lil Creatuy hath your soul

You're such a toady. Dive bombing shit on people who aren't even talking to you, . . . with the repurposed tired schtick created by others.

Have you ever had an independent thought or non-asshole conversation?

Your entire persona here, in an image.

http://rs646.pbsrc.com/albums/uu189/...bb917.jpg~c200

I have been posting in this thread all morning. If you are butthurt over a friendly jab, that's on you.

The scrubs was also a double entendre towards Alex that was too juicy to pass up.

A 30k hybrid with a 4 cylinder.

average QB
average Oline
average RB
stud TE (crappy depth)
above-average starting wr (crappy depth)
average Dline
an average group of LBs (worse when Houston is injured)
decent secondary (Berry,Peters + Jags)

The only thing about the Chiefs that is distinguishable is that 'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts'.

You wanna point me to the remark I directed at you that inspired you to go JV Cosmo?

I'd say a decent Golf TDI with a glitchy clutch. Not a lot of power, but good balance and handling. Able to zing through a road course, but susceptible to poor driving skills. And they aren't gonna smoke a supercar unless they get a holeshot.

Not gonna be easy with that mediocre clutch assembly... Drop in a McLeod and we might be on to something...

I've been saying forever our solution is astonishingly simple. Draft the next Brady or trade for him. Heck, Reid wouldn't even need to OC.

At some point you have to try... Until then, riding the clutch and replacing it with another Autozone Exedy special isnt going to keep you in the race, let alone beat anyone.

I've never opposed them trying, and will be on board when they do.

I'm just not obsessed with the notion that this is the one thing that must happen or all is doomed.

I've made those cracks long before Cosmo. He's just obsessed with it.

All is not doomed, it just decreases your odds until it happens.

Most are happy with winning in regular season and hope/noise in the playoffs... Chiefs fans that want to win a SB are less that 5% of the total fanbase.

I don't agree with that.

I just think that Kansas/Missouri etc is a conservative part of the country. No, i'm not talking about politics. I lot of Chiefs' fan just don't want to REALLY suck. The boom/bust moves that some people want to take is not something that people in these parts are comfortable with.

Most Chiefs' fans are all for improving the QB position, they just don't want to go "all in" to do it. Not the same as not wanting to win a super bowl.

I wish we were more aggressive, but Reid/Dorsey are about as conservative as it gets. They are a good fit for this part of the country.

:clap:

In the draft. I think Kizer, Watson, and trubiski are way more pro ready than Mahomes and can start in 2018.
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And right now I want Kizer over Mahomes.

:clap:

I just think that the Cardinals are going to take Kizer.

And that's the 4th or 5th best QB in 2018? That's the guy who's going to start and be better than Mahomes plus one year?

Doubt it.

That's right now. Just wait until next year where the mantra is "we don't have a shot at a Franchise QB.....wait until 2019".

I get the stance that a qb in the 1st wont help this team win a superbowl and we are very close to making a run and winning the thing but I think this coming year and maybe 2018 are the only 2 left. I say we trade up and draft Mahomes, let the team try and win with what we have in 2017, then cut AS before the 2018 season and start Mahomes

To me yes. I have no confidence in Mahomes being a good NFL QB. Especially in Reids offense. Like tk13 has said many times, Reid don't change his offense just because of a new QB. He ran the same offense with McNabb that he does with Smith. Reid's offense will always be a horizontal YAC offense. I don't think that's an offense Mahomes can execute without major overhaul to his fundamentals and mechanics.

And I don't know if 4 or 5 QBs will be taken before our 1st round pick. If so, then take another position and wait to take QB for another round.
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on the bright side if this happens, as a chiefs fan i can look forward to those teams over spending for average players which in a sense, brings the pack back to us, rather than us having to risk going up to play catch up. if that makes any sense. :D

If the class is good enough to pass on a high potential low floor prospect in this year's draft, there are a ton of other teams in better positions to suck for next year who will be taking QBs.

I can just see this going down like 2012. Lauded as the best QB class since 1983, but by the time we pick in the first, the only dudes left are Brandon Weeden mother****ers

You're talking out of your ass.

So you're saying he will? So McNabb didn't run the same offense Smith does? They both average the same Y/A. Reid is a west coast coach all the way and nothing will change that.

The next QB will throw deep more than Smith (it would be virtually impossible not to) but the overall offense will stay the same. A lot of screens and passes designed for YAC.
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That's the part that needs fixed the most.

I don't have a problem with the misdirection, screens, jet sweeps, option plays and the quick hitters...but all of those play calls are made to open up the deep ball. McNabb took advantage of those opportunities and that opened up the offense.

You put vintage McNabb on last years Chiefs, they might have won the whole thing.

I agree.
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That's why Romo wanted to come to KC

To groom a draft pick? That seems nice.

Some of these guys live to be sniveling bitches all year long, to make sure we are all as miserable as they are.

To throw it deeeeeeeeeeeeep, play with playmakers, and a solid O line....with a great defense to boot.

Now we get another year of the popgun offemse

Yup, it's really ridiculous to some of these dudes rooting for a losing season just to get a change at the QB. Those pussies don't even like the team, they just like being contrary bitches about everything and will be miserable ****s until they die.

The closest I ever got to rooting for the team to lose , was the year Andrew Luck came out. It felt weird and wrong , and I never want to do it again . I can't imagine living in that space. Besides, tanking the season in order to get a draft pick doesn't guarantee anything.

:facepalm:

And plus, tanking doesn't really exist in the NFL.
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I'm not so sure he's wrong, you can't be either

**** is this dude?

McNabb's status as a top 10 passer during his era is well documented

do I have to educate your dumb ass again?

WTF DUDE

DO WE HAVE TO GO OVER THIS POINT AGAIN!?

Simply WOW at reading the last couple of pages of this thread.

ROFL
This entire forum knows your sheer incompetence when it comes to talent evaluation. Tyreek Hill jumps up in the depth chart and gets major reps in pre-season ahead of 2 other starters and you had the stupidity to say he was going to be a bust.

F***ing moron.

And then there's Geno!

McNabb averaged 2988 yards, 19 touchdowns on 59% completion per year when he was in Philly.

Yikes. I think I take back my agreement with bosschief that the Chiefs would have won the whole thing with McNabb.
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You're looking at a stat line to draw that kind of a conclusion? lol

Reid has changed his Offense up to suit the QB that he's starting. He did it when it was Kolb time and changed it again, when he had the time, to fit Vick. He changed it once again when he got to KC.

DO WE HAVE TO GO OVER THIS POINT AGAIN!?

Smith is not as good as McNabb, end of story.

If the Chiefs would simply cease 30-plus years of idiocy, we wouldn't even be having this endless debate.

The solution is THAT simple.

Stop.

Being.

Idiots.