Add in the fact that he could've walked away from the situation several times...

let's be honest if Kareem didn't lie and told the truth they would have traded him immediately in the offseason anyway lol

No they wouldn't have. Reid has forgiven far worse.

I'll correct myself then. *Clark would have traded him back in February anyway.

I still contend that if Hill had a video of his incident there is no way he plays for the Chiefs. Despite the honesty and remorse rhetoric

So Clark Hunt is okay with us drafting Tyreek Hill, and yet a drunken scuffle with a racist woman would've been grounds for immediate dismissal? Are you kidding?

He may be correct. I had not seen the whole video until now, but I had seen stills from it long ago. Maybe the video in full was not readily available, but still pics from it were.

Nah, we'd have released a statement explaining how sorry we were and we'd investigate the matter. The league would also issue a statement and hand down a 6 week suspension. It would have blown over within weeks since "justice" was served and the SJWs would have moved on to another pressing matter... That or talk about who was ****ing who in Hollywood, dank memes, or whatever else those keyboard warriors do in their free time

He literally just cut him for basically being a liar lol so no I'm not kidding.

The only reason for Kareem to even consider not telling the truth is to keep his roster spot and status quo on the team. Did he want to be suspended? cut? traded? Of course not. And by telling the truth he had to factor in those three things happening in some form.

Are you bipolar? This is a completely different stance from what you had yesterday.

What? Find me a post where I said anything different.

Nope. Happened in college, was on probation, and was already kicked out of school. If we didn't draft him someone else would have, video or not

Peters yelled at people or did whatever he did and they shipped him out for way less. I'd imagine there would be no room for Kareem had they saw that video in February. Maybe they did and this is covering their butts. But you have to consider the reasons why Kareem didn't tell the truth.

The national media seems very quiet this morning. are they being cautious about backlash from taking a side?

Naw - I believe you. My mistake. Just thought you addressed me differently yesterday about it. So much BS getting slung around here that I can't remember where its coming from. My bad memory is to blame, not your made-up-in -my- head bipolarity.

If you want to be offended, look at how the Cleveland PD tried to cover this up. Arresting innocent people who had tape:

https://www.kctv5.com/news/bodycam-f...d5852c125.html

I said I don't believe he would have been a chief, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

If video came out now? He'd absolutely still be a Chief. The guy is once in a generation talent. The event happened years ago (before being drafted) and was already dealt with.

Back then? I think we take the same approach. The guy is a once in a generation talent. The event happened years ago (before being drafted) and was already dealt with. If we don't someone else does.

If you've ever watched a YouTube video about the Chiefs, regardless of who/what the video is about, a jealous fan still brings it up. If you read a tweet about any Chiefs player, game, etc it gets brought up. Look no more than the comments of anything Kareem related yesterday. In most cases you don't get 3-4 comments down without a "but Tyreek gets to stay?" or "but Tyreek....."

It doesn't matter to SJWs if there's reform or not. In most cases the same people carrying a noose are the same people hastagging their team to pickup Kareem Hunt this morning. SJWs care about one thing... Their image. Period. I doubt 1% of those people have ever lifted a finger to help someone... They just lift a finger to type in how much they'd help someone if presented an opportunity to.

That cop better be finished as well.

I completely understand your point, however I believe that if a video of hill's incident was available around the time when he was drafted most teams including the Chiefs would not have drafted him.

Can you imagine the side-by-side footage of him being drafted and showing him strangling his pregnant girlfriend? Hill has done everything he can to move past this, and by all accounts been a model citizen afterwards,but really doubt he gets that opportunity if there was a video of him physically abusing his girlfriend,

I think the dishonesty of hunt did play some part of it, but the bigger part is the video and the public reaction to it

Too many white women in that video.. where all the sistas at?

Cause you know damn well if that girl had dropped a racial slur....

:clap: Very well said sir. You have now graduated to "Genious" level!

Absolutely nothing will happen to the cop.

That profession has less accountability than the maids in that hotel.

Grandlamma is in media. He uses TMZ's stuff sometimes. He thinks/knows that TMZ paid for the tape. Probably a lot of money.

Getting 100 million eyeballs on your site within 4 hours and top trending item on Twitter for over 8 hours...... they got a helluva ROI for that tape.

It was definitely a black woman dropping the N-Word and banging on the door. Causing the original conflict at the party.

Situation sucks for us, but is hardly the end of the world. We won the lottery on Mahomes -- he's the franchise. A big yawn from the betting markets. We opened as a 15 point favorite, had drifted down to 14.5 before the KHunt news, settled at -14 after he was cut. Spencer Ware is good, and perhaps even a better at pass protection. Now if he went down, our SB odds would fall a bit, but not dramatically.

I haven't followed the story all that closely, but my gut tells me the Chiefs were aware of the video, and already had made the decision to cut him if it became public. They were prepared and are not really that concerned about the on-field repercussions.

The amount of money KHunt cost himself. Wow.

Could have waited 12 hours and this all would have went away with HW kicking the bucket.

If you or me lied to our employer and they find out, we'd be gone.

That sounds very level headed. It still sucks.

His point is, he thinks the Chiefs would have cut him if he told them the truth, that's why he lied to start with. Hard to know if that's true or not

Nope not happening. The video is out there. It would have resurfaced and trended again.

Besides, he obviously has anger issues. This is the 3rd incident and he's 22.

I admit I had a lot of anger issues at 22 also. But, I never touched a women. I'd punch men in the face all the time though. I understand whats happening in his mind.

No one to blame by himself. He could have had his entourage deal with it. He exited the room. Escalated the situation. He had to be held back from really ****ing up a women. This is all on him making poor decisions.

Agree with everything but this...

The bigger thing for me is, id have to think the Chiefs had a long talk with kareem right after the incident. Told him to keep his nose clean. The Chiefs stuck their neck out for kareem by letting this go. Few weeks later, kareems in Vegas with his entourage. Few months later he's partying up at put in bay Ohio. Id have to think Reid and hunt were furious about the June incident. That's flat out disregard for a team that had your back. A lie may seem like a small deal, but I'd bet kareem was already on thinner ice than we imagined.

Slept on it, **** it, he's gone. Let's hope Mahomes is good enough to win the chip anyway.

Fake tweet

I never heard of Joe Delaney until your post. What a brave and generous man. A true hero.

I would be surprised if he is a Raider. Mark Davis supposedly hates woman beaters but if Gruden wants him, all bets are off. What Gruden wants, Gruden gets.

Hate listening to ESPN-but had to. Ugh.

Now that I have seen the video on a large tv. I get it.

Still sucks.

100% accurate

Given that it took multiple people multiple attempts to restrain him, and he still ran into her and later kicked her when she was down, what do you think he would have done unimpeded, raced to give her a hot stone massage?

Charckandrick West, come on down

I’ve saw a lot of stuff saying Hunt is a luxury, not a necessity to winning, yada yada.. that’s all true.

But he was a luxury that helped to make this the most dynamic offense I’ve ever watched. Take him away and they’re still very good but not the same.

I hate to say that but I think this is a big deal for us on the field.

"Why wasn't he arrested?"

Well, when the cops are backfilling for you...

Bottom line there more going on with Hunt in that locker room then just this. It will come out in like 6 months

He punched a guy in the face who hadn't thrown a punch at him. Thats assault. People go to jail for that. Evidently, NFL players get to violate the law as long as they are not charged or there isn't video. That was after this video and events took place. I'm sure the Chiefs talked with him after the Feb. incident and said to chill out. Then they find out he's lied to them? Last straw. :hmmm:

Maybe so. I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.

Maybe he's on way too much Roids?

kicked her....uh huh.

No, I don't think he would've beaten her to a bloody pulp, if you do, can't help you.

Hope that locker room doesn't think they just threw Hunt under the bus cause that will be a major issue if they do.

I am just as disappointed as anyone else. If anybody thinks the league was going to let Kareem play another snap this year you are sadly mistaken. Could the team have kept Kareem and waited for the investigation and eventual suspension play out? Certainly but at what price?

Unlike Kaepernick, Kareem has the talent to have his behavior overlooked. Someone will give him another shot and it's going to hurt like hell to see it. It will be someone we despise.

My bet is someone signs him but he won't play until at the minimum midway next season.

Only idiots would think that. When something bad goes viral and seen by 100 million people, there was no putting that Genie back in the bottle.

Yea maybe so but players tend to react in odd ways. They could easily view this as the team had no issue with it when it happened and as soon as the going got a bit rocky they cut bait.

Players don't like playing for teams they don't think have their backs.

I think he gets a year suspension because of his history. So we lost a year of Hunt, sucks but it is what it is.

Wow that's crazy....wtf.

Do we know yet what the specific lie was that Hunt told?

You will probably never know....they are putting all of this on Hunt to save face when in reality it makes them look bad for not caring until I dunno yesterday.

That could be, I was counting this as his first which I believe is a 6 game suspension per league policy. Lifetime for the 2nd.

Hunt told them he was sleeping the whole time. It involved

Best guess is that he obviously told the team that he never laid a hand on her and did everything he could to avoid confrontation. And of course video now shows the exact opposite. I'm not gonna bother looking into it any further, because it doesn't matter now anyway. He's gone. No use crying over spilt milk.

https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1...299184641?s=21

In here is where he told them he was sleeping

Have you ever seen the man on the football field?

His friends in the vid don't even look like they lift. If he truly wanted to brutalize that girl, those dudes wouldn't have been able to stop him and he certainly wouldn't have stopped with that little 'shoo' ass kick.

Did you get murdered mid-post?

Can someone check on ChiefsandO’s please?.....

If this is the supposed lie I definitely want to know about it. I followed the thread earlier this year when the story broke. Everyone knew he had shoved her at least a couple of times. In fact, as I recall it there was a fair amount of detail reported on the indecent.

He is indeed gone and that is not going to change. I would still like to know just who exactly is the liar in all of this though.

Happening late in 2018, I'll bet teams stay away all of next year and it won't be until before 2020 that someone decides it's time to sign him. So, April 2020 would be about 18 months from now and thats when I would project that a team might think it's ok to sign him.

Obviously there's the video. But did she actually use racial slurs? Did they politely kick them out because they were underage? There's still a lot of details to the story where we're relying on hunts entourage for truth.

The video does not prove that any of those narratives are lies.

Nope, only that he struck a woman...

Watching the video it is clear why the prosecutor did not file charges. That girl was just as much the agressor as Kareem.

Is there any footage of prior to the altercation that may shed some light leading up to it? Was she really banging on the door prior to the altercation to be let back in after being kicked out of the room?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So the woman attacked by Kareem Hunt also indicates (but doesn&#39;t directly say) that Hunt and/or his friends may have stole the sim card out of her phone. That&#39;s interesting.</p>&mdash; Jason Cole (@JasonCole62) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonCole62/status/1068909421496070146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That came out when the story broke. That is why it was a story.

Hunt was apparently taking up residence at the hotel in the offseason. Which explains a lot about the hotel's supposed attitude toward the girl and why the cops were so lenient - the hotel staff probably prepped them and took his side big time.

Now as far as Hunt deciding to live in a hotel with cameras all over? Brilliant.

Lol the sim card doesn't even store the video and pictures.

Also doesn't prove they're true

:doh!: He was released because allegedly the video PROVED a lie. The other issues you mention cannot be what the lie would be about.

I've asked that question as well. She was clearly outside the room trying to get back in when the video started. If that video exists, then the hour prior to that video also exists.

Fair point. I just find it hard to believe it was all about the public videos. I would assume the Chiefs also learned a few things within hours of the video release. Maybe stuff we haven't seen or heard about yet.

I think you’re right.

He’s too radioactive right now...I guess the Redskins might claim him since they don’t seem to care about public perception.

Respectfully disagree. We have a very deep stable of capable RBs and Hunt was not head and shoulders above both Williams men and Ware. If there was ever a position we could afford an injury or screw up off the field it was at RB.:hmmm: