So that's a joke of a secondary, but a 2nd ish round corner in a weak corner class is going to change it?

Adding a corner or a safety like CGJ adds more impact to the secondary than drafting an OL. You feel fine with this secondary covering Oakland and LAC WRs now? Because I don’t.

Even if you don’t go corner at 29, you can add a stud safety like CGJ. Pairing CGJ with honey badger would be awesome and so much better than just going with Watts and Lucas lol.


What happens if one of these corners gets hurt? Then you’re down to even more of a bare position. I’m just ****ing sick of ignoring obvious needs in the secondary.

Shit, there’s even more of a need at WR and you could add more impact there at 29. I just hate ****ing first round OL and nothing will change that. Remember Mitch Morse, Rodney Hudson? Not first rounders

What happens if Reiter sucks and in turn gets Mahomes hurt?

Matt Miller just drafted Bradbury at 29 for the Chiefs in his latest mock draft.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-to-go#slide29

The issue isn't ignoring the need. You can address the need later in the draft with a guy slotted more likely where he should be.

You don't want to end up with the 6th best C and the 5th best C when you could have the best C who has a chance to be an all pro and the 8th best CB.

Or the 4th safety on your board.

It's all about value.

You can take a center outside of round 1. Like the last two awesome centers KC has drafted (Morse and Hudson). Also, Reiter didn’t suck last year and was extended. They liked what they saw in him.

And he ****ing ignored corner/safety altogether. That’s my other problem. Have fun watching another trash secondary. That’s what you’d be getting.

Were you ok with the Tyson Jackson pick? Cause that's what could end up being the case here if you're dead set on taking a certain position. .

The Chiefs addressed that in free agency.

**** no. And that’s a dumbass argument because Scott Pioli was a dip shit.

Breeland on a one year deal isn’t addressing corner. Next year Breeland and Fuller will be free agents.

Love honey badger but I need one more. I’m not depending on Watts, Lucas, Murray and Sorensen to fill out the rest of the safety position. Yuck

We are well aware of the needs on Defense.

Andy Reed is not the only HC to realize the fastest way to a QB is up the middle. Adding Bradbury is a need. It protects our Most Valuable Player! If he could have a similar impact as Quinton Nelson and give MVP a second or two more in the pocket, hes worth it.

I have no problem with this pick, it may not be sexy but its a need and its makes our Oline that much better.

The argument of overdrafting a player based on need? Yeah, seems to fit pretty well.

Who both went in the 2nd; 55 and 49 respectively. In other words, before we'd even be picking in the 2nd.

Our quality centers were not throwaway picks. They were, at best, guys who will end up costing us a 2 to get ahold of. And if history holds, they wouldn't have been there for our 2nd round picks anyway. Even in your world, taking someone like CGJ (something I have conceded I may have been better served doing but I gambled in the belief that he could fall; he damn near did) would've cost me Omenihu or Jones in the 2nd when I drafted McCoy. And I think both of those guys can make a greater impact than what we'd get at FS from CGJ over Lucas/Watts.

I think we're so damaged by the horrific play of Parker that we forget 2 major things - 1) FS simply isn't as critical in Spags scheme and 2) FS is something you only notice when it's awful. I believe Watts and Lucas, not to mention the ability to flex around Mathieu as needed with the likely retention of Sorensen, will keep us well removed from 'awful' there. And if the rest of the defense improves, the FS becomes far less critical. Realistically you SHOULDN'T be throwing high-end assets at a FS unless you think he's gonna be Earl Thomas. Because if the rest of your defense isn't tripping over its dick every play, the FS is just there to mop up as needed.

Besides, I didn't ignore the secondary - I simply didn't see them as quality picks when we were on the board. Had Adderley fallen to us at 29, I was taking him. Had Layne, CGJ, Love or Savage fallen to us in the 2nd, I'd have likely taken one of them (believing all the while that Love and Savage would've been overdrafts). I was pondering Joejuan in the 2nd but don't see him as an obvious upgrade over what we have given his feet. I was looking at Long as a good developmental fit in the 3rd and Hooker as a solid FS option but again, neither of them made it that far.

But I didn't feel like any of those guys were the best options on the board at the time of the pick and I'm absolutely not going to put need ahead of pedigree, especially when the picks I took addressed positions that could just as easily use the upgrade.

Thing we always always see is that needs next year, aren't needs yet. Needs we think are needs now, may not be needs.

You've got to constantly be adding the best available talent to your roster, no matter the position (within reason). I mean sure, don't go taking a Qb in round 1.

But just always be open to taking the best rated player on your board.

Safety play is like 1b defense.

When it's exceptional, you notice it. If you have Ed Reed back there or Earl Thomas, that's great. You'd still rather get that exceptional play at a more critical position (literally ANY other position on the defense), but it can make a difference in a big way. It isn't wasted to have a generational level player at FS, though you'd probably rather get that at DE or CB, just as it isn't wasted to have that kind of D at 1st base, though you'd rather see it at SS or CF.

But safety play, like 1b defense, is most noticeable when it's god-awful. Mo Vaughn replacing John Olerud and Todd Zeile ruined arguably the best infield defense of all time with the circa 2000 era Mets. But the step down from Olerud to Zeile did very little. Olerud was a superlative defensive 1b, Zeile was just alright. But the way all those pieces fit together, just alright was fine. It was when just alright was replaced by goddamn abysmal that people realized they had a problem.

I think Lucas/Watts can absolutely give you 'just alright' and even Sorensen, when in a complementary role instead of trying to drag Murray and the corpse of Berry along, can give you credible play there as well. They can be Todd Zeile. They don't need to be John Olerud; they just need to not be Mo Vaughn.

FS, especially in this scheme, is a threshhold position. Even moreso with the addition of Mathieu. It just can't SUCK. Now if it turns out that CGJ is Earl Thomas, then the pick should've been him but that's a simple scouting disagreement, not an execution error. I like CGJ a lot, but I don't think he's Earl Thomas and that's why I'm not gonna put him ahead of a guy in Bradbury that I view as the premier talent at his position in this draft.

I think if Adderley is there, you probably take him. He actually could be and Earl Thomas type player. Or atleast, he could be. I'll take that risk.

The others, i'm not sure. So, that being the case, i'm gonna take the C. It sucks, I admit that. I don't like it and it's not sexy.

But if you have the anchor of your OL for 5 years and he's actually a legit All Pro type C, well, that's pretty ****ing valuable.

There's a chasm of difference between the #3 pick and the #29 pick. If they draft for need at #29, it's not the end of the world.

I wouldn't count on Watts for anything. Dude is a walking emergency room visit.

When you draft for need when there are better players on the board, it is.

The end of the 1st is usually pretty shitty because there isn't much difference in that and the 2nd and it's so much up to each teams board.

What we're arguing here is don't take a C or S just to take one, when there is a need a C and there's a blue chip center sitting there.

Watching the Tyreek Hill highlight video in that other thread, one thing that jumped out at me was how many times Patrick Mahomes II made amazing throws as he was getting tsunami-ed by a pass rusher. It makes me want a wall of offensive linemen who can make sure that he never gets touched.

Admittedly, though, you can watch that video and see the OL getting better as the season goes on. He was getting better protection toward the end of the season. But still...I want a wall, and I want the Raiders to pay for it.

If the board fell like that i'd rather trade that first rounder for someone than overdraft someone.

Which I have also stated. More because of his overarching ability free up Mathieu by playing a similar hybrid role to Mathieu. I just don't see CGJ being quite as versatile and that put him in that high 2nd round tier rather than a true 1st round talent.

And again - he's the top of my 2nd round tier guys because I do like the guy. But I don't have a 1st round grade on him. Truth be told, Bradbury was the last 1st round guy I had and he DID fit a need.

There isn't enough of a need at center to justify it, IMO. Safety is a MUCH bigger need.

Watts is my lotto ticket. I think Lucas can play FS in this scheme and do it quite well. He showed damn good range and a nose for contact. He was raw, but there's just little surprising about that. Sorensen could then be a solid #3 safety (as he has been in the past) with Mathieu being the glue that holds it together.

If Watts can stay healthy and move himself into that mix, all the better. If he doesn't, so be it.

You just get into a tier of guys that don't really separate themselves from guys you think will be there in the end of the 2nd.

That's my issue I have when looking around at the draft. Damn near every one I think I would like at 29, I see another guy and think "eh, I could have him at 61 and I don' t think theres much separation as a prospect". It's what makes it so damn hard picking where we are. There are always wild picks there because each team sets the board differently and it makes the scouting process so important.

Whereas I think Lucas is a better player than Reiter and I think Watts at least offers a lottery ticket that we simply don't have right now at C. I think we have both a better placeholder at S AND a higher ceiling backup option unless you're looking to convert McKenzie (which is a huge ask for a guy just finishing his first year as an OL).

:shrug:

Setting that aside, I simply think Bradbury was the best prospect left on the board.

I don't think I agree. I could be talked into it, but as DJ has said, I feel we could cobble together enough safeties to make it work.

I am terrified of Reiter playing C for 16 games and if Bradburry is what he's projected to be, i'll take an all pro for 5 years.

See, I have a lot more faith in Reiter than Lucas. So that's where we differ.

Yeah, I'm not going to bust your chops. You did what you thought was best. I hope the Chiefs have better options than taking a center. ;)

Reiter started 4 games in a stretch that included the Broncos, Browns, Cardinals, and Rams. All of those teams have decent or better pass rushes. He was plenty good enough in those 4 games.

Lucas barely played at all. You're basically saying you'd trust an unknown more just because you're frightened of Mahomes getting hurt or something.

He wasn't good. He is serviceable sure, which maybe is more than we have a safety. So that's definitely a possibility.

But yeah, I don't want to have him running the OL for 16 games, making all the calls and such when I can potentially have an all pro there.

Dj doesn't like him but I'd probably take Thornhill if a similar situation worked out and they're dead set against taking a C.

But Lucas flashed when he did, no?

He got buried because of a veteran preference and the fact that he was our last line of defense because the S alongside him was also overmatched in that particular role (Sorensen/Murray). So Sutton, rightly or wrongly (likely wrongly) was unwilling to shepherd him through his inevitable young player learning curve.

But he flashed the skills to be, at worst, adequate in a pure FS role alongside a credible multi-purpose safety. Especially if he's not also being asked to cover for Scandrick.

Things couldn't have been set up any worse for Lucas and we still saw flashes of a guy who deserved a longer look than he got. Moreover, I'm not willing to bury Watts - he's still the same ballhawk who many of us thought we got a steal on in last year's draft.

Make your Washington pick, damnt. ROFL

Veach is trying to get Brett Jones from Minnesota, so there is a need according to their actions.

I’m not particularly fond of a C in the first. I think they want to trade up for a pass rusher, but man I’m thinking they want a new C soon and that’s not Reiter.

I am very confident that they will draft one, most likely in rd 2.

Well if they sign Brett Jones....then we shouldn't have to worry about taking a center at 29.

Brett Jones isn't really all that great either, lads.

He's more of the same, IMO. He....exists.

That's why I wouldn't sign a guy like him until after the draft. I don't think he fundamentally alters anything with this team but if you spend cap space on him, it may convince you that he does and talk you into doing a thing that doesn't make sense long-term.

Dude, I turned in my pick like 12 hours ago. There's been picks made after me. :)

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost...&postcount=461

I have no clue what you're talking about. LMAO

My bad.

What about his play wasn't good?

It wasn't any different with him than it was with the rest of the crew. They had their ups and downs all year. There wasn't any significant drop-off with him in the lineup. They put up 51 on Aaron Donald and the Rams for crying out loud.

They gave up 12 sacks thru that stretch and Aaron Donald pretty much wrecked the game.

They played 4 of the better pass rushing teams in the league, dude.

And Reiter struggled.

Hence, time to upgrade.

The whole safety unit struggled, including Lucas, and he flashed so much they refused to use him.

I get that people want to upgrade at C. I don't necessarily have a problem with it. I don't think it's a bigger need than the secondary though.

I'm just throwing out all the previous shit with who Sutton played because theres just no god damn way Lucas is worst than Parker and i'm pretty sure it took Andy telling him to sit Parker.

I agree with your statement but my reason for taking Bradburry in this situation is because he's got the chance to be an elite center. I don't know that any of the safeties available to Dj in this mock do.

Yeah, that's why I'm not busting on DJ. The way the board fell wasn't ideal.

i think its a right of passage to get busted on. If i ever get the Chiefs i fully expect people to just rail on me about my picks

If I ever get the Chiefs, I'm drafting OL and RB exclusively just to make sure nobody is happy. LOL

Hoover - wake up dude....

Hoover made his pick; TJ Edwards.

Chargem is up. I assume Hoover sent him the PM.

2 minutes and I will make a pick

Cripes. I've only got ten picks to find another famous person from Cincinnati. It's much harder than one would think.

Made my pick before 9:30 am!

My bad - I should have looked back in the thread instead of just checking the OP.

Go nap now....

:D

easy to happen with all the bitching about the Chiefs draft!

Which is what caused me to miss your pick. I wish there was a way to automatically make each post that has a pick in it to be given 10 thumbs up. That way it's highlighted and easily seen.

Really like that Miles Boykin.

Kept trying to tell myself that I was just being a ND homer, but that dude has skills for days and he's actually a pretty solid route-runner.

He may be a classic case of being held back by an offense that didn't work for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be one of those 'woah!' picks in the 2nd round that people didn't see coming.

It was hard to talk myself out of drafting him at the back of the 3rd. He has a chance to e Conley if Conley could actually move his feet.

he is who i wanted for this ravens pick

sorry forgot to pm

I do agree he probably goes earlier, especially after the combine he had. He's got some major talent to mold. Really like him as a prospect and definitely wouldn't be upset with him as the pick in the 3rd if he fell that far. I'd hesitate a bit in the 2nd as well, but man it'd be tough to overlook the kid. I feel alot more comfortable watch KC do what they want in 2 if they can get one of a pass rusher or DB in 1. I think they have to address one of those spots with a difference maker right off the bat. I think Center, WR, and TE are on the table in 2.

All good, I was cruisin around on here anyhow.

Is he a guy that Andy would like for the Chiefs? It seems like a RB turned WR would be a guy that Andy could have fun with.

I really hope we find a way to draft this kid.

San Francisco 49ers select Christian Miller, EDGE, Alabama

Yes another EDGE guy, but 49ers GM understands an insurance policy is needed for Dee Ford, who will miss at least a quarter of the season due to inj.

Last year we didn’t have “Eric Berry” at all, Ward for a few games once getting acclimated, Sorensen after returning from IR and Watts for just a few games. Fuller and Nelson were the only guys in the secondary we had all year and Nelson wasn’t worth a new deal.

We added Badger, Breeland and will have Watts, Sorensen, Fuller and Ward the whole year...with better coaching.

Once we add new pieces to the secondary in the draft, it should be vastly improved from what was on the field last season.

They need a premier pass rusher and MLB from the draft.

I’m curious if y’all have watched Mecole Hardman of Georgia? Like him a lot at WR

I’m going to get to Bradbury tonight. Watching OL now.

They need a premier corner as well imo. That’s why I’m not keen on Center at 29. There’s just a lot of good value on defense at 29 that wouldn’t be reaches at all.

Well this is a new one. I tried to PM Sfeihc for the next pick but an error message said that the message box is full and Sfeihc has to delete messages to receive new messages. So somehow, he has to know it's his pick without receiving messages.

Sfeihc, it's your turn!

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Tytus Howard, OT, Alabama St.

Done & thank you.

Was curious to see how far he would slide. Never expected him to last to the 5th but he'd be a real nice add if the Chiefs came across a 4th rounder somehow.

The Jacksonville Jaguars select Devin Singletary, RB, FAU

With TJ Yeldon and Corey Grant being free agents, and Carlos Hyde a Chief, the Jaguars would be smart to invest in another back that can handle a modest to significant number of touches given Leonard Fournette’s penchant to miss time. Singletary may be the best pure runner in this draft class, and he would suit some of the single-back, spread concepts and RPO features of the Jags offense they are sure to run with Foles at the helm.

Yea Hardman is a perfect fit for this offense IMO.