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chiefzilla1501 04-26-2019 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 14232446)
Remember. hunt was done in the NFL according to CP.
Nobody said that. They said he'd be done for a while and that was true.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-26-2019 09:41 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt quickly because he&#39;d lied to them; Tyreek Hill still has a job in part because he didn&#39;t get a chance to <a href="https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q">https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121787755187585025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TwistedChief 04-26-2019 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14232529)
Most people watch the hunt and Mixon video and go "oof." The ray Rice video made people cringe. It is unwatchable. The image in your brain of tyreek hitting a pregnant woman is worse than most actual videos of misbehavior. It's not that other people don't do horrible things. It's all optics. We don't have video of Michael Vick killing dogs either. Is that actually worse than a serial abuser of humans? Maybe not. But the image in the head of a man killing dogs is cringeworthy.

Even I fell for the trap. I saw him laughing, playing with his kid, and I was genuinely happy for him. Just a guy who got his priorities straight and would rather play fortnite than get drunk and party. He permanently erased all that goodwill and will never get that back. People now don't see an immature kid making a dumb mistake on a cringeworthy act, now they see a serial abuser with anger issues hitting a pregnant woman. Those optics are really really bad.

Yeah, I don't think he's done either. But many are downplaying how reluctant fans or owners are to take him. Even with his insane talent, he ain't going anywhere for a while.
Nailed it. You painted the exact pictures in my head.

Warrick 04-26-2019 09:43 AM
Could you imagine if we had Marcus Peters, Kareem Hunt, and now Tyreek Hill, and the rest of the cast, all together in the year that Mahomes throws for 50 tds and over 5000 yds? We're just tossing away talent and Superbowls for moral victory... In the end what does it get us? Meanwhile, these other teams that acquire our playmakers are getting better while we deplete our talent pool.

rabblerouser 04-26-2019 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14232415)
I don't think anyone views this incident as bad in isolation. Not by nfl standards.

I think you're focusing too much on the abuse. The problem is that the only reason tyreek wasn't a pr disaster in kc is because the public was sold the idea that the anger management training worked and that he is no longer a threat to anyone. This isn't about the abuse. This is about the public perception that a man who thought it was OK to hit a woman still seems to have anger issues, despite supposedly intensive counseling. Even if he's innocent, it's hard to walk away from that audio and not think that.
This isn't about the child abuse. This is about reopening some serious serious wounds that we thought were stitched shit.
I understand that, but the fact is, he doesn't go around beating up random people in a drunken rage like Khunt does (did?), his problem is specific to this one person...this one person who obviously provokes him intentionally and has been less than truthful.

Dude just needs to not be around her, and his life would immediately improve.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 09:43 AM
For whatever reason, this one doesn't sting like Kareem Hunt.

I'm already ready to move on if that's what needs to happen.

staylor26 04-26-2019 09:43 AM
Florio can seriously ****ing die for all I care

TwistedChief 04-26-2019 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232537)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt quickly because he&#39;d lied to them; Tyreek Hill still has a job in part because he didn&#39;t get a chance to <a href="https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q">https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121787755187585025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I believe it's called plausible deniability.

Mecca 04-26-2019 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14232544)
Florio can seriously ****ing die for all I care
I've had enough of him and his bullshit.

lcarus 04-26-2019 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232543)
For whatever reason, this one doesn't sting like Kareem Hunt.

I'm already ready to move on if that's what needs to happen.
The great news is we have Patrick ****ing Mahomes and he made Albert Wilson look like Hines Ward. We should draft D.K. Metcalf and then go defense the rest of the draft and move on.

New World Order 04-26-2019 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232537)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt quickly because he&#39;d lied to them; Tyreek Hill still has a job in part because he didn&#39;t get a chance to <a href="https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q">https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121787755187585025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Such a ****ing stupid article

Shields68 04-26-2019 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232537)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt quickly because he&#39;d lied to them; Tyreek Hill still has a job in part because he didn&#39;t get a chance to <a href="https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q">https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121787755187585025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
So owner demanded Hunt cut for lying. The football people found a work around to prevent that situation from happening in the future.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14232542)

Dude just needs to not be around her, and his life would immediately improve.
But he is. He put himself in this situation.

When i first learned that they were together again i was immediately concerned.

This woman was allegedly ****ing his best friend. The drama damn near cost him a shot at being in the league. Hell, it damn near had his ass locked up.

And yet he chose to keep her around. It's rationalized by saying, "well he wanted to be with his son".

Fact is, plenty of dads manage to be a major part of their children's lives without staying in a toxic relationship.

This was a bad move. He's a bad decision maker. This dude is a liability that can't be trusted.

Sassy Squatch 04-26-2019 09:47 AM
Tyreek Hill beats his pregnant girlfriend and allegedly his child: Don't cut him! Muh football reasons!

Media covers it: Well, these guys can all ****ing die.

Well, alright then, fellaa.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 14232556)
So owner demanded Hunt cut for lying. The football people found a work around to prevent that situation from happening in the future.
Kareem Hunt lied directly to Andy Reid. Andy Reid cut Kareem Hunt. But keep blaming Clark because it's much more palatable...

rabblerouser 04-26-2019 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14232544)
Florio can seriously ****ing die for all I care
I hope he drinks an antifreeze protein shake filled with AIDS-covered chocolate chips for lunch today.

The Franchise 04-26-2019 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232558)
But he is. He put himself in this situation.

When i first learned that they were together again i was immediately concerned.

This woman was allegedly ****ing his best friend. The drama damn near cost him a shot at being in the league. Hell, it damn near had his ass locked up.

And yet he chose to keep her around. It's rationalized by saying, "well he wanted to be with his son".

Fact is, plenty of dads manage to be a major part of their children's lives without staying in a toxic relationship.

This was a bad move. He's a bad decision maker. This dude is a liability that can't be trusted.
He has shown that he can't be trusted to make the correct decision when it matters.

kcpasco 04-26-2019 09:49 AM
Will Stephen asshole Smith write another article in a few months about how Hill’s punishment was “just right” when another team gives him a 3rd chance ? That article he wrote after the Browns signed Kareem made me want to puke. I seriously hope Stephen A falls out of an airplane.

Whatever Hill’s punishment after KC will be “Just Right”.

chiefzilla1501 04-26-2019 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14232542)
I understand that, but the fact is, he doesn't go around beating up random people in a drunken rage like Khunt does (did?), his problem is specific to this one person...this one person who obviously provokes him intentionally and has been less than truthful.

Dude just needs to not be around her, and his life would immediately improve.
The optics of hitting a pregnant woman, video or no video, will always be worse than the optics of hitting a drunk woman. Even a sober one. And that's considering that hill got his second chance from that just as hunt did. Hunt was on strike 1. Tyreek was already on strike 2 and a half.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 14232520)
We had 9 points in the first half of that NE game.

Hunt had 38 rushing yards and 13 receiving yards.
Exactly.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14232559)
Tyreek Hill beats his pregnant girlfriend and allegedly his child: Don't cut him! Muh football reasons!

Media covers it: Well, these guys can all ****ing die.

Well, alright then, fellaa.
I'm not a guy who's particularly concerned with character. I want wins. I don't give a damn about these player's personal lives.

Until it affects the ability to win.

At this point, i can't see how the Chiefs can keep him. Even if they don't cut him, he'll at least miss games from some form of a suspension.

Then, you have to pay him.

I don't know how anyone can be comfortable making him the highest paid WR in the league, because despite all this drama, he'll still get paid.

And you can't trust him well enough to commit that kinda coin.

If he sticks it out with this woman there WILL be more drama.

Rain Man 04-26-2019 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 14232552)
The great news is we have Patrick ****ing Mahomes and he made Albert Wilson look like Hines Ward. We should draft D.K. Metcalf and then go defense the rest of the draft and move on.
I think a key this year is Demarcus Robinson. He's had these fleeting moments where you can see great potential, but it doesn't happen consistently. If he was to show up ready to be a good citizen and catch footballs, then we'd only need one receiver in the draft and a little luck avoiding injuries.

staylor26 04-26-2019 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14232559)
Tyreek Hill beats his pregnant girlfriend and allegedly his child: Don't cut him! Muh football reasons!

Media covers it: Well, these guys can all ****ing die.

Well, alright then, fellaa.
Oh go **** yourself.

Florio has always been an insufferable douche and it’s clear as day that he’s disingenuous.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14232468)
Because they scored less points without an all-pro caliber running back.
Coincidence is not cause...

Shields68 04-26-2019 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232564)
Kareem Hunt lied directly to Andy Reid. Andy Reid cut Kareem Hunt. But keep blaming Clark because it's much more palatable...
K agent and GM avoided him talking to Andy. Still a work around.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 09:54 AM
If there's any team capable of absorbing a loss like Tyreek Hill, it's the Chiefs.

Mahomes and Reid. So long as you have those two, you'll always have a SB caliber offense.

So we can take some solace in that.

New World Order 04-26-2019 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232585)
Coincidence is not cause...
Do you think Hunt was more of an influence schematically for opposing defenses than Williams?

I do, and I think that's the reason they scored less points without him.

notorious 04-26-2019 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232593)
If there's any team capable of absorbing a loss like Tyreek Hill, it's the Chiefs.

Mahomes and Reid. So long as you have those two, you'll always have a SB caliber offense.

So we can take some solace in that.
Yessir.

People are acting like this is the end of the world. I see a team that has the potential to become stronger and more balanced.

Mahomes won’t have a crutch to lean on. He will be forced to improve.

Rain Man 04-26-2019 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232582)
I'm not a guy who's particularly concerned with character. I want wins. I don't give a damn about these player's personal lives.

Until it affects the ability to win.

At this point, i can't see how the Chiefs can keep him. Even if they don't cut him, he'll at least miss games from some form of a suspension.

Then, you have to pay him.

I don't know how anyone can be comfortable making him the highest paid WR in the league, because despite all this drama, he'll still get paid.

And you can't trust him well enough to commit that kinda coin.

If he sticks it out with this woman there WILL be more drama.
He waited too long to break up with her, and she didn't wait long enough to break up with him. Since it's destined to happen, I guess the big positive is that the Chiefs came out of it without a big contract obligation.

I'm curious, though. In a world where Tyreek never met Crystal, where would he be? Would he be rolling in 70 million $1 bills right now? I bet he wouldn't. I bet he'd be in the exact same situation, but with a woman named Destinee or Duhkota.

rabblerouser 04-26-2019 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14232573)
The optics of hitting a pregnant woman, video or no video, will always be worse than the optics of hitting a drunk woman. Even a sober one. And that's considering that hill got his second chance from that just as hunt did. Hunt was on strike 1. Tyreek was already on strike 2 and a half.
I'm not entirely convinced that he 'beat' a pregnant woman, nor 'choked' her - she's an admitted liar who has committed perjury at least once.

He took a really good plea deal, one that really doesn't get put on the table without some extenuating circumstances...and completed the terms of his probation, which made the charge go away.

They don't give that deal to people who choke/beat pregnant spouses, on the whole.

Maybe things are different in OK, but I doubt they're THAT different

New World Order 04-26-2019 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 14232520)
We had 9 points in the first half of that NE game.

Hunt had 38 rushing yards and 13 receiving yards.
They were able to at least move the ball in the first half against NE in that first game. They had 2 or 3 RZ opportunities.

Best22 04-26-2019 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14232606)
Part of the 9 points was because Andy got cute in the RZ. They had no problem moving the ball the first half in the first game against NE.
NE made adjustments in game 2. Lots of tight coverage and holding. Refs were more liberal in the playoffs than they were in week 6

ShowtimeSBMVP 04-26-2019 10:03 AM
What time does Hill get cut today I say 3pm

CasselGotPeedOn 04-26-2019 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14232603)
I'm not entirely convinced that he 'beat' a pregnant woman, nor 'choked' her - she's an admitted liar who has committed perjury at least once.

He took a really good plea deal, one that really doesn't get put on the table without some extenuating circumstances...and completed the terms of his probation, which made the charge go away.

They don't give that deal to people who choke/beat pregnant spouses, on the whole.

Maybe things are different in OK, but I doubt they're THAT different
No wonder you lost custody of your kids...

In58men 04-26-2019 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Showtime (Post 14232611)
What time does Hill get cut today I say 3pm
They’re focused on the draft right now. It’ll be next week.

He’s definitely gone though.

chiefzilla1501 04-26-2019 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14232603)
I'm not entirely convinced that he 'beat' a pregnant woman, nor 'choked' her - she's an admitted liar who has committed perjury at least once.

He took a really good plea deal, one that really doesn't get put on the table without some extenuating circumstances...and completed the terms of his probation, which made the charge go away.

They don't give that deal to people who choke/beat pregnant spouses, on the whole.

Maybe things are different in OK, but I doubt they're THAT different
Well, she went to the emergency room and they still kept the charges. So there's that.

staylor26 04-26-2019 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14232614)
No wonder you lost custody of your kids...
Is your sole purpose on CP to antagonize people?

That’s literally all you do. Get a ****ing life loser.

CasselGotPeedOn 04-26-2019 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14232620)
Is your sole purpose on CP to antagonize people?

That’s literally all you do. Get a ****ing life loser.
Yeah I'm the loser, even though you want reporters to die because they think Tyreek should never play again in the NFL.

Frazod 04-26-2019 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14232601)
He waited too long to break up with her, and she didn't wait long enough to break up with him. Since it's destined to happen, I guess the big positive is that the Chiefs came out of it without a big contract obligation.

I'm curious, though. In a world where Tyreek never met Crystal, where would he be? Would he be rolling in 70 million $1 bills right now? I bet he wouldn't. I bet he'd be in the exact same situation, but with a woman named Destinee or Duhkota.
I don't know. I mean, he could well be a magnet for the type, but I've known some seriously vicious and deranged women who have absolutely ruined the guys they were with. To everybody who puffs up and says that they would never under any circumstances hit a woman, I say you haven't met some of the women I've known. Two in particular come to mind - one who was married to an old Navy buddy, and another who lived with her boyfriend in my apartment building. In both cases, when the women had audiences, they were (at least under normal circumstances) nice, normal and sweet. But if you hung around long enough the facade came off, and it certainly came off when they were alone with the poor bastards who lived with them. These women were straight up demons. Ghandi would have choked them out.

I had one horrible relationship with a woman who was as mean as those two, but lacked the crazy to put it over the top. And no, I never hit her. Sure wasn't from a lack of wanting to, though.

Sassy Squatch 04-26-2019 10:10 AM
Sure the cops are going to be putting the screws to Crystal really bad now.

"Either cooperate fully with us and take a plea deal for obstruction or we'll just prosecute you instead."

Goddamn, it's depressing how bad this has gotten already and it may get worse before we're done.

New World Order 04-26-2019 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14232636)
Sure the cops are going to be putting the screws to Crystal really bad now.

"Either cooperate fully with us and take a plea deal for obstruction or we'll just prosecute you instead."

Goddamn, it's depressing how bad this has gotten already and it may get worse before we're done.
When Tyreek is released she'll flip

rabblerouser 04-26-2019 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14232614)
No wonder you lost custody of your kids...
I have joint custody of my ONE child.

You're almost as bad as cooper barrett.

Try again.

Skyy God 04-26-2019 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232537)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt quickly because he&#39;d lied to them; Tyreek Hill still has a job in part because he didn&#39;t get a chance to <a href="https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q">https://t.co/Wzagge8j8Q</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121787755187585025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Good, the Chiefs are learning.

New World Order 04-26-2019 10:26 AM
Please, Frank. Don't **** up

htismaqe 04-26-2019 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 14232610)
NE made adjustments in game 2. Lots of tight coverage and holding. Refs were more liberal in the playoffs than they were in week 6
Yep.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14232692)
Good, the Chiefs are learning.
I don't think they're learning anything.

If Hunt hadn't lied, he wouldn't have been cut, simple as that.

Skyy God 04-26-2019 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232700)
I don't think they're learning anything.

If Hunt hadn't lied, he wouldn't have been cut, simple as that.
If you don’t interview Hill, he can’t lie.

This isn’t hard.

Codered 04-26-2019 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14232711)
If you don’t interview Hill, he can’t lie.

This isn’t hard.
You don't think they talked to him? At least asked simple questions like -

Is there anything we should be concerned about or aware of?

etc ...

Chief Roundup 04-26-2019 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 14232130)
Tyreek Hill isn't St. Patrick, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He is a special talent. There are players out there that will give you 80-90% of Hill without the baggage just like Williams gave the Chiefs probably 90% of what Hunt would have.
I don't want his continued employment with the Chiefs any more than most here but I hope the Chiefs learned to wait things out to see what happens so that they get more than the "moral high ground" in return for doing what's right. If the NFL gives him a slap on the wrist like Hunt, then a new discussion is in order.
Damn 8 games is a slap on the wrist.

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VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-26-2019 10:43 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Kansas City Chiefs: <a href="https://t.co/Kh7LyD6dg7">pic.twitter.com/Kh7LyD6dg7</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1121816104261881856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rabblerouser 04-26-2019 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232753)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Kansas City Chiefs: <a href="https://t.co/Kh7LyD6dg7">pic.twitter.com/Kh7LyD6dg7</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1121816104261881856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That's just a transcription of last night's presser.

In58men 04-26-2019 10:54 AM
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htismaqe 04-26-2019 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14232711)
If you don’t interview Hill, he can’t lie.

This isn’t hard.
Hill didn't even know the audio existed, kind of hard for him to lie about it.

You honestly think they didn't discuss it with him at all?

Shields68 04-26-2019 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232798)
Hill didn't even know the audio existed, kind of hard for him to lie about it.

You honestly think they didn't discuss it with him at all?
Factor in that the case was about how the kid broke his arm. If the Chiefs talk to him it was probably on those lines. He denied breaking the child's arm on the tape. Doubt the chiefs discussions would have gotten into discipline. But I am guessing counsel of Hill in a on going case is going to try and limit any and all discussions if they can.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-26-2019 11:02 AM
Sounds like Hill probably won’t face any criminal charges since on the tape he didn’t admit to breaking his kids arm but at the same time he didn’t deny it. However, CPS will have other words to say about this and then it ultimately comes down to Goodell and what does he decide

Sassy Squatch 04-26-2019 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232823)
Sounds like Hill probably won’t face any criminal charges since on the tape he didn’t admit to breaking his kids arm but at the same time he didn’t deny it. However, CPS will have other words to say about this and then it ultimately comes down to Goodell and what does he decide
The investigation will be reopened and both the DA/CPS will be trying to turn them against one another to get the whole truth.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 14232812)
Factor in that the case was about how the kid broke his arm. If the Chiefs talk to him it was probably on those lines. He denied breaking the child's arm on the tape. Doubt the chiefs discussions would have gotten into discipline. But I am guessing counsel of Hill in a on going case is going to try and limit any and all discussions if they can.
Right.

Andy Reid asked Kareem Hunt if he kicked that lady and Hunt said "no".

Video released, Hunt did kick her, he gone.

Andy Reid asked Tyreek Hill if he broke the kid's arm and Hill said "no".

Audio is released and despite the horrible nature of the things that were said, Hill never said he he broke his arm. Therefore, he hasn't lied. Yet anyway.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14232830)
The investigation will be reopened and both the DA/CPS will be trying to turn them against one another to get the whole truth.
I believe you're right. They're going to put the thumb screws to everybody involved now. Pull back all the curtains.

Frazod 04-26-2019 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232753)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Kansas City Chiefs: <a href="https://t.co/Kh7LyD6dg7">pic.twitter.com/Kh7LyD6dg7</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1121816104261881856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What the statement should say:

We are aware of the situation, but have an obligation to our team and our fans not to simply release Hill just so that he can be immediately claimed off waivers by a competing team, because that really shouldn't happen to us twice.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14232830)
The investigation will be reopened and both the DA/CPS will be trying to turn them against one another to get the whole truth.
I doubt there's anything on that tape that the DA doesn't already know.

Hill, again, never admits to breaking anything on that audio clip.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232839)
I believe you're right. They're going to put the thumb screws to everybody involved now. Pull back all the curtains.
It's hard to fathom that wasn't already done.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232849)
It's hard to fathom that wasn't already done.
I'm sure it was to a certain extent.

What they have now, that they didn't have before, is a tacit admission not by him but by her.

She openly admitted she's been covering for him with both CPS and LEO's.

I would imagine they're going to try and break her.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232845)
I doubt there's anything on that tape that the DA doesn't already know.

Hill, again, never admits to breaking anything on that audio clip.
As I just said, there's one thing on that tape the DA didn't know - that Espinal admitted she was covering for Hill during the investigation.

TEX 04-26-2019 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232855)
As I just said, there's one thing on that tape the DA didn't know - that Espinal admitted she was covering for Hill during the investigation.
Oh - I think he knew that. He just couldn't prove it. Now he can.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14232857)
Oh - I think he knew that. He just couldn't prove it. Now he can.
True.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232855)
As I just said, there's one thing on that tape the DA didn't know - that Espinal admitted she was covering for Hill during the investigation.
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14232857)
Oh - I think he knew that. At the very least he highly suspected it. He just couldn't prove it. Now he can.
I don't think it makes a difference. "I rode for you" isn't an admission that she lied.

I can't imagine that holding any water when it comes to the legal system.

htismaqe 04-26-2019 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232867)
I don't think it makes a difference. "I rode for you" isn't an admission that she lied.

I can't imagine that holding any water when it comes to the legal system.
It's a wedge they can use to drive into any cracks they found in her story.

I'm sure they knew she was lying, they just couldn't get her to break.

The audio gives them a tool they didn't have before...

TEX 04-26-2019 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232867)
I don't think it makes a difference. "I rode for you" isn't an admission that she lied.

I can't imagine that holding any water when it comes to the legal system.
You may be right. It really takes a lot of clear verbiage and clear intent for stuff to actually count in a court of law as is, where it doesn't in the court of public opinion. All you gotta do there is be able to semi connect the dots.

But sometimes the "almost gotcha" stuff can can be used to flip one against the other.

tyreekthefreak 04-26-2019 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232823)
Sounds like Hill probably won’t face any criminal charges since on the tape he didn’t admit to breaking his kids arm but at the same time he didn’t deny it. However, CPS will have other words to say about this and then it ultimately comes down to Goodell and what does he decide
Actually, he did deny breaking his arm. He said, "I didn't do nothing," which is a denial. For all anyone knows Tyrrek is only guilty of punching/tapping/hitting his kid in the chest as a form of punishment.

I really doubt Tyreek gets his kicks beating up 3 year olds!

You see what his woman is like.....so yeah, maybe he did slap her around. Disgusting, but somewhat understandable!

BIG_DADDY 04-26-2019 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14232874)
It's a wedge they can use to drive into any cracks they found in her story.

I'm sure they knew she was lying, they just couldn't get her to break.

The audio gives them a tool they didn't have before...
Legal stuff cracks me up like nobody ever heard of saying "am I being charged with anything? If not I want to go and you can talk to my attorney."

A tool, yea that's why they say anything and everything will be used against you in the court of law.

ClevelandBronco 04-26-2019 11:26 AM
Regardless of how anyone feels about Tyreek playing for the Chiefs or any other team in the NFL or the XFL or whatever some day in the future, I can't understand why anyone would hope even a little that the legal and child protective systems, the Chiefs, the NFL and the media might be hampered in their attempts to uncover the truth in this situation.

Hoping that the truth might remain unknown and that any people responsible for hurting this child—IF any people IN FACT hurt him—is incomprehensible to me.

BIG_DADDY 04-26-2019 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14232893)
Regardless of how anyone feels about Tyreek playing for the Chiefs or any other team in the NFL or the XFL or whatever some day in the future, I can't understand why anyone would hope even a little that the legal and child protective systems, the Chiefs, the NFL and the media might be hampered in their attempts to uncover the truth in this situation.

Hoping that the truth might remain unknown and that any people responsible for hurting this child—IF any people IN FACT hurt him—is incomprehensible to me.
Everyone wants the truth. There is a difference between that and being amazed that so many don't know their basic rights. When my sister was young she was a cop for several years. Never once in all those years did anyone ever say what I did in my last post.

Shields68 04-26-2019 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232867)
I don't think it makes a difference. "I rode for you" isn't an admission that she lied.

I can't imagine that holding any water when it comes to the legal system.
In of itself it is not a lie. But it sounds like Hill and her both talked to the police, She makes a lot of other factual assertions then throws in I rode for you. I am guessing there is a strong possibility that her factual assertions on tape are going to differ from what she told the police. That is where she may have serious problems and taken in context of the whole conversation may indicate that she lied to the cops to protect Hill.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-26-2019 11:37 AM
Tyreek Hills son has been taken in by the Royals bullpen

Chiefnj2 04-26-2019 11:39 AM
It's sad that they are talking about whether a three year old fears, is terrified, or respects his dad. How about the novel idea of the three year old loves his dad?

The tape heavily implies that Hill was alone with his son when he broke his arm.

ToxSocks 04-26-2019 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14232919)
Tyreek Hills son has been taken in by the Royals bullpen
Quit trying to steal Demonpenz's joke.

ClevelandBronco 04-26-2019 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 14232900)
Everyone wants the truth. There is a difference between that and being amazed that so many don't know their basic rights. When my sister was young she was a cop for several years. Never once in all those years did anyone ever say what I did in my last post.
I'd say that quite a few people want to know the truth only out of human curiosity, not because they hope for some sort of just punishment or righteous restoration at the end of all this as a result of knowing the truth.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-26-2019 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14232934)
Quit trying to steal Demonpenz's joke.
His thought process is that the Royals will protect him. My thought proces is he would get abused just like the Royals bullpen

BIG_DADDY 04-26-2019 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14232935)
I'd say that quite a few people want to know the truth only out of human curiosity, not because they hope for some sort of just punishment or righteous restoration at the end of all this as a result of knowing the truth.
There is the safety of a child involved. That by far is the most important.

tmax63 04-26-2019 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14232305)
Kelce gonna see a ton of doubles and if Watkins gets hurt....with more defenses not as scared of getting beat down field the run game will take a hit as this is a finesse line.
And if Mahomes or Kelce or any one of several Chiefs get hurt they're screwed as well. One player not named Mahomes will not make or break the season.


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