Pressures are also subjective. That's why they and PFR and ESPN have different pressure statistics. So yes even with pressures you're still at the mercy of PFF's graders.

The ole CP cop out emoji.

C'mon.

If this is 'his job' then it's Brett Veach that sucks at his and not Frank Clark.

No, this is nothing close to the job you give someone $20 million/season to perform.

It's truly okay to look at how he's performed with a critical eye, gents. I mean FFS, people on Twitter saying "Look at him fight through a double team..." when we sent 3 rushers. No, that's not a double team, the G literally didn't have anything to do so he peeled back. EVERYONE does that. We rushed three, Jackson had 8 seconds in the pocket. Clark didn't just take a knee at any point - SUPERSTAR!!!

For the 3rd straight week he was no better than the 4th best DL on this team. No, he's not 'doing his job' right now. Jones and Okafor are doing it every week. Ogbah has been doing it quite a bit as well. But it is not 'the job' of a $20 million defensive end to be a complementary player who sometimes looks almost as good as everyone else on the line with him.

Clark's just been 'meh' and had so many people not desperately wanted this trade to be amazing already, they wouldn't be setting the bar so damn low for the guy. It really is amazing to me how people can watch how he's played and say "yeah, that's fine..."

Sure it is - if you traded Eric Murray for him. Or if you gave him the deal you gave Okafor.

None of those things happened to get Frank Clark and no, his play to this point has not been remotely acceptable for someone who the Chiefs paid so dearly to put on the field. Call that an indictment on Clark or Veach (or even say it's incomplete to this point) if you want, but it has NOT been an acceptable level of performance.

And to continue trying to polish that turd is just bizarre to me. Why the hell is this guy getting so much latitude from a board that has NEVER been this forgiving for draft picks or FA acquisitions. Suddenly we use draft picks AND pay what amounts to a huge FA contract and everyone wants to treat this dude with kid gloves.

Billy Bob also went on to say that as far as judging him as a bust, it is WAY to early in the ballgame to say.

How do you know this? And we also traded the 2020 second round pick.

We traded a 2019 first round pick and a 2020 second round pick for Clark and gave him a huge contract. Seahawks traded a 2020 3rd round pick and some scrub players for Clowney on a franchise deal. At this point, who do you think is ahead on their trade?

You already copped out by playing the "Bill Maas knows more about football than you" card.

I mean he played. And he snorted a lot of coke. So yeah, I'm sure he knows more about football than most people, kind of like John Elway.

Why wouldn't I laugh at you? You're not willing to listen to reason so there's no point in actually trying to have a debate with you.

The Baltimore offense looked like it was designed to RPO to the right, away from the defensive right side. Several people, including me, sitting in our area saw a Baltimore offense designed to run AWAY from Frank Clark. That's the definition of having an impact on a game.

He hasn't been bad, but we paid for a game wrecker. He hasn't been that, or anywhere close to that.

Who isn't?

And I don't have any way to tally this, but it seemed to me that starting in the 2nd quarter, Spags was really trying to move Clark around to free him up. Stanley was ****ing wrecking him so I think Spags was hoping to jump-start him by moving him over to the left side to face Brown.

And even with Ogbah drawing the tougher opponent (Stanley is really good), he looked great out there.

I think Veach is getting plenty of credit for the Ogbah trade - and he deserves every bit of it. I think he's getting some credit for Okafor as well.

But again, all of this can be said while also being critical of other decisions. Being critical of Frank Clark is more than fair to this point in the season. He has not played well at all.

Which team lost at home yesterday to Teddy Bridgewater?

Of course you'd love to get better value but at the end of the day, the end results are all that matters. You're picking nits. I guess it's a testament to how good this team really is that people have to resort to this to generate a discussion.

It's one thing to be critical. The title of this thread is "Frank Clark ****ing sucks". That's not critical, it's flat out stupid.

Then you must not have noticed how Clark was being stationed to the left side of the line a LOT in the later stages of the game.

They were running traps up the middle and blowing Williams out of the hole while using Jones aggression against him. It's smart football but it was hardly 'running away from Frank Clark...'

Again, you're talking about an impact that's fine for a guy that costs half of what Frank Clark cost. But if you're saying "Man, look at the impact the guy had on run defense" when we gave up 200 yards rushing at 6 yards a clip...well I think you're doing something wrong.

No, he hasn't meaningfully impacted this defense. He's played roughly at a starters level but that's it. Not even a good starters level.

You cannot really think that this is what he was brought here to be. A glorified Mike Devito? I cannot for the life of me understand why some people are trying so hard to act like he's playing well right now. He just ****ing isn't. He's getting handled out there and it's happening virtually every play.

I'm sorely talking about Clark vs Clowney. The fact that the Seahawks lost yesterday has no bearing on that.

And it's not nitpicking to say that a player with this much capital invested in him should be better.

Frank Clark has played like someone who should've cost a 4th round pick and/or maybe cost 1/3 of what we're paying for him in FA.

Would that make you feel better? Because that's accurate.

You want to get bent out of shape over thread titles, well that's your prerogative. But the bottom line is that we're not getting anything close to a reasonable ROI on this guy and we already have folks like Clay saying "Well if he gets 10 sacks...."

Oh for ****'s sake, now we've moved the bar down to 10 sacks and solid run D? And folks, that's all his run D has been - solid. He hasn't been destroying worlds there either. But now 10 sacks and solid run D is acceptable for the 5th highest paid defender in football who also cost us a shitload of draft capital?

Stop lowering the bar for this guy. He isn't playing well. At all. And unless he does, the ceiling for this defense will remain 'meh'... He was the centerpiece of the defensive rebuild and he absolutely has to start playing like it.

Do I think this is what he was brought here to be?

No.

Do I think the entire defense is new? Yes.

Again, look at the title of the thread and the hyperbole that started it all. It's pretty easy to see why this is an argument and it has nothing to do with the people defending him.

So if the thread title was different you'd admit Clark has been a disappointment?

I'll start worrying about it when we lose a game to poor defense. See also: last year

Here’s Frank Clark drawing the double team on the stunt with Tanoh. Pretty clear that Oakland was focused on him so Hudson could go against Jones 1X1.

Clark’s double team gave both Tanoh and Jones 1X1 opportunities and this is what happened:

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It was clear as day that the Raiders were hell bent on taking him away and Daley wisely took advantage of it.

But hey it wasn’t a sack so I guess that mean **** all.

It absolutely does when someone points out that he's routinely the 4th best player on the DL and your response is "He's doing his job..."

NOW who's overplaying their hand?

His defenders have no more high ground than his most vicious detractors at this point.

Frank Clark isn't playing good football. He isn't 'doing his job'. And if you sat up there watching them running those plays (again, mostly trap plays up the gut that were taking advantage of a softer middle) and thought to yourself "well clearly they're running to the right, away from Frank Clark" when he spent a large portion of that game on THAT side of the defensive formation - then clearly you were also just seeing what you wanted to see.

No, the Ravens were never running away from Frank Clark; at the very least they weren't actively avoiding Frank Clark. When they run to the right do you know why? Hint: The name you're looking for isn't Frank Clark - it's Marshall Yanda. Who is ****ing awesome. Running behind Will Shields wasn't because you're scared of the RDE - it's because running inside behind Will Shields works really well, regardless of who's on the field. The Ravens most assuredly were not game-planning to avoid running at Clark - because they kept running the same way even after Spags started moving him.

No, he's not playing well. And saying "Frank Clark ****ing sucks" is no more egregious than trying to argue that he's actually playing well. He isn't.

I'd admit he hasn't lived up to the price tag, sure.

Disappointment though, no. There is absolutely NOTHING disappointing about being the best team in the NFL, sorry.

It’s okay to call out poor play. Anyone that thinks Frank hasn’t been disappointing is just wrong right now, and that’s coming from someone who is great at analyzing football. Hopefully he gets things going

When Lamar Jackson RPO's into a horizontal run to the right for 4 or 5 yards, they're running away from the right side. There were way more runs than the Ingram/Edwards runs you're referring to.

They were one of the 2 best last year too. It was still disappointing.

And herein lies the fundamental problem with living on CP.

You can't control the outcome. You can only enjoy the ride. Why focus on it?

Not when they were putting Clark on the defense's left (offenses right) with fair frequency and they were STILL running over there.

Again - that's because of Marshall Yanda - not Frank Clark.

I don't know where this whole "Frank Clark - elite run defender" thing came from but it's not true now and it hasn't been true at any point in his entire career. He's a solid run defender. Teams are not game-planning around running away from Frank Clark and they never have.

Y'all want a run defender? I will say what I said weeks ago - that guy was Clowney, who has been a truly elite run defender his entire career. Frank Clark is not the guy you think he is.

He's a solid run defender who's key attribute there is that he won't hurt you against the run while also being a genuine asset as a pass rusher. Right now he's been largely a non-factor because he's still just a solid run defender but the asset as a pass rusher part is missing. I mean really, now we're talking about the guard picking him up on a stunt as though the LT releasing late isn't a mistake?

The Chiefs did that 2 weeks ago and LDT got correctly barbecued for it. Now when the Raiders do it "Clearly the Raiders are hell-bent on not giving Clark anything!!!!"

No, it's just as likely, if not far more so, that the communication between the G and T was screwed up (as happens on stunts that DON'T involve the immortal Frank Clark every single week) and when the G passed Tanoh up the line for the T to pick him up, the T neglected to do so and then K-Pass came free. That's extremely likely to just be bad OL play and when the Chiefs OL does it (and we aren't engaging in a Frank Clark dick-suck-a-thon) we're smart enough to recognize that.

But suddenly Frank Clark is involved and people turn their brains off.

No matter how many words you type it still doesn't make you right

LMAO DJ is sure in a mood.

Wait till the Chiefs trade a haul for Ramsey.

That'll be a fun day.

Frank Clark's been our 4th best defensive lineman through 3 weeks.

Shorter - you feel better now?

Yes and can't disagree with you on that but if the other three didn't have him on the line would they still have produced that well?

That's....not Clark drawing a double team though...

For the record - the 2 point conversion play was a good play by Clark. The athleticism/balance to defeat the cut and still knife in there after Sorensen set the edge was a genuinely good play. The guy does deserve credit for that (even if it was someone else that cleaned it up; don't recall who).

But when people are applauding him for being involved in a twist or almost making a tackle on a screen or simply not sitting down on the field when 2 guys have the adaucity to block him when we sent 3...I mean lord, when did Frank Clark start getting graded on the "Kindergartners Fingerpainting" scale?

It's just the damndest thing. Why are people so desperately trying to pretend like his performance to this point has been okay? This wasn't a 6th round flyer. Let's say we'd have traded Fisher in the offseason and then taken that pick PLUS 1st round pick and used it to get Trent Williams. Then extended Trent Williams at a record deal.

Would anyone be so defensive of Trent Williams playing to the same level Clark has played to thus far? No, of course not - because the result would be splashed across our screen every time Williams got Mahomes splattered. And yes, Clark's absolutely played that poorly but people just keep making excuses for him or, even worse, ignoring the fact outright.

I'm mostly just dumbfounded - not by Clark - but by CP. I mean FFS, does the guy pay for the server or something and I just didn't get the memo?

How would Ogbah and Tanoh be doing if they were the focus like Clark?

Seriously dude did you watch the Raiders game? Watch the highlights of that game and almost every play you’ll see a RB chip, WR chip or OL double him. Nearly every damn play.

If you'd give Clark's snaps to Ogbah and given Ivey the rotational role that Ogbah presently, we wouldn't be quite as good - no.

But we wouldn't be that much worse off either. Like I said, Clark has played at functional starter level to this point - that's...functional. But it's not good. And Flowers could've gotten us 'functional starter' level easily. Preston Smith was a guy I really wanted in the off-season and he'd have done that and then some. Za'Darius Smith has looked great. Both guys cheaper AND we'd probably have Ya-Sin in the defensive backfield which would've sure been nice while Ward was half-assing that hail-mary sent his way.

The point isn't "what if he just didn't exist and we spent $20 million and 2 draft picks on hookers and blow..." - it's the opportunity cost of what was spent on Clark. And right now its troublesome. It will be especially so if we can't bring Jones back who has clearly been the most important part of this DL to this point.

Here’s the difference between Ogbah and Clark.

Clark is out for a breather. It’s like they forgot Ogbah was even there. Free rush to the QB. Would never happen to Clark.

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And the next play here’s Clark back in. Immediate chip by a TE and G rolling over to help.

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Clark is better than Ogbah or any defensive end we have on the roster. Teams constantly focusing on him clearly tells you that.

Do you think the best rushers in football just get ignored, Run?

Every great player gets chipped. And no, it doesn't happen to Clark 'nearly every damn play', nor is a simple chip as aggressive a defense mechanism as you're making it out to be. He was ineffective against the Ravens and they were rarely giving him extra attention.

And even when they do - you don't pay complementary players $20 million. You pay $20 million to guys who can draw fire AND produce. That's why they cost $20 million. JJ Watt was out there eating double teams (effectively triple teams as a 3-tech as often as he was) and still wrecking defenses. And that's why he got the money he got. Peak Justin Houston and Von Miller would defeat double teams and simply laugh at a 'chip' as some kind of defense against them.

I reiterate - just how low are we gonna set this bar? "Oh, well I guess he tried hard and the RB chucked him in the shoulder so onto the next play!"

You don't give $20 million and a 1st rounder+ to a guy and then act like him simply being there is enough. It isn't. This guy is getting paid like a ****ing superstar and suddenly we're supposed to grade on a curve because "hey, his job is hard..." or something. Yeah, so is very all-pro player's but funny, when Veach said "Potential DPOY" I figured we'd get someone who might actually demonstrate it.

I can't remember many DPOY votes for a guy because he got chipped by the running back a few times and so actual production was deemed too difficult...

The Chiefs rushed 3. They aren't rolling guys to him there I don't think. It's guys finding work.

Clark drawing the attention is great as long as other people produce because of it. I have no problems with what we have seen out of Clark so far. Teams are running away from him and doubling him in pass protection so other players should be drawing 1-1's and need to capitalize on that. A sack we got in Jacksonville was made in large part by Clark bull rushing the lineman almost into the QB and collapsing the pocket on that side and giving the QB no where to go. NExt thing you know another player is sacking the QB. All people here did was bitch because he didn't do some fancy swim move.

So there is literally nothing that happens that you won't use as a defense of Frank Clark.

That 'chip' from the TE blasted Clark back so hard that the RT had time to completely set in his stance and just destroy him. He's slow off the ball, he lets the TE get into his body (no hand-fighting at all) - by any reasonable analysis that's a completely ineffective snap from Clark.

And you use it as proof that he's awesome. Because he was lined up over the TE. You realize that the TE was set in-line right? And they had no way to know that Clark was gonna be over there? That TE was gonna hit whoever was in front of him. And Clark did nothing to actually keep him out of his body.

Again - this is what I'm talking about. Kindergartners fingerpainting man. Clark did a shit job on that snap and instead it's being used as 'proof' that he must be good because the TE situated on that side of the field just happened to hit the guy in front of him before he went into the pattern.

Dafuq?

Exactly.

People are completely ignoring the play as it's run and acting like it's run BECAUSE of Frank Clark. Rushing 3 and having a guard decide to go hit someone doesn't mean they're doubling Clark.

Running behind arguably the best G in football isn't trying to avoid Frank Clark.

Lining up over a TE who hits the guy before going into the pattern isn't an active decision to focus on Clark.

The LT blowing the pickup so that K-Pass can get around on a twist is not a designed reaction to Clark.

Teams are not game-planning around Frank Clark, lads. And he's not the first guy to ever get chipped by a runningback.

This is !@#$ing comical.

I'll wait until at least the end of the season to judge Clark, I think he's been decent but not incredible obviously.

Teams are absolutely game planning against Clark. The Raiders doubled and chipped him nearly every goddamn play. The Ravens ran away from his side most of the time.

Hell one of the Ravens 4th down conversions was designed rolling Lamar Jackson to the right. Why the hell do you think that is? Why would they roll him away from Frank Clark?

But hey he’s the 4th best DL on the team bc Ogbah gets a sack due to the OL forgetting he existed and not laying a single hand on him.

Good ****ing God

Because he throws better rolling to his dominant hand?

Clark spent a lot of Sunday on the right side, they kept running that way. Why is that?

This is the only reasonable way to approach it.

If we’re judging based on 3 games, then Shaq Barrett and Ogbah are better players than Clark, Von Miller, and Bradley Chubb.

Because the Ravens run a ton of RPO action and Lamar Jackson is ****ing righthanded. Are you serious with this nonsense? Why would a designed roll be to Lamar Jackson's right? Is that seriously the question you're asking right now? Because even if it's a designed run (which the Ravens rarely do; Jackson will almost always have a pass option in there), you still have an illusion to sell and if you roll Jackson to his left I'd say that illusion is gone, wouldn't you? And again - Marshall Yanda.

Just more attributing an effect to a preferred cause. As you've done over and over and over again. Tell me more about how the in-line TE who hit a guy as he went into the pattern but had no idea that Clark was going to be lined up over him when that play was called was the Ravens 'targeting Clark' again.

And no, the Ravens didn't run away from his side because y'all continue to ignore the fact that Clark moved to the left side of the formation for much of the 2nd half. And the Ravens didn't react to it at all. And again, y'know, Marshall Yanda.

This is basic football stuff that I swear to Christ you knew before it involved Frank Clark. You actually cited a missed Twist as proof of Clark's dominance. How in the actual hell has this guy convinced you to simply stop looking at the play in front of you? These are not demonstrations of Clark's excellence at all.

The 2-point conversion? That was good - go with that. Excellent play.

All the rest of this noise? I'm just dumbfounded by this.

You sir, are absolutely correct.

The only way you can fully and finally make a determination on the Clark trade isn't even at the end of 2019. It's probably nearer the end of 2022 if we're being completely fair.

The book is nowhere close to written on Frank Clark.

But we can absolutely address how he's played to this point and if you think that Clark will eventually compete for DPOY's and fuel championships - great, bully for you. I don't agree, but I understand that there's a long time to go.

But how in the hell can that convince anyone that he's playing well right now? So much so that some of the absolutely ridiculous arguments that KC is making seem rational when he types them. Why did they roll a righthanded quarterback...to his right. That got typed. As a gotchya.

Dude had his best game as a Chief against the Ravens. He was underwhelming at best.

No doubt. I am in no way saying he’s met expectations. I do however feel that Clark’s best games as a Chief are ahead of him.

I've curled up into the fetal position at this point man.

I think it was Mellinger years ago who, after a penalty flag was picked up said "I'm as surprised by that call as I would be if I ordered a hamburger and the waiter brought me a new suit..."

I mean, you reach a level of perplexed where you just stare slack-jawed at the screen.

I mean...what is going on here?

It's the lack of counter-moves that have me the most disappointed.

The 2-point conversion demonstrated the athleticism; great footwork and balance there. And at times you'll see the power. But where's the bend? I don't see hardly any. And where's the plan, man? Where's the 2nd move? I just never see it.

He reminds me of rookie year Justin Houston right now. Houston would occasionally show you something that made you think "alright, we might have something here..."

But all too often he'd blast upfield and then didn't know what to do with his momentum so the tackle would just ride him out. Or he'd get into a body, even get his arm extended....and then just ineffectively chop his feet. He'd flash a tool or two but not the know-how to put it to full use

Then suddenly he started using that straight-arm and then use a chop move to get the OL off balance and come inside. And once that started working he'd find a way to turn his strength into power and lean into the OL to get his bend to work (his technique there was second to none). He started finding ways to make all those tools work. Then the rip and swim moves came and he was just a force (even with guys chipping him - {gasp})

Did Clark just forget? Is he trying to put it all back together? Did he ever truly have some of that technique to begin with?

Because right now I'm seeing a guy who decides before the snap what he's gonna do and then dies with it. I'm not seeing a plan and I'm not seeing much in the way of real intuition. At times he'll be a scrapper in the Wistrom mold but that's not the bill I was sold.

I simply cannot believe that the team missed this badly. There has to be something there that he's just struggling to put together. Nobody put a gun to Veach's head and said "no, you can't sign Smith or Smith or Flowers - you HAVE to trade for Clark..."

A presumably bright NFL personnel staff chose this man for a reason. There HAS to be more here.

But it has been pretty poor thus far.

Funny thing is - I feel exactly the same way but for the exact opposite reason.

We waited 35 years to draft a QB and ended up with possibly the best young QB EVER. The defense was awful last year and the only thing that prevented them from going to a Super Bowl.

They went out and spent a trillion dollars on the defense, overturned the entire starting lineup, overturned the entire coaching staff, scrapped the entire scheme and started over.

The team is 3-0 and just beat what many considered one of the contenders in the AFC and he we are discussing...

"Frank Clark ****ing sucks"

I guess it's just too much to expect CP to undergo any kind of significant emotional growth. We're just too condition to pull everything apart and complain about it.

I've pretty much said my piece in this thread, but I just wanted to add some facts to the conversation before I leave this one.

Frank Clark in his previous three seasons posted at least ten sacks a season. We are in Week 3.

FYI: Reggie White in his first season with the Packers when he came over from the Eagles recorded only 1.5 sacks in his first 4 games as a Packer. Later that season he didn't record a sack for 4 weeks in a row. Then went on to win a SB a year later. Charles Haley in his first season with the Cowboys recorded ONE (1) sack in his first 8 games as a Cowboy in his first season in Dallas. And that season he only recorded SIX sacks for the season. The following season I think he only recorded FOUR SACKS. The year after that he recorded 12. And they went on to win a SB.

No one now thinks that those were bad deals.

R E L A X. It's a long season. We aren't paying Clark 100M for this one season. Or for sacks this season. We're paying him to help us win in the AFCCG. Period.

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I believe we're discussing more than that, sir.

What you're seeing is the heightened scrutiny that comes with real expectations. When the difference was 7-9 vs. 11-5 and a 1st round loss - who gives a shit?

But now the difference between say Clark or Smith+Ya Sin could genuinely be a SB championship.

You're damn right that brings with it added frustration. And why shouldn't it?

When it matters - it matters. That's when stuff like this SHOULD be subject to additional scrutiny. Otherwise you're just multiplying by zero - no?

Wasn't that Clark that jumped on Jackson's back like a hungry lion to get a big sack when we needed it?

Yup, Studley!

Yeah, I didn't even start on the threads about Demarcus Robinson sucking or Mecole Hardman sucking or any of the other number of "suck" threads this place produces when guys have 1 or 2 bad games.

That's just the thing - it's WEEK FOUR. We have no idea how this season is going to play out yet. You said it yourself - when it matters, it matters. Right now, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Reality is Frank Clark is a Chief and this team is ahead of where it was at this time last year. There's really no reason for said scrutiny, other than there's nothing else to talk about.

And to be fair to you, DJ. You didn't start the thread.

And you've been plenty fair with your scrutiny of Clark as well.

I got involved in this thread to address certain people who want to say Frank Clark is garbage, which simply isn't true.

Those people have crawled back into their holes and left you holding the flaming bag of pooh. Shame on them, not you.

Come on, man! Dude is 3 games into the season on a new team with new teammates and a new defensive scheme. He should have 11ntybillion sacks already!

Personally I think once this defense has half a season under their belt, understand the defense better and have a chance to start building some chemistry we are going to see them start gelling at the right time....

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That was a pretty big play.

Clark will bust out for 3 sacks this week and this thread will be forgotten.

I'm starting to wonder if his UCLs aren't still giving him trouble. He tore them both in 2018, and as far as I know he played with them like that.

I don't think it's lacking emotional growth to see an area that needs improvement and talk about it. It would be one thing if we were nitpicking something the offense did. But we spent literally all off season discussing how the defense needs to be better and investing picks and money into players for the defense and people want to see an improvement.

I have no question that playoff time, no matter who we face the offense will do its job and put up enough points to win. But I have a lot of doubt when it comes to the defense especially against the Patriots. So that's why I'm posting like this. I didn't think that when we got Frank Clark the highlights people would be talking about would be him getting double teamed. That's really disappointing so far.

We're 3 games into a COMPLETE overhaul. You don't think it's just a tad premature?

And when I referenced CP's collective "emotional growth" I'm talking about the fact that we've literally gotten everything we wanted over the past 3 years or so and still can't just be happy for a while.

We all wanted Bob gone. He's gone.

We all wanted a new scheme. 3-4 gone, 4-3 in.

We all wanted new players. They did that not only at the bottom of the roster but at the TOP of the roster too.

They were aggressive about the whole approach - it's exactly what we all wanted.

But now 3 games - check that, 3 WINS - into the season, it's not enough because we're not willing to wait and let them actually implement the changes.

Well this is overreaction planet, we have to have some things to bitch about even being the best team in the NFL.

I took back my vitriol of Frank Clark. Long ago in this thread. I shouldn't have said he ****ing sucks. That's not posting-and-running like you're suggesting. That's getting worked up on gameday, watching him have a bad play, getting frustrated by losing to Oakland 10-0, accounting for the lack of plays he made against backup tackles in Jacksonville, and then turning it into a hate-filled "he ****ing sucks" assessment. Then regretting it.

Here's just one more thing. We all saw him ruin Fisher's shit when the Seahawks played us last year. Lots of things went wrong for the Chiefs against Seattle, but one of those things was Frank Clark blowing shit up and making life difficult for Mahomes all game.

That's who I thought we were getting. And he sure as **** didn't look like that in Jacksonville. Or in the 1st quarter against Oakland.

Yeah, he's got time, but I'm saying we paid him to do THAT in football games. Games. Plural. He should have a few of those this season. If he just keeps "doing his job" like he is now, then we got royally ****ed.

Honestly, I wasn't talking specifically about you either, since I just jumped in today. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to be mean about it. At least you're able to admit that it was a "heat of the moment" thing and move on. We should all be more willing to do that, myself included.

The thread title does suck, though. ;)

Clark did fairly good on this play, also DIRTY DAN!!!

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I can evaluate his play in the 3 games. Its not like I said he's going to be shitty the whole season.

Yet you're already talking about having "doubt" about the playoffs. No, you didn't say he would be bad the whole season but by framing your argument that way, you're certainly suggesting you believe he will be or you wouldn't have that doubt. Right?

Yes, doubts can change. If Clark starts playing up to hiss pay level and the rest of the defense figures shit out, then my doubts will go away. But I won't pretend that the defense/Clark is playing well now when it isn't.

You're right. New team, new defense...he should be all-world by now.

Nnadi made that play.

With all due respect, no he didn't.

When Clark sliced under the second block and swept Lamar's feet out from under him, even pulling him back a bit, the play was over. You can't run forward if your feet are both off the ground, last time I checked.

It was great team defense, propelled by some great individual efforts.

Nnadi finished it but Clark made it happen. As arguably Nnadi's biggest supporter and one of Clark's loudest critics, credit where it's due.

That was probably (definitely) Clark's best play as a Chief thus far.

I thought the difference between Clark and Ford really showed up this game.

Clark is an excellent football player who is adjusting to a new city, new team, new teammates, and a new scheme. Yeah, I think even Clark would admit that he has not played his best ball yet. BUT, the guy has some tremendous physical abilities along with a non-stop motor. It’s hard to imagine that with these traits, he’s going to continue to struggle.

The least of my concerns about this team is Frank Clark. The guy is going to hit his stride soon; and when he does, he’s gonna beast. I like problems like this.

The fact that you have to go to these extremes is so stupid. Is asking them to keep teams from under 6ypc too much to ask? Are we the only team that has new players and new coaches? Is Frank Clark the only defensive player who gets doubled and chipped? The excuses you guys are making are so stupid.

The Ravens are averaging 206+ yards a game rushing. They are the best rushing team in the NFL. They have a QB that can run with the best of them and make you pay. There is only so much you can defend. I personally believe the run defense suffered a bit at the expense of containing Jackson and forcing him to be a passer.

Outside of 2 fluke plays, yes I know, I know, they count.....outside of 2 completely flukey plays it was a blow out.

The Jags got 1 if not 2 complete garbage TD's in the season opener at their house in 110+ degree weather.

The Raiders got all of 10 points in their house after man-handling a Denver defense

The Ravens game was a blow out save 2 hail Mary's which is better than the defense did against the Ravens last year.

I'm not really sure what you expect from him? Even players like Donald and Mack aren't lighting it up as they usually do and they are in the same defense they played in last year on the same teams they played on last year.

You need to just chill out....