Mahomes. It’s not even close. The only reason people say he could be better is to create conversation about the quarterback topic. Everyone knows all 32 teams would take mahomes first if every team was drafting from scratch.

Allen has a half a yard better YPC average and significantly more red zone carries.

Of course Allen has more TD's, he gets a lot more opportunities.

When Mahomes runs, it's almost always a big play. A big first down, a TD on 3rd and long.

He's surgical.

There's no comparison between him and Allen. Allen is big and runs hard. Patrick Mahomes is infinitely more clutch.

We should worry that the Chiefs' check took so long to clear the bank

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I'm sure that takes into account the (assumed) insanely high percentage of Mahomes' runs that go for a 1st down. He is extremely cerebral, and I don't get that same vibe from Allen.

But sometimes you've gotta include the ol' eye test too. Allen is bigger, stronger, faster, and has most volume and efficiency stats on his side. Mahomes is quicker and has a higher football IQ.

Right, and I think that speaks to how dangerous Allen is as a runner.

Averaging a half a yard more per carry is a big deal.

You made my point in your first two paragraphs. ;)

Yes, I think that metric attempts to focus on how impactful each run might be. Mahomes is pretty clutch and smart. Picks and chooses the right moments to kill a defense with his legs, but 99% of the time he would prefer to throw it.

Exactly.

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How? Allen is superior in nearly every way we'd measure them.

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Time to lock this thread and send it to the Hall of Shame.

Let’s put this thread to rest. Josh Allen is a complete bitch and a limited QB.

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I have a ton of respect for Josh allen. It's just unfair to him that anyone even tiptoed around putting him in the same stratosphere as mahomes.

Oh you

Mahomes wasn't even healthy for this game (turf toe), and he's clearly the better QB...especially under playoff pressure.

Bills fans now want to dump Josh Allen for Watson LMAO

Link: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...-for-d-watson/

Mahomes got to KILL_SCREEN_ level in tonight's game

Josh Allen is pretty ****ing good.

He's no Mahomes and the Bills are not as good as the Chiefs.

Hahaha **** the bills!

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Their stats were very similar this year. Allen is obviously the better rusher, but Mahomes is fairly good at that too

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...A/AlleJo02.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MahoPa00.htm

No Josh Allen slander will be tolerated. The man is a ****ing beast. Outside of Rodgers and Mahomes, he is my favorite QB to watch.

That said, I hope we grind him into paste this weekend.

See how Josh does with a first place schedule next year, again.

Not so hot this year.

I'm more concerned with Burrow than Allen. Burrow is getting the Brady treatment throw it downfield and get a flag only difference is he's not expecting to get a PI like Tom does.

If I only casually followed the NFL and didn't root for a team, Lamar is pretty fun to watch when he is having a good game.

Josh Allen is 3-2 in playoff Games
Patrick Mahomes is 7-2

Josh Allen has been to one AFCCG and lost to Patrick Mahomes
Patrick Mahomes has been to 3 and only lost one not vs Josh Allen

Josh Allen has never won an NFL MVP
Patrick Mahomes has won an NFL MVP

Josh Allen has never won a Superbowl MVP
Patrick Mahomes has won a Superbowl MVP

Josh Allen has never been to or won a SB
Patrick Mahomes has been to 2 and won one.

Until little buddy Joshy does anything about it then there really isn't a discussion worth putting him next to Mahomes name, not even on a CP message board.

He will have his chance this week. Until then....

I choose our guy 1,000,000 times out of 1,000,000.

Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes?
 

Lamar is fun as hell to watch when he's on. I've said it before, but I think he's the most gifted natural runner I've ever seen. And I watched Jamaal Charles so that's high praise.

Allen is a ton of fun as well. I love Joe Burrow aka Joe Brrrr aka Joe Sheisty. Herbert is fun to watch even though I hate his organization.

Outside of those guys along with Mahomes and Rodgers, I really don't care too much to watch other QBs. Maybe Russell Wilson when he's on, but he spends too much time not being on.

Allen at peak form is as good as Mahomes in peak form. He really is capable of being an absolute fire breathing monster out there.

But Allen completed 63% of his attempts this year w/ an AY/A of 6.9. He wasn't out there rocking an average completion% because of high degree of difficulty throws or poor weaponry. He's just mechanically inconsistent because he's a giant human being who doesn't have the preternatural biomechanics that allow him to repeat his delivery throw after throw after throw.

There are times when Allen will get a clean look and just...miss. And they happen quite a bit more often than w/ Mahomes. Additionally, sometimes he just crosses his wires and plays like an idiot for an entire half. Josh Allen, far more frequently than Mahomes, is sometimes the REASON the Bills offense struggles.

Mahomes has been that guy twice in his career. Allen does it every handful of games. He's just not as consistent a player as PMII and I don't think he ever can be. Accuracy is as ingrained as arm strength in a lot of ways - you have it or you don't. And when the league adjusted a bit to Allen (as it did to Mahomes) his completion% fell off biggly this year over last.

And none of this is to shit on Allen - he's the second guy in the league I'd take in a draft. I like the kid a ton. But Allen has to be more 'on' to be excellent and when he isn't, his mediocre/bad days are worse than PMs mediocre/bad days are. His baseline is just slightly lower.

But when he's locked in, he's capable of going shot for shot with Patrick even if Patrick is also in a groove. The guy is damn talented.

Media puts QB vs QB like that's the match up. It's completely stupid since they are not actually playing each other in a game of tennis. The real match ups are Mahomes playing the Bills defense and Allen playing the KC defense.

Both QB's are pretty even in ability so this game will be won or lost at the LOS and by defense. Pats could not pressure Allen at all and if we do the same he will torch us and us them.

I think this game is more about whose defense gets the stops when they need one and the turnovers.

Mahomes has the experience over Allen. Allen is very hungry and plays with anger. His legs are better when takes off and they use him like a weapon on designed runs.

Gotta give it up to Allen. He’s nearly Mahomes equal now if not the same.

Allen is great, there's no doubt. But he was also facing a defense that is nowhere near the Bills' caliber. Mahomes outplayed him.

Wut?

No.

I have a feeling we will be seeing quite a few postseason matchups with these two QBs in the next 10 years. The new Brady-Manning

His receivers may have been wide ****ing open, but, yes, he had to get the ball to them. I will certainly give him that.

If we were allowed to field competent safeties, I doubt the outcome would have been the same.

13 seconds. Against the #1 ranked NFL defense.

Nah, it ain't Allen.

Josh Allen finally climbed the hill to being elite. Tip of the hat.

Great game by Josh.

But the monkey is getting bigger on his back after getting bounced by Mahomes twice in a row.

Allen is a hell of a player.. but he’s no Patrick Mahomes.

We all tried to think of a witty nickname for Patrick but Reid did it Mahomes' official nickname is " The Reaper"

Allen is a hell of a player, no doubt. He put on a really great performance tonight. But I think Patrick had to go against the tougher defense tonight. His kicker also cost him 4 points on missed kicks. Overall, I agree with ESPN's QBR grades of 96/100 for Mahomes and 90/100 for Allen tonight. Both of them were awesome, but Mahomes was slightly better.

Time to resurrect an old war horse.

Thoughts?

Patrick Mahomes is like a fine-tuned Japanese bidet surgically firing a jetstream at a carefully bleached and waxed French runway model’s butthole.

Josh Allen sprays hot battery acid at a diarrhea-encrusted rectal wart.

Looks it's time to resurrect the ban hammer.

In all honesty, since this thread has started , Allen has become Mahomes equal as far as performance. If the QBs switched teams , the Chiefs would have some titles but so would the Bills.

By that logic, wouldn’t that make them not equals?

Yeah I was impressed by Josh Allen's 2 league MVPs and 3 Superbowl MVPs.

Playing to break the tie next weekend huh.

Oh wait.

No.

They're not equals, because in the 3 meetings that mattered, Patrick Mahomes has sent Josh Allen home every single time.

Idiot poster bumping an idiotic question...

Thoughts like these are why you got banned?

If Josh Allen were the QB of my favorite team, I'd kill myself!!!

I went to the AFCCG when Eric Fisher blew out his knee. We won but then lost SB to Tampa Bay.

ANYWAY, on the way into the stadium, I saw some Bills fans. We were giving each other shit good-naturedly. He said that he thought Allen was just as good as Mahomes. I stopped and looked him. “Are you truly serious? Not just wish-ful fan homerism but do you really think so?” “Yes,” he replied. “Why?” I told him I thought he was delusional and the next few years would show just how much better Mahomes was than not just Allen but any other QB in the league. I admitted Allen was a really good QB and if I had him as my QB, I’d be glad I didn’t have Gardner Minshew (although it might have been a different QB. Maybe Gardner wasn’t in the league at the time. It’s been a long time and I might or might not have been drinking such that my memory is affected.) He didn’t back down.

While I think Allen is definitely a great QB, he’s not better than Mahomes. The intervening years have shown that. In another universe, Mahomes is playing for some other team, we have Allen, and we are all lamenting that now having the second best QB in the league is the Chiefiest thing ever.

Fortunately, we don’t live in that universe. So to the rest of the NFL, I say, with all the respect I can muster, “Your team might have a good QB. Your team might have a great QB. But your team doesn’t have Patrick Mahomes. So you can suck it.”

In all honesty, it doesn't matter anymore because Patrick is in a tier that no one can reach Mahomes has both the physical and intangible attributes. Josh is still trying to prove himself while Patrick is a 1st ballot HOFer that's in his prime.

I think what is missed most often is that Mahomes is a complete individual. Not only is he great on the football field, but he's great in how he lives his life, how he conducts himself, and what type of teammate he is.

I meam look at the Kareem Hunt sistation. Clark was done with him. Pat mantains a relationship, invites him to his wedding, do you really think he makes it back to KC if it were not for Pat? I don't.

People bitch about Britney, but she perfect too. I love the fact that he's not out dating famosu people and is instead rasing a family/ I watched the Aaron Rogers netfix show and felt bad for the guy. He's searching for a purpose, so successful, yet empty. That's not the case with Pat, he's living a well rounded fulfilling life. By the way, having a wife that is into fitness is also great, for your star QB. Again, its the total lifesyle that is in sync with his career.

Frankly, that's a major reason why he's sucessful.

And then there is the Brady like shit. Both these guys know exactly what it takes to win, because they have done it, and until you have done it, you're always chasing it.

Yeah Patrick has always been super mature beyond his years.

You generate burst.

Got lots of respect for josh Allen. Great player and seems like a super cool, chill dude. His only flaw is he can’t beat Mahomes. If he was in the nfc he would have made the Super Bowl by now if not several.

Allen is the second best QB in the league and I dont think 3rd is really even close. If Mahomes wins again this weekend will Bills fans give the Allen is better than Mahomes talk a rest? If Mahomes wins the next two games and balls out in the SB..

2nd most playoff wins EVER from QB (29 years old)
7 consecutive AFCCG
5 Super Bowl Appearances
4 x SB Champion
4 x SB MVP
2 x regular season MVP

What has Josh Allen done? Please list his accomplishments. He sure throws the ball hard and runs fast for a quarterback though. I will admit at times it is impressive. Mahomes is the best postseason QB in literally every.single.meaningful.statistic. The bigger the game, the better he plays. How quickly Bills fans forget that. You weren't impressed by our offense this year? Good. That isnt the offense you will see on Sunday.

Josh has the physical skills to be as good as Patrick, what I believe separates them is the mental ability to think under pressure and make the right decision. Not that josh is less intelligent, some people have the ability to act calm under pressure. Similar to a driver who simply slams on the brakes in a critical situation instead of steering around the problem if that is the correct course of action. The problem is that the initial action is taken before there's time to consider if it's the right thing to do. And if you are on a slick surface, the decision puts you on a path that you can't change.

If the Chiefs had drafted Josh Allen, which is a crazy idea since they already gave up their draft pick the prior year for Patrick, I believe the Chiefs would have won the first SuperBowl where the big plays played big part. Since then, the Chiefs have become a much more methodical offense and I'm not convinced the Josh would be as successful at that.

It really is all these intangibles that sets mahomes apart in a league where we’ve been blessed with some really good QBs. As great as Mahomes is physically what used to set him apart doesn’t as much anymore. He’s elusive… enough. Lots of other guys with a rocket arm and off platform shit. He just has a mental edge both as a leader AND a teammate.

And josh Allen is a perfect example of how hidden Mahomes’ talent is. Because Allen has all these things too. Mahomes is just better in ways that are hard to describe. Casuals still want to see mahomes highlight reel and miss that he’s got this MJ mentality to back it up.

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Well said. Exactly.

Allen is going to win one eventually. Just like Peyton did.

No, he’s not.

Mahomes first game was against horses in Denver. Josh's first time was with horses in Wyoming

In terms of purely physical attributes Josh Allen is the best qb in the league.

Mahomes, in addition to otherworldly talent (really the only thing Allen has on him physically IMO is size - Mahomes can't truck dudes the way Josh can) is a gamer & to date the most clutch qb of all time, to the point the man is his own statistical anomaly, a fact that cannot be overstated. Combining that with his enormous physical abilities & leadership traits (perhaps the most underrated aspect of his game) he is easily the best player in the league.

#3 is Burrow & he's not close to #2.

Mahomes has the better head coach & dc. McDermott seems like a fine coach but no one's confusing him for an all timer. One of these years Buffalo is going to get us but you'll never go broke betting on the Chiefs as long as the hc, front office, dc, & qb remain the same & I'm not doing it this week either.

Tell that to Malik Mustapha.

I never said Allen is not elite. I said he is the 2ne best QB in the league...by far. He is elite. Mahomes and Allen are in a league of their own currently.

What is ludicrous is the fact Bills fans claim Allen is the better QB. I simply pointed out the fact the what SEPARATES Mahomes from Allen. If Mahomes wins his next two games...the below is thr second most accomplished career the game has ever seen. Mahomes is 29 years old.

7 consecutive conference title games.
5 Super Bowl appearances
4 x Super Bowl Champion
4 x Super Bowl MVP
2 x Regular Season MVP
Only team to ever 3 peat
QB of the greatest dynasty the league has ever known..

Again, win the next two games and that is the story. Excuse me if I find it utterly freaking ridiculous to claim Allen is the better QB.

Allen had poor decision making on that last drive and had a couple turnovers in the missed FG game. And if Bass makes it, it only ties the game, and Mahomes still has plenty of time to Mahomes the Bills in the ass yet again.

That game wasn't all Allen's fault, but I'd actually place more blame on Allen than on their idiot kicker.

Oh yeah, without question Mahomes is the better qb. I agree.

Claiming Allen to be the better QB and having a better record against us in the regular season is all they have to cling to. They might actually believe Allen is better, but every single one of them would prefer to have Mahomes' accomplishments more.

Mahomes has competitive greatness on a level that is unmatched. It raises everyone around him. Mahomes is what you get when the competitive greatness is also matched by elite talent.

Sure but you’re talking about a few mistakes here and there in two performances where the chiefs demanded perfection. We obliterated their defense. And yet in the grand scheme he was a fart away from bringing both games to OT. It’s like getting on Jalen hurts for one fumble in the Super Bowl even though he put up an absurd 35 points.

For the past few years after the highlight reels went away our measure of Mahomes’ greatness is that he finds ways to win games. But part of that also means after a bad performance, mecole hardman finds a way to not **** up in a huge moment. Toney/skyy take their heads out of their asses for a quick moment. We can blame Lamar all we want, but isnt that mecole TD pass mostly the same pass that Andrews dropped? How many misses like bass’s can we remember from playoff butker? I can’t fault a qb when on the very very last possession he does exactly what he was supposed to do and his teammate flubs a layup. Bass can’t miss that kick. Buffalos defense can’t give up a score in 13 seconds. Regardless of how Allen played all game he set it up on a tee and professionals swung and missed.

In the final drive last year, Josh Allen got away with 2 turnover worthy plays before the missed field goal. Allen fumbled and a Chief failed to recover it. Allen threw an interception ball and two Chiefs ran into each other, preventing the interception. Josh also made a poor choice to go for the end zone instead of a wide open short pass that would have kept the drive going. Allen was bailed out by Tyler Bass catching hell for missing the field goal. The truth is Josh messed up on that final drive.

Playoff stats:

Lamar Jackson: 12 total TD, 11 turnovers
Josh Allen: 30 total TD, 6 turnovers
Pat Mahomes: 47 total TD, 9 turnovers

Undoubtedly number 2 to Patrick. Only thing standing in Allen’s way is Mahomes. Sucks for him but it’s more than fine to say that he is who you want if you were any other team playing the Chiefs and had the choice.