Doesn't mean squat? It's over 20 years of data.

And Reid's teams have spent multiple 1s on CBs and interior OL so that's wrong. Peters, Watkins, Sheppard, Andrews. Plus we have this quote which remains just as relevant.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/19/nf...-jenny-vrentas

They may take an off ball LB at 32 because I don't expect them to have rigid rules to never do it but there's going to be a ton of good players available at other positions we know he and Veach have shown to value highly. It seems more like a team building philosophy to me and I personally dont think it should be discounted.

Biggest hole on the roster right now. We literally don’t have a starter there. Just not sure we can afford to wait too long.

Most of the quality LB’s could be gone by the time we pick in rd 3.

Also, we had Derrick Johnson for a good chunk of Reid’s tenure.

That could have something to do with it....

Eason, maybe.

Love needs a more balls/bust setup, IMO. Precision passing offenses are bad for guys w/ erratic arms because you get all the risk of an errant pass but little of the reward that comes w/ the big arm.

That's why Brees is a perfect fit in NO but may not have worked as well elsewhere.

Love is a LETTER perfect fit for Arians in TB. A deep pass is just as likely to be inaccurate as a short pass with a guy like that but an accurate one yields a lot more benefit (and the detriment of a deep interception is less than a short one). Love needs a downfield passing offense w/ guys with ball skills like Evans and Godwin.

I know 2 years is awhile to wait but he needs at least 1 year of seasoning before he's remotely ready to contribute. In year 2 he could be a viable backup and by year 3 Brady will be retired and Love can step in as the starter. They'll have him under team control for 3 seasons after that.

Now - there's no way that'll happen. Brady would have kittens if he showed up to a team that immediately used their best asset on his replacement instead of someone that can help him in his last ride. And 14 is too early anyway and it's damn dangerous to risk a trade-back into the late 20s because you think Love will fall...only to see him potentially not fall.

But if they used that 45 and maybe a 2 next year or this year's 3rd (76) they can maybe get into range.

So lets say TB uses 14 on Wills or Thomas to protect Brady then use this year's 2 and next year's 2 (which won't provide an immediate benefit to TB12 anyway) to get into range for Love - well that might actually make some sense.

I think people like pugs make the Love/Saints connections because of their love for Mahomes in 2017.

They just missed out at 11, so even if Love isn’t Mahomes, maybe they can’t resist if Love falls into their lap at 24.

Inherited and what have they done at the position since he left? Hitchens was a FA.

And what about in Philly? They basically had shit at LB his entire tenure and it was revolving door every year. Hard to sell that all of this history is a coincidence.

Right now Niemann is the starting LB. he did ball out in the super bowl tho

On roster:

Darius Harris
Anthony Hitchens
Ben Niemann
Dorian O’Daniel
Emmanuel Smith (PS)
Damien Wilson

Gone:

Reggie Ragland
Darron Lee

- I would not be shocked if the Chiefs come away from the draft with multiple linebackers especially if you include undrafted free agents. Spagnuolo had his hands full trying to fit square pegs in round holes last year, when it became evident that there was not a reliable Will linebacker on the roster, and Damien Wilson had to be moved around. The Darron Lee acquisition was fruitless and although he had a better 2019, Anthony Hitchens still needs to be more consistent given the amount of resources he uses up on the cap.

Depending on the personnel that the Chiefs faced, Ragland sometimes did not see many snaps as he is limited in what he can do in a scheme, but everybody knew he was always a thumper and with him leaving, one could argue that the Chiefs might be looking forward to not only finding a true Will linebacker, but preparing for the future to get a true Mike linebacker in the shuffle as well. I am not confident the Chiefs will bring back Hitchens at a double digit salary per annum.

Some are suggesting that the Chiefs might go with a higher rated safety/hybrid prospect to take on that coverage linebacker role, and I think this might be wise in that you don’t want the Chiefs chasing a specific type of role player at linebacker and having to reach for a guy, when there is greater talent available when you pick, let alone considering how few picks the Chiefs have.

Guys like Malik Harrison and Jordyn Brooks project to be damn good linebackers as pros and it would be a shame to snub them for the sake of chasing a certain scheme fit type of backer that arguably is a lesser athlete. I would not be shocked if the Chiefs draft more of a Mike type run thumper/blitzer and maybe dip into the DB class and look at some of the hybrid safety types to hedge against coverage concerns.

Yep, plus we know this is Brees’ final year.

Not saying Love is Mahomes or even close — but the playing styles are closer than other QBs in this class.

Sorensen is essentially a coverage backer at this point.

I think they really really like Taysom Hill for whatever reason. I don't see the Saints taking a QB.

I think Payton loved Mahomes because he saw what Reid saw - a prodigy.

I don't think it was the high-flying play-maker appeal that Payton to Mahomes, it was the potential to be the baddest MFer on the planet.

Even the biggest supporters of Love have to recognize that his upside isn't Mahomes - it's Jay Cutler. It might eventually someday become Matthew Stafford. And you can win with that. But I don't think that's ultimately the kind of QB that actually appeals to Payton.

There are some weird reports out there that Jordyn Brooks could be the first LB taken after Simmons if you buy into "team chatter" reports.

Yeah I’m leaning towards Dobbins too. He would be an amazing addition to this offense. It wouldn’t even be fair to defenses.


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Jeremiah Trotter, he was pretty damn good.

Also this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If AJ Terrell is available. Several teams in the top-16 picks have their eyes on the Clemson CB.<br><br>Terrell is going to go higher than most think. <a href="https://t.co/3Y6x7cWZtn">https://t.co/3Y6x7cWZtn</a></p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1251193636647309312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eagles are exploring trading up for what many believe to be Cee Dee Lamb.
Falcons want to trade up for what many believe to be CJ Henderson.

Oh and there’s a lot of talk about Tua sliding. I could see him fall out of the top 15.

The only thing I believe 100% is that it’s gonna be defense, beyond that there’s just waaay too many variables at play for me to take a stab at it

I've seen chatter that CJ Henderson is going to go ahead of Okudah.

Inherited from Ray Rhodes. Similar situation to DJ here.

That doesn't change much. It just means they already had a hell of a player so they didn't need to draft as much there.

Yea those are strange.

I think someone had posted a bit more of a detailed list than what is below in the link, but this is a report from the draft network just before the combine about the medical red flags on some prospects. If anybody can find a more updated or detailed list, I’d appreciate a post!

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...jury-red-flags

Some people think Kinlaws stuff is really bad like he's going to drop significantly because of it.

I was curious, so I looked up Andy Reid's draft history when it comes to LBs.

His Philly history with LBs looks bad at first, but consider the draft batting percentage of some of the game's best GMs. Then think about their percentages of finding quality players in the later rounds. This is probably right in line with the average if we're just isolating one position.

He drafted one solid franchise cornerstone player (Trent Cole). He drafted few guys who started multiple seasons and were all-around valuable players (Omar Gaither, Stewart Bradley, Mychal Kendricks). The rest were kind of crap, or at least they didn't do anything of note for the Eagles.

Also, lol at all the former Chiefs on this list. Quinton Caver. Man, I remember when we were so desperate for good defense during the Vermeil days we were splooging over picking up a 2nd round pick that was cut early. "Hey, it can't get any worse" was a rather exciting justification for a lot of our personnel moves back then.

1999: Barry Gardner (2nd round)
2001: Quinton Caver (2nd round)
2002: Tyreo Harrison (6th round)
2005: Matt McCoy (2nd round) Trent Cole (5th round) David Bergeron (7th round)
2006: Chris Gocong (3rd round) Omar Gaither (5th round)
2007: Stewart Bradley (3rd round)
2008: Bryan Smith (3rd round) Joe Mays (6th round) Andy Studebaker (6th round)
2009: Moise Fokou (7th round)
2010: Keenan Clayton (4th round) Ricky Sapp (5th round) Jamar Cheney (7th round)
2011: Casey Matthews (4th round) Brian Rolle (6th round) Greg Lloyd Jr (7th round)
2012: Mychal Kendricks (2nd round)

I probably don't need to post his Chiefs draft history. Ya'll can figure that one out yourselves.

Guy would've been an easy 1st rounder a decade ago.

And I still like him - he might be the best LB in this draft on 1st and 2nd downs. But he's being stretched quite a bit if you're leaving him out there on passing downs.

I don't think he'll be a Ragland style liability in coverage on 1st and 2nd down though. He'll be...fine. Not good, but not a complete disaster. And he's a really powerful downhill backer - something very few other guys in this class can say.

He's different than many of the guys we are putting ahead of him, for sure. But he has some real strengths of his own.

But really what that report would tell me is that few people see any of these LBs going in the 1st and maybe not even the 2nd. That may be as much of an indictment on the other guys as it is strong support of Brooks.

With a 13 Wonderlic score, it will be surprising if he doesn't drop to the bottom of the 1st.

Woof. That's bordering on Vince Young territory

I was told the Wonderlic doesn’t matter for QB’s by Bronco fans.

About Paxton Lynch.

I’m sure that’s not why he failed though...

From Matt Miller:

Also noted Temple IOL Matt Hennessy is a riser. Top of the 2nd rd buzz

Everything I’m reading is indicating a run on LB’s in the 2nd rd. Definitely sounds like there won’t be a player left who can start this year.

Logan Wilson, Troy Dye, Davion Taylor, Justin Strnad etc.

There are plenty of coverage LB’s in this draft. Veach said it himself.

Also from Matt Miller on Delpit. Yikes. Also saw a tweet that this dude got his asshole roasted by Duvernay in the Texas game.

Interesting. Would expect Gay to move upwards in projection then, too. I won’t hate it if KC takes him at 32.

Yikes. One guy said one thing. :rolleyes:

I have zero problem at all taking any LB who the FO feels can be a legitimate full-time player at 32. I feel that the value of the position has skyrocketed in recent years with the way offenses are stretching the field through college style concepts, and the way they use these TE/H-Back players in general.

No defender has to react to more stimuli on the field than the linebacker right now. Truthfully, had we lost in the Super Bowl or prior, our deficiencies at that position would have been in the top 2 or so reasons for it.

I'm torn between taking a guy like Hennessy to protect the franchise or a playmaking linebacker to bolster the defense.

Better not draft Patrick Mahomes. Cian Fahey said he was uncoachable and has too many things he needs to fix in order to play QB in the NFL

Could be wrong but I don’t think Wilson or Taylor make it to our 3rd rd pick. Those guys have ability and athleticism. Would love each one.

Dye is very intelligent but his frame is so lanky and skinny. I worry about him against the run.

Yeah, but he's not exactly wrong though on Delpit. Dude really didn't have a great season, which is why we're talking about him as a possible option at 32.

Wilson maybe, but Taylor? Doubtful.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who will the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> take on draft night? ��(by <a href="https://twitter.com/oakley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oakley</a>) <a href="https://t.co/K1XXbk3IZ0">pic.twitter.com/K1XXbk3IZ0</a></p>&mdash; NFL Network (@nflnetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1251246554805080064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even picking at the very end of each round, we should still be able to get a top 3 player of a position of need.

To get a difference maker starter on a championship team is awesome and exciting.

I can’t freaking wait

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Tayor ends up being the best RB in this class. 220's, 4.39 speed, slips tackles well, and really good vision.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiple players had drug tests flagged at the NFL Combine &amp; among those is projected top 10 pick <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Louisville?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Louisville</a> OT Mekhi Becton, I’m told. Teams were made aware of this. Becton had no failed drug tests in college. Per new CBA rules, he goes into Stage 1 for no more than 60 days.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1251315257097596928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I know Dane's going to tell me I'm ****ing stupid but I really doubt that all of the first tier of RB's will all be gone by #63.

I think it's likely that Dobbins, Helaire and Akers might ALL be there.

I have a strong feeling that it would be either Ruiz or Gladney. I would be perfectly fine with either one.

My true opinion if they love a player it's most likely a LB and Veach is going trade for one.which means Brett is going to use next year's draft capital, if they like certain group of a position it'll be the best RB available. In the 2nd round.


Ultimately,If they stay at the 32 spot it'll be the Chiefs pick of the litter RB

I change my pick.

Patrick Queen. Damien Williams is a post season juggernaut and we dont have to go RB with our #1. LB'er on the other hand truly is in short supply. Hitchens and Wilson are fine but we have virtually no depth with Ragland gone. And we need another for double TE power run teams like our biggest AFC rival, BAL. Not to mention the Honey Badger would love it and take him under his wing.

Welcome aboard the Patrick Queen camp :)

So what's the chances of him actually being there? If teams are reaching for offensive fire power to close the gap with the Chiefs then MAYBE we have a shot.

He’s mocked to the Ravens at #28 but Veach and tons of other reporters have said there will be players available at #32 where you thought they wouldn’t still be there

ALL is probably a stretch, but I think it's a good bet to think one of them will be there.

I'm going out on a limb and to say the Chiefs will pick a player of Veach choice and Andy Reid blessings that will be of service in Super Bowl LV


God Bless this young man.

First off, spending the Chiefs first round pick on "depth" is an atrocious use of valuable resources. Whomever is taken at #32 needs to be a Day One starter and make an immediate impact.

Secondly, Damien Williams will be 28 years old before the season begins. He's never been healthy enough to play in all 16 games, not for the Chiefs, not for Miami and even in college, where he was also injured. He's an above average RB when healthy but his history says he'll never be healthy or reliable. The guys on the roster behind him are JAGs at the very best.

The Chiefs must and will upgrade their running back position but whether they do it at 32, 63, 96 or somewhere in between, is the question.

I have no idea how the draft will fall, especially considering that teams haven't been able to give physicals to guys with prior injury issues, but considering none of the top four running backs have any serious history of injuries, I think it's a pretty good bet that at least 3 of them will be gone by #63.

If all three out of the four of them are there, that would be an amazing feat of luck for the Chiefs, which would enable them to move back a few spots to add at least one Day 3 pick, unless they were the team to take the one that's not there.

Queen would be starting in this defense

Being the third LB'er in a 4-3 is starting if you're playing a team that loves double TE sets. It wouldn't take long for him to start splitting reps with Wison.

Only a few players in this draft would have a remote chance of starting day 1 for this team. Chase Young would be one and the other would have to be a man child of a LG. Our team is that good and returning 20 of 22 starters.

:facepalm:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wonderlic scores!<br><br>Good news for Tua is Lamar Jackson also scored a 13 and he’s doing just fine <a href="https://t.co/fFyy1aV7ng">pic.twitter.com/fFyy1aV7ng</a></p>&mdash; Going Deep Podcast (@goingdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/goingdeep/status/1251331060056588290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not wrong. Day 1 means first snap of the season. With 20 of 22 starters returning, those are your starters.

My first round big board for #32, what you think?

McKinney DB
Queen ILB
Swift RB
Gladney CB
Ruiz OG
Johnson CB
Fulton CB
Madubuike DT
Diggs CB

I’m liking Ruiz more and more.

I’d love Queen or Murray, but Ruiz might be the smart pick.

:shake:

Ok then. It's hard to please everyone I guess. :D

I'd swap McKinney and Queen and get fulton above Johnson and Ruiz. But otherwise like the names.

I'd also add J.K. Dobbins to it and place him above Johnson and Diggs, and drop Madubuike.

So would Dobbins, and protecting Mahomes is the priority. Look what Mahomes did with a piss poor Chiefs defense in 2018. Sutton calling the plays, and the only reason KC was in it because Mahomes had to turn into Superman in the 2nd half.

Patrick almost won the game singlehandley. carrying the team, Mahomes was hamstrung dealing with a shitty defense, and no running game.


Being honest Reid didn't have a contingency plan when Fisher got bullied into Patrick and injuring him.The absently effective running attack eliminated the ability to help Mahomes to aleveate the workload because he didn't trust Damien, McCoy, and Darel to do so.

during this period Fisher also being injured and out multiple games the ass****ing continued because Erving got bulled and stepped on Patrick's very same injured left ankle.

The compounded issue was most prevalent during Patrick's " freak injury" on the sneak against the Broncos. No ****ing excuses that shit wouldn't have happened if Kareem was still on the team.

Reid didn't have a running game which spurred Kelce's " if you think we'll pass we will. If think we're going to run we'll pass" quote

It's ****ing said when you broadcast this too the whole league the Chiefs running game is FUBAR.

Some good points here in support of RB, but reading through your post make me worried about 4/5ths of our OL.

We love these kinds of drops due to failed tests in KC, what you guys think would we take him if he fell to us?

Eric Fisher worth anything in a trade?

I don't have a clue!

Jones isn’t getting traded

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Names to keep an eye on as trade candidates during draft week: <br>* Yannick Ngakoue<br>* Leonard Fournette<br>* Jamal Adams<br>* Trent Williams<br>* Anthony Harris <a href="https://t.co/i0nNAoLseU">https://t.co/i0nNAoLseU</a></p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1251629358613172224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I doubt Becton falls out of the first round but if he’s there you turn in the card ASAP. Dude is a stud

This was the essential point I made to Seth Keysor's followers before the news that KC was interviewing top prospects multiple times after I was flamed for just mentioning the possibility now Seth has me on mute.

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The pieces fit

we could use an upgrade at RB.

If we try to go with Reiter, Wylie, and LDT again it's going to bite us in the ass.

If you're counting on Rankin to be an upgrade, well, let's pray.

That will not be enough.

I hear'ya

Rankin was an upgrade but he was playing next to Cam Irving, not Eric Fisher, so it'll be interesting to see how he does in preseason.

Also, keep in mind that the roster has increased to 58, while the Practice Squad increased from 10 to 14, which can now include veterans.

I'm sure that Reid will have a few more offensive lineman on the roster to develop and they'll most certainly sign some UDFA's to add to the PS as well.

Starting to realize you're right and it was wishful thinking on my part to think we'll have any chance at Queen at #32. Probably ran too many draft simulators that told me otherwise. The more I watch the guy I just don't see any way he doesn't go between 15 and 25-ish. He just jumps off tape, really dynamic player.

Veach suggested that a lot of players people think will go in the first will slide didn't he?

Early in the 1st.

Meaning he thinks there will be an unexpected player or two sitting there at 32 for a potential trade down or to select.

I'm beginning to think Delpit somehow falls to 32 and we take him.