Need to extend Gay too

He played good football.

Thornhill is very aggressive. But I love the thump that he brings. He made some very good plays tonight too.

Yes, him too.

Hell, even Watson wasn't awful. He gave up a lot of yards but he was usually in pretty good position. Williams is just a beast and Brady has perfect placement.


Edit: Mike Evans, not Williams.

The cool thing with Sneed is hes had a horrific life and upbringing. And he has a cool head, works hard and knows the company he should keep. Great head on his shoulders. Most people would have gotten lost on the way. Great and sad story.

For a rookie 7th round CB pick, playing in place of a rookie 1st round pick? Covering the players he saw tonight? Watson was great considering.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">L&#39;Jarius Sneed WANTED to play more on the outside against the Chargers and he played the most snaps on the outside than he has all season (23) I&#39;ve got Sneed outside coverage snaps for you today! He was strapping everyone up <a href="https://t.co/BxzKtrHCyJ">pic.twitter.com/BxzKtrHCyJ</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1595056842551484419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's SO ****ing good. Still probably the most underrated player on the team on a national level.

I know we've got McDuffie, Watson and Williams....but they really need to sign him to a new deal.

Easily the most underrated.

Nobody else is even close. The guy is a legit top 10 corner in this league, I'd even argue top 5, and I can't even remember the last time I heard his name mentioned by literally anyone in the media.

Collinsworth was heaping praise on goddamn Andrew Wylie a few weeks ago and never even mentioned Sneed. It's absurd. The guy is a must keep at almost any price.

Williams was targeted 3 times and receivers went 3/107 against him. Watson > Williams by far

Sneed will be extended, Gay and Thornhill will walk.

We have two legit corner talents out there with Sneed and McDuffie. Looking forward to the Spags defense annual late season turn around.

Sneed looks like a guy who's improved over last season. A real, legit step forward.

And when you put on the all-22 of McDuffie....good god that guy is every bit as sticky in the NFL as he was in college.

Sneed looks MUCH better than last year. Thought he had a dip last year but he's looked absolutely elite this. With McDuffie there's huge potential and versatility there to cover multiple WR types and schemes.

Williams looked average last night, I think he'll be feast or famine for awhile dependent on the match up. If he's anything above average that's a quality CB room and we have pretty good value even with a pay day for Sneed.

I still feel like that's Bolton.

Nobody ever talks about the guy but he's the key to our defense, imo

If you take out the bomb to Allen - which was a great all-pro WR play to get open, incredible throw and incredible catch - that's really not a bad night.

I'm a lot more interested to see if he's getting toasted because of lack of athleticism, which he's not. He was in Allen's hip pocket. Allen just made a great move on the sideline that Williams may never have seen before.

Give the guy some time to learn the game. I'm not ready to throw him out because Keenan Allen got the better of him on a big play.

I'd really like to see Gay and Bolton stay together as the cornerstones of the defense. And also keep Sneed. Maybe Vunch can make it happen.

Jones, Bolton and Sneed are the one guy at each level you have to keep if we want to continue to see this defense progress forward and keep getting better.

Jones has taken his game to another level this year, and if not for Micah Parsons, would probably be the front runner for DPOY.

Bolton is just unbelievably dependable. Always seems to get himself in the right spot. Always makes the tackle. Knows how to position people and lead. Trending towards being a better version of Derrick Johnson. Not as athletic, but a higher football IQ.

Sneed is the swiss army knife that HB used to be that makes Spags defense work and makes it the best version of itself. Without his versatility out there, we would lose a lot on matchups.

All 3 are essential going forward. The rest you can plug and replace and re-stock through the draft as necessary.

Extend Jones this off-season for 3 more years (could add a 4th voidable year), give Sneed the money he deserves with a new contract (HB's old contract?) and we can worry about extending Bolton the following off-season.

LOCK THOSE THREE DOWN.

Sneed is the swiss army knife that we HOPED Mathieu would be. Makes most of the tackles, fantastic blitzer and always good in coverage. HB lacked the tackling ability (or willingness) at the end of his time here and Sneed is a much better blitzer.

Yeah, I was mainly speaking to HB's first 2 years with us here, when he was effective in that role. Although he was never the blitzer that Sneed is.

Yep, those are the cornerstones.

Gay and Thornhill are plus players I'd like to keep around. Maybe someone like Saunders.

Lose Thornhill. Especially if it means we can keep Gay. Saunders but only if it's very reasonable. Far too up and down.

Gay is a plus payer, but i don't think he's shown enough yet to say he def needs a 2nd contract.

Would like to have seen another step forward for him this season ala Sneed or Bolton.

He's kinda still the same guy he was last season.

Think this is fair, but I'd prioritise over Saunders and Thornhill.

Here's the shit of what's likely to happen with Gay.

He's going to go somewhere for too much money, the team that signs him will regret it and the Chiefs will be worse for losing him as well.

He is just such a perfect complement to Bolton here. Those two guys HAVE to stay together. They are close friends, they have great on-field chemistry, they have matching strengths/weaknesses, they have mirrored personalities.

You can't ask for a better matched set. Gay will never mean as much to the team that signs him as he'd mean to the Chiefs but it also means that he's probably not WORTH as much as some other team will give him.

It's an irritating catch 22. I just really hope they figure out a way to lock those guys in for another 5-6 years past this season.

While there is a large gap between Gay to Bolton, Gay is still the second best LB we've had in recent years. While that probably says more about how thin we've been at the position overall, I would like Gay to stick around.

Agree with this. It's a shame KC doesn't have someone who can take Thornhill's job right now, and get him off the field.

You can’t keep Jones, Bolton, Gay and Sneed.

The cap math barely works with 3 of those guys.

Yep! You're exactly right. This happens in professional sports all the time

Remember how good Thornhill was before the injury? He was all over the field and hitting people like a ton of bricks. This is a perfect example of a player that just didn't recover from an ACL. Bummer

Don't we have like $100M+ cap space next year (minus Jones extension), and the cap should get a big bump next year?

gotta keep Bolton and Sneed...would love to keep Willie too

Not next year, in 2024 we do though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Such a dope moment - Chiefs CB L&#39;Jarius Sneed surprised his Mother with a new Audi SUV. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/ojU8prwnHM">pic.twitter.com/ojU8prwnHM</a></p>&mdash; Dante&#39; Jones (@Dantej21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dantej21/status/1632566508361490433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gay being a 2nd rounder hasn't ever had a big payday. Chiefs should def approach and see what they could do, even overpaying a bit to lock it up and buy some value.

To me Sneed is one of those glue players on the team you simply don't trade. Just like Bolton. They are essential to team success. Gay on the other hand can be replaced.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PFF tracks CB v WR matchups. This is L&#39;Jarius Sneed v WR1s past 4 weeks:<br><br>v Ridley: 5 tgts, 2 recs, 32 yds, 4 YAC<br>v Moore: 4 tgts, 1 rec, 3 yds, 4 YAC<br>v Wilson: 6 tgts, 3 rec, 24 yds, 3 YAC<br>v Jefferson: 3 tgts, 2 rec, 14 yds, 6 YAC<br><br>44% catch rate, &amp; only 17 YAC allowed on 8 recs</p>&mdash; Ron Kopp Jr. (@Ron_Kopp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ron_Kopp/status/1711426043754512574?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tyreek gonna be mad LMAO

Sneed is criminally underrated, not just by the mainstream media, but even by many of our fans. I personally feel he is a must resign. He's not going to be as easily replaceable as some people think, even with all the good young DBs we have.

I hope they find a way to keep him.

He is going to be so, so expensive, and we have a lot of young CB depth. I'd love to keep him too, but I don't think it's the way this team operates and suspect our drafting the last couple years has been in preparation for his exit.

It's been awesome watching him shadow 1's while kicking McDuffie into the slot though. I think it's probably the biggest reason for our improved defense this year.

I'm also in agreement that Sneed is very under-rated and should be a focus for Burt Veech to extend. That said, it's all about the money he is looking for. If Sneed wants the brinks truck like Chris Jones, point to the door. (This will most likely be the case)

After Sneed getting away with the helmet off no-call against the Vikings, and all of the social media outrage over it... I expect some revenge/make up calls by the NFL refs these next few games which target Sneed.
It will be interesting to see how Sneed reacts to the attention being on him.

Those numbers are ridiculous. Its not even benefiting off our pass rush, which has been wishy washy. Sneed is just blanketing these guys.

Id take Sneed over any of our Recievers. Send MVS on his way and pay LJ at all costs

Yep, unfortunately this will most likely be the case. Veach hit in the draft which gives us flexibility, which is great. Fans will slowly get used to the "process" as we will have to see some really good talent leave to have the money to field a team with no glaring weaknesses.

If you could get Jones signed, you could theoretically tag and trade Sneed.

We also need to take into account we could cut Justin Reid if it helps keep Sneed. Reid has been decent but if you have to choose only one guy to pay in the secondary, it has to be Sneed. Reid is due $14.5 million and you can save $11.5 million letting him go. No way is he worth that kind of cap hit.

This seems like the way to make it happen.

Dumb question but has the time for giving Sneed an extension passed, or could we offer him an extension now? He would probably take some discount for the stability/chance of injury this year. I can't remember if we or other teams ever extend players like that mid-season though.

So both Sneed and McDuffie are better than Surtain? ROFL

They absolutely can extend him now.

This year? It's not even close.

They could extend him, he would have no interest in it at this point being that he's so close to FA.

I think I was the lone person a while back in a draft forum poll suggesting that safety be our top priority next year. I think you have to keep Sneed, and then you invest a high pick on a safety if we can't keep our current stable. But Sneed has to stay.

My only concern with him is concussion history, but aside from that, I have a huge cornerback crush on him.

It's hard not to love the guy, but you're right, his playing style lends itself to be a risky resigning. It's the sad truth for a guy like him.

I'm not sure where they see Cooper in the future, he could be your potential Reid replacement. Then you still have Cook and you might be able to keep Edwards for a reasonable rate as well. One way or another, you're going to have to spend picks in the secondary again next year, so they'll have to decide which way they want to go.

He's got knee issues and he's one injury away from losing a lot of guaranteed money. Also if he keeps playing like this we might franchise tag him.

Sneed is also a guy who can transition to safety later in his career.

Man of all the things to worry about, losing Willie Gay isn't one of them. Not saying he isn't good, just not a priority for roster construction.

Just for the math alone, Reid will be gone without a restructure/extension.

That's a risk he's gonna be willing to take at this point.

So why does PFF have him graded so low this year?

It’s 3.5 dead money 10.7. Cap savings pre June 1

Post June 1 is the sane

I can see 2 things that would contribute: 1/ they’re not taking into consideration that he has the hardest job on the field. ie, he’s getting graded traveling with Justin Jefferson as he would be if he were covering Skyy Moore. and 2/ he does have a bunch of penalties this year.

Because PFF's algorithm is trash, as is its owner's assessment of pretty much everything.

PFF scored Sneed as better againt the Jets, both overall and specifically in coverage, than the Vikings. This despite, as far as I can tell, scoring him as performing better against the Jets in just about every coverage measure - fewer penalties, shorter longest yardage against, lower % of targets against received, lower passer rating against etc etc. So it's almost like they did factor in the opponent (i mean, they didn't, it's just that nothing makes much sense in their DB scores).

It looks like they're marking him down mainly on his tackling and how he's played the run.

I think the worst thing about their scoring of DBs, and I doubt there's a way round it, is context. If Sneed loses a step on a guy, or misjudges an angle and gives up, say, 8 yards, or a 1st down, or 15 yards, he gets dinged. Fair enough, but if he chases that guy down and prevents a 40yrd touchdown to win the game, that's sort of important and in my book a "good" or at least "good enough" play, not a mistake. It's why you can see what feels like a massive play by Sneed what feels like every game, and yet he gets a s***y score because he gave up a load of short yardage stuff.

SNEED BROKE HIM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vikings officially have placed WR Justin Jefferson on IR.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1712155961345851611?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Needs to do the same to Tyreek.

DB has a right to his spot on the field

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">a feeding frenzy <a href="https://t.co/loq6ZDEh3s">pic.twitter.com/loq6ZDEh3s</a></p>&mdash; Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1711875776713474362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It was a pulled hammy, dude. Sneed wasn’t even touching him when he pulled it.

So I realize it's always going to be hard. But at least for man coverage, you think they could take a little consideration of whether you are covering a Tyreek or a Skyy and whether you're on an island or have safety help.

Cumulative

Absolutely agree. I like Gay but if it comes down to Sneed vs him that's an easy call. Sneed is the shit and only gonna get better. He could be the premier guy at his position in another year or two.

Sneed already is the premier guy at his position.

Sneed can do that with a threatening glare.

Why do you hate fun?

Well ACHSHUUAALLY

Only IF he is playing the ball.

Neither guy saw the ball as it was 6 yards inside... Sneed wasn't pulling, turning or grabbing... It was the proper no call.

I really hate those Twitter/Facebook level posts

Why does anyone give a **** about PFF? They're making up grades on the fly for clicks. It's garbage.

And Waddle.