I believe so too.

Nobody wants to fix the offensive line for the forseeable future more than I do, and I've taken some heat here for it.

But no, I would not go OL in rounds 1 and 2 unless the draft shakes out very different than any mock I've seen.

OT talent is still there in round two and into round 3 with say, a Walker Little who is first round talent but coming off an injury and a covid opt-out.

DE talent goes from potential 10 sack guys to solid but unspectacular by round 3.

OG/C talent is all there through round 4, and so is WR talent.

Now, maybe that's not how it plays out at all; but at least at this early point, that should kind of tell you where we should target guys, which guys, and where we'd need to take them.

I'm no cap geek, so I have no clue what's realistic, but I'd start with trying to negotiate team-friendly deals to keep Breeland and Sorensen. If they don't want to play ball, tell them to piss off. But give a little extra effort to keep Breeland. Wave goodbye to Ward, Robinson, Kpass, Okafor and Watkins. Unless they can somehow work out a very team-friendly deal for Watkins.

If they lose Breeland and Ward, I'd take a corner pretty early in the draft. If they lose both Watkins and Robinson, draft a WR or find a value FA that will at least be dependable. Draft OL and DE with the first two picks. Prepare for the worst as far as OT goes. Whether through FA or the draft, find an OT that will at least be serviceable while Fisher is out.

That is shitty. Who you gonna have playing LT? Fisher is a minimum of 9 months after surgery. That means the earliest is going to be mid-November. So then we either got someone surprisingly after the draft or Veech misplays this offseason.

Nah. There's the first round then there's a few other lucky ways. If you want one, probably gonna have to spend a 1.

Followed by a question mark.

It's called an interrogative. Look it up

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Dude, you're being an ass. Take a deep breath and relax for a bit.

I don’t think there was ever confirmation of an offer, just interest.

Won't have to get that high up to get a good one.

Of course those needs are there.

It comes down to this for me though: If we have a wall at o-line but few playmakers, Mahomes still has a chance to win us the game.

As the Super Bowl showed though, If we have elite playmakers but Mahomes is getting pressured on 50% of his dropbacks, then we have zero chance to win.

So draft Pass rushers and receivers, but the #1 need has to be offensive line.

I like Amari Rodgers in the 3rd and maybe an Austin Watkins in the 4th or 5th.

Who are you trading for and what are you giving up?

October would be 9 months.

Probably a good plan unless there's somebody you can't pass up at 31.

Yeah, I'd probably try to trade down and get another 3rd or something.

Like Luke Joeckel, Mike Williams, or Robert Gallery?

Picks at every level bust including in the top 5.

That's why you try to have as many of them as you can and don't put too many eggs in one basket.

Mecole Hardman sucks and Nick Allegreti embarrassed himself in the Super Bowl.

I get your point though.

We have 2 elite pass catchers already.

We have 2 elite pass rushers already.

We don't currently have shit on the roster that would qualify as a healthy offensive lineman that's anything other than average or slightly above average.

Those are the questions.

All those great receivers we draft aren't going to mean shit when Mahomes gets killed because the o-line sucks.

Pretty sure I read on the Athletic he didn't have surgery until February.

I just hope people realize that Veach and Andy aren’t going to go out and draft stout offensive linemen and change his offense to run the ball 25 times a game. That shit isn’t happening.

We have two contributing WR's that are free agents. We have ZERO defensive ends opposite Clark.

They're still needs even if they aren't as dire as OL.

You don't go into the draft thinking you're going to draft one or two positions and only those positions. It doesn't work that way. Thankfully, the Chiefs won't approach it that way either.

Why do you assume the line is going to suck?

absolutely.

I think we could probably agree though, that it's time to move OL up in priority from 7th round/UDFA development project level talent and into guys you can project as legitimate NFL starters. That's going to mean investing more significant draft capital.

Yep.

People are setting themselves up to be really disappointed this offseason.

C'mon man. Who you lining up for game one right now?

It ain't pretty.

Rashawn Slater. I think he's damn near prototypical for what you'd want in this offense. If he goes top 5, then that's the way it goes. But if the QBs, WRs, and defensive talent garner most of the attention early and he slides down the board go up and get him.

I don't think anybody wants that.

There are multiple people on this board that want that.

ABSOLUTELY.

I don't disagree AT ALL with the idea of grabbing offensive linemen high in the draft.

In more than one of my mocks, I took 2 in the first 3 rounds. In my latest mock, I took a tackle and center first and second (after trading down). I'm not opposed with spending resources on linemen as long as they do it wisely.

The ONLY thing I'm opposed to is this idea that we HAVE to do this or we HAVE to do that. There's a dozen ways to skin this cat and I think they've done plenty enough to earn our trust, no matter what happens.

You honestly think they'll make zero moves?

I don't assume it's going to suck because I think Veach will address it.

It would suck in the ridiculous hypothetical where we do nothing.

Well that's just silly.

I would like to be able to run the ball effectively to force defenses to play honest, but that's not the same thing as becoming a Martyball offense.

There are people here that want 5 new offensive linemen. They want a line that doesn't include Wylie OR LDT. They want us to draft a LT AND a RT.

Some of these wants just aren't realistic.

Exactly. I think the team needs have been spelled out pretty well in this thread and the others. Take the BPA in those three positions in the respective rounds, finagle the damn cap, make a couple moves in the FA.

You have been spot on the entire time.

I must have missed where people are asking to hand the ball off 25 times a game with the best player in the world at QB?

You’re putting this into a box and trying to attack needs in the wrong way. FA is about trying to fill needs which I think Veach will acquire at least 1 OL.

We are getting LDT back who was decent (worlds better than Wylie) and we already have Niang to develop.

Imagine if Tyreek or Kelce get hurt and you have no weapons? And that DL? We all know it needs another stud.
Just take the best best players available FFS.

Who was saying that?

If Slater should slide to say around #15, yeah, you probably have to explore what it would take to get up there and try to make that trade.

There's a lot of talk he's going to go ahead of Sewell now though and both of them will go in the top 6 picks.

After those two, you're talking about trading 2 first round picks for a guy like Darrisaw or maybe even Mayfield (whose stock is all over the place right now). That price is too steep IMO.

It's more that people think they're going to completely overhaul the offensive line in one offseason.

It's not going to happen.

How many teams out there can claim that they have above average offensive linemen at every position of the line?

It’s not ****ing happening.

LDT is going to start. Niang will probably start. My guess is Allegretti or Rankin will probably start.

We’re not replacing every ****ing position along the line.

I think there's no way in hell Veach does nothing.

I fully expect he takes an OT in a deep and talented OT draft and probably an IOL somewhere in the middle rounds too. And I expect either re-signing a cheap vet or two or bringing them in as insurance policies.

Again, point out the posters that have said to replace all 5 positions on the OL. I keep seeing this as some sort of rebuttal yet no one has actually said that.

Dude. There are legit people here who want us to take 4-5 offensive linemen in this draft. I’m not going to go quote all of them.

What I’ve yet to see is someone saying don’t draft offensive linemen at all. Nobody has said that.

I'm not going to go spend an hour searching for every comment but I have absolutely seen comments like:

"If they bring Wylie back, I'm gonna be so pissed. Plus, LDT sucks!"

Well, one of those two guys is going to be a starter next year. Maybe BOTH to start the season. That's what I'm talking about.

Put it this way:

If they think they're moving on from Fisher, they might look to draft an OT high or trade for one. If they do that, they won't be drafting a RT, they'll probably be putting Niang there or signing a stopgap. Which means possibly Wylie or LDT or both will be starting because they also still need a center.

If they decide to keep Fisher, they probably won't be trading up for a tackle. If they take one at #31 or #63, they will probably play RT or guard, depending on Niang. At that point, you probably won't see Wylie in the mix (or maybe LDT depending).

These are dominoes and they all fall into place together. They're not just going to whip up a new offensive line overnight.

We can end the OLine discussion with this.

LMAO

Do you know what a complete overhaul is? You were just arguing for it, and saying it was realistic yesterday.

I'll go copy paste what I meant by that since it's apparent you didn't read it. Give me a bit.

We need another OT and center. Then the rest can be draft picks and value vets to further depth and competition.

I agree.

In my ideal world I think you'd like to make a move to find your long term LT in the draft, and hope Niang can be that guy at RT. Maybe draft a center if it's the right guy, and then hope LDT comes back in top form and Allegretti takes the next step in year 2. Maybe find a decent guy to bring in at vet minimum to take some of the pressure off the rookies.

I think you have a pretty serviceable o-line if that's the case. The problem is that is a SUPER green offensive line, but with Fisher and Schwartz out, Reiter gone and Wylie, Remmers awful, it's probably about the best you can do.

Just rambling, i'm not a draft guy, but I think two picks should go to o-line. Everything else, yeah receiver and pass rush and probably a linebacker.

Why sure you can. Plenty of interior OL talent is currently slated to be available this Offseason. Scherff and Thuney are upgrades to the G position and Linsley would be a huge get at C. Sign one of them and draft a cornerstone LT by trading up and you're already nearly there, especially if LDT and Niang can hold down the right side.

Injury settlements to both Fisher and Schwartz. Extension for Mathieu. Restructures for both Mahomes and Jones if necessary. One IOL at market value won't cripple the team, although if you really believe Fisher is going to be able to come back then extend him instead and sign Linsley. That way we can play a little musical chairs when Fisher returns and Niang can take a G spot while the rookie T switches to RT for the foreseeable future.

Although it'd be REALLY nice if the Kelce rumors out of Philly are actually true and we could sign him to a deal a bit below market value.

Also....Reid isn’t going to start all rookies on the offensive line. So even if we draft 3 of them....don’t get pissed when they all don’t start.

I literally said you can’t completely overhaul the OL with 5 new starters and you argued that you could.

To be fair, I would classify replacing 3 or more starters as a "complete overhaul". I think it's fairly likely we'll be seeing three starters on the line in week 1 that didn't start in the Super Bowl.

well there's a big difference in my opinion between a healthy LDT and Wylie.

In my opinion, LDT can be a starting level player on an acceptably good offensive line.

Wylie, in my opinion, is a player that you have to try to cover for. While that's normal for a back-up level player, I don't think that should be an acceptable standard for a starter.

And while I would certainly draft an OT (and do so probably within the first two rounds judging by the mocks, and yes, it's early, and yes we don't know how it will shake out and no, I don't want to just draft anyone because I'm not an idiot) I would also try to nab a crusty old vet chasing a ring on a cheap deal to plug in and hold the fort until A)said rookie is ready to play or B)Fisher returns.
I think it's foolhardy however, to assume that Fisher will be 100% as soon as he's cleared to play. That seems very unrealistic. This is where a Jason Peters (yes he's OLD) would be a smart and dirt cheap pick-up.

I fully expect that Schwartz is done. I don't think it's safe to assume anything else other than he's taken his last snaps.

Not hard when most of them were ****ing backups.

Bull ****ing shit, you're the one that responded to me last night and actually acquiesced that my ideal plan wasn't all that unrealistic. You just didn't think we had the money to sign a free agent IOL at market value.

Jesus ****ing Christ, READ. I SAID ONE OF THEM. Ideally Linsley and in fantasy land Kelce if he's cut.

This is my wish list also. What good are more offensive weapons when Mahomes is running for his life within a second of the center snapping the ball? He's going to get seriously hurt soon if we don't give him some protection.

Me:

You can’t completely overhaul the OL with 5 new starters

You:

Yes you can.

You (today):

I’m not arguing for overhauling the entire OL.


And no, it not realistic to expect to sign one of the top free agents on the OL.

Well sure, but Schwartz, Fisher, Osemele won't be there week 1 either. So it's not like it's gonna be just a case of the people that got hurt retaking their spots. They're gonna be bringing in several new guys.

I think Schwartz is done and they'll get his money back via settlement.

I think a lot of people are just assuming that Fisher is going to be gone and they're going to get that $12M in cap space.

Let me be perfectly clear:

That is NOT happening.

First, I don't think the Chiefs will even WANT to get rid of him. He was their very first pick, the #1 overall, and has done the team friendly every time they've asked him. They're not going to cut him, they're going to rehab him and bring him back.

And even if we get past what the Chiefs want, it matters what Fisher wants. They can't cut him. They would have to reach an agreement with him on the injury and if he doesn't want to play ball, they're stuck. The NFLPA will absolutely have his back if they try and it would be a mess that would make any momentum gained by getting rid of him moot.

Yeah, it's really disingenuous to say that when you actually understood what I meant by completely overhaul last night. I have never, not once said all 5 starters would be new.

I did read and thus deleted my post with a reason of "can't read".

ROFL

Scherff is going to get more than $15 million a season.

LMAO All good. I'm just venting the frustration of this Super Bowl loss.

I know man. Trust me, it's not personal. We good, always will be. ;)

How is this disingenuous?

We're going to sing a top 5 center in this offseason for more than $10M AAV.

His name is Austin Reiter.

ROFL

I could see 3 new starters on the OL. It's probably needed. Although I think if you added a really good C and a solid G, it would go a long way.

Compared to Wylie....Reiter deserves to be in the HOF.

The issue is that at least one "new" starter is likely already on the team in Niang.

And would you consider LDT a new starter even though he didn't play?

I think a little of this is weird situation/injury issues/covid opt outs.

I think it's entirely likely that at least 4 of the 5 guys that played this Super Bowl will not be starting in week 1.

I think we can assume LDT is probably starting, for example.
I think we can assume based on free agency projections Reiter won't be back.
I think it would be a mistake for Wylie to be in our starting 5.
It's possible they bring back Remmers to start at RT but that wasn't even the plan in 2020; I doubt that he's penciled in to start there in '21. He sure as hell isn't the plan at LT.

The only guy that MIGHT be penciled in is Alegretti. As a starter I mean.

Lol are you just ignoring where it says LDT and Niang?

There are 2 guys on the roster that we have no clue how they value them and at what positions.

Rankin and Niang.

I honestly don't know what to think about center. It seems inconceivable that Reiter gets paid enough that they don't want him back. Hudson was great and Morse was pretty good - you could see why they got the checks and why the Chiefs didn't want to foot that bill.

But if Reiter gets a fat contract and the Chiefs let him walk? In his case, it almost seems like exactly what they SHOULD do.

The problem then is that they almost HAVE to draft a center because signing somebody cheaper than Reiter means a downgrade from a guy that already wasn't great to begin with.

They didn't play Rankin all year, then played him wih the backups, then nothing.

I'd say we have a good idea how they value him.

I'm really interested in how the Justin Britt visit went. If he's healthy and good to go, that would seem to be a really good and cheap option for an upgrade.

I don't care what PFF says, Reiter is below average.

You're gonna either have to have a rookie mid rounder somehere or a cheap FA. Thats why I'd sign Osemele.

I'd draft one too. And let Wylie compete.

Best man wins.

You've almost got to pencil in Niang as a starter though, right?